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Gregorak's coaching cost Griz the win versus Poly

I don't know why I feel the need to engage in this conversation. This is merely stirring the pot for pot stirring sake.

First whether you want to throw Gregorak or Stitt under the bus, whatever.

Secondly, in my coaching career I have met a crap ton of former football players at many universities that have the understanding of football of a three year old. I don't know that it has much merit honestly. If that is the group that people run with, I'll take it with a grain of salt. Just one man's opinion.

Thirdly, offense and defense philosophy and who runs it is like our taste of politicians. The proof in their quality is a careful and objective observance of the issues at hand.

The fact of the matter is there are a lot of people who are going to gravitate to throwing Gregorak under the bus. You can complain about the choice not to play squat corner on the last drive, but his choice in my estimation was valid. Could have their been an alignment adjustment by the OLB's? Don't know, but I know they didn't want Brown attack the middle of the field with his feet. String it to the sideline seems, while it stops the clock doesn't allow for the 40 yard chunk he was capable of taking with his feet if the linebackers don't play inside out.

Moreover, I don't know how you allow vertical releases by receivers and hope the safety gets over the top of it. That is counter intuitive in that situation. Let the corners cover the vertical release. That comes with a draw back which is there isn't an extra edge contain guy there. Other parts of the game, those corners would have been willing to come off those routes to make the play. In this situation, not sure it was that easy.


Either you commit to forcing Cal-Poly to throw it and taking away the run, or you do the inverse with the knowledge that cal-poly doesn't have timeouts. In this situation, because of what Poly does, I don't think you can have it both ways.

You either force the 50 yard field goal or give up a quick and easy march down the field. Don't know that many coaches in that situation would have done much different. Maybe a few tactical adjustments here and there, but in my estimation really hard to criticize his deployment of the secondary there.
 
The defense did its job on Saturday, and did a decent job on the last drive. Honestly, the odds were in the favor for the Griz by forcing Cal Poly's freshman kicker to make a 48-yard field goal under intense pressure. Hats off to him for performing in the clutch. If he had missed the field goal, we'd all be dancing right now celebrating our 2-0 record.
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
'68griz said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Please, I am the rare source of knowledge and reason is a would of fructose. Why don't you try making a good football post, Eriul? Oh, we got it, it would be like a term paper for you.
OMG. It's nice YOU believe in you, because no one else does.

I hang with real football fans, including former Griz players, who have objectivity.

False. You hang out on eGriz trying to piss people off.
 
CDAGRIZ said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
'68griz said:
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Please, I am the rare source of knowledge and reason is a would of fructose. Why don't you try making a good football post, Eriul? Oh, we got it, it would be like a term paper for you.
OMG. It's nice YOU believe in you, because no one else does.

I hang with real football fans, including former Griz players, who have objectivity.

False. You hang out on eGriz trying to piss people off.

Just heard of 3 parents dissing AtlG1 this week. They think he's an idiot.
 
Please Playa. Give us all a break! You are so freakin' obsessed with me! So, you want us to believe that you engage parents of players to discuss me? I'm very honored to occupy so much of your time, with all of the athletic department folks and with parents of players, but you lie like Hillary.
 
get'em_griz said:
The defense did its job on Saturday, and did a decent job on the last drive. Honestly, the odds were in the favor for the Griz by forcing Cal Poly's freshman kicker to make a 48-yard field goal under intense pressure. Hats off to him for performing in the clutch. If he had missed the field goal, we'd all be dancing right now celebrating our 2-0 record.

Stupid post. If we don't get out-coached, that freshman FG would have never gotten on the field.
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
get'em_griz said:
The defense did its job on Saturday, and did a decent job on the last drive. Honestly, the odds were in the favor for the Griz by forcing Cal Poly's freshman kicker to make a 48-yard field goal under intense pressure. Hats off to him for performing in the clutch. If he had missed the field goal, we'd all be dancing right now celebrating our 2-0 record.

Stupid post. If the Griz offense makes it on 4th down, that freshman FG would have never gotten on the field.

FIFY
 
We can question the defense all we want on that last possession. However, that same defense did put the GRIZ in position to come out with a victory for rest of the game. Another thing that is being taken for granted. We all like the idea of having so many plays to wear down a defense. Well guess what, Cal Poly accomplished that too! I think they ran 88 plays.

So how can we agree the number of plays ran by the GRIZ will wear down a defense, but the number of plays ran by the opposing team would not wear our defense down? We cannot have it both ways. In a sense the GRIZ got a taste of our own medicine.

Had anyone told me the GRIZ would hold Poly to 20 points, I would have thought the GRIZ definitely would win that game.

Overall, a great defensive effort!
 
mtgrizrule said:
We can question the defense all we want on that last possession. However, that same defense did put the GRIZ in position to come out with a victory for rest of the game. Another thing that is being taken for granted. We all like the idea of having so many plays to wear down a defense. Well guess what, Cal Poly accomplished that too! I think they ran 88 plays.

So how can we agree the number of plays ran by the GRIZ will wear down a defense, but the number of plays ran by the opposing team would not wear our defense down? We cannot have it both ways. In a sense the GRIZ got a taste of our own medicine.

Had anyone told me the GRIZ would hold Poly to 20 points, I would have thought the GRIZ definitely would win that game.

Overall, a great defensive effort!

Right about Poly giving us a dose of our own medicine. I laughed when Stitt bragged before the season about his offense wearing down the defense. Yea, it works if the offense can move the ball, instead of going 3-and-out (4-and-out in Stitt's case!).

Regarding the defense, I agreed many times that our defense played VERY WELL against Poly. Hell, holding them to 6 points in the second half was a great accomplishment. My criticism is strictly how Ty screwed the pooch during the last 37 seconds.
 
I said this before, the offense had a chance to win the game against NDSU and did; the defense had a chance to win the game against Poly and didn't. Stitt's offense performed under pressure when it had to, Ty's defense didn't. Seattle's offense had a chance to win the last Superbowl and failed, NE's defense had a chance to win it and did. Nothing that happened before those games' last series mattered once the final series began. This is not a blame game, its just acknowledging successful and unsuccessful opportunities to win games. Champions win those opportunities.
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
get'em_griz said:
The defense did its job on Saturday, and did a decent job on the last drive. Honestly, the odds were in the favor for the Griz by forcing Cal Poly's freshman kicker to make a 48-yard field goal under intense pressure. Hats off to him for performing in the clutch. If he had missed the field goal, we'd all be dancing right now celebrating our 2-0 record.

Stupid post. If we don't get out-coached, that freshman FG would have never gotten on the field.

Thank you.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
I said this before, the offense had a chance to win the game against NDSU and did; the defense had a chance to win the game against Poly and didn't. Stitt's offense performed under pressure when it had to, Ty's defense didn't. Seattle's offense had a chance to win the last Superbowl and failed, NE's defense had a chance to win it and did. Nothing that happened before those games' last series mattered once the final series began. This is not a blame game, its just acknowledging successful and unsuccessful opportunities to win games. Champions win those opportunities.

So going for it on 4th down to seal the game and failing is the "offense performing under pressure"?
 
mtgrizrule said:
Had anyone told me the GRIZ would hold Poly to 20 points, I would have thought the GRIZ definitely would win that game.

Overall, a great defensive effort!

I'm going to guess that a Stitt-coached team doesn't lose many games when the D only gives up 20.
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
I said this before, the offense had a chance to win the game against NDSU and did; the defense had a chance to win the game against Poly and didn't. Stitt's offense performed under pressure when it had to, Ty's defense didn't. Seattle's offense had a chance to win the last Superbowl and failed, NE's defense had a chance to win it and did. Nothing that happened before those games' last series mattered once the final series began. This is not a blame game, its just acknowledging successful and unsuccessful opportunities to win games. Champions win those opportunities.

A good post IMO. In reality, both teams played poorly at times during that game. Both teams had their chances to put the other team away. Poly ended up coming up with the win. As the road team in Washington /Griz Stadium, that's kinda impressive......
 
grizindabox said:
horribilisfan8184 said:
I said this before, the offense had a chance to win the game against NDSU and did; the defense had a chance to win the game against Poly and didn't. Stitt's offense performed under pressure when it had to, Ty's defense didn't. Seattle's offense had a chance to win the last Superbowl and failed, NE's defense had a chance to win it and did. Nothing that happened before those games' last series mattered once the final series began. This is not a blame game, its just acknowledging successful and unsuccessful opportunities to win games. Champions win those opportunities.

So going for it on 4th down to seal the game and failing is the "offense performing under pressure"?

There's an old maxim in tort law on accident causation called "last clear chance" PR can define it for you if you want. The defense had the last chance to win this game and didn't. We got out-coached on that series. Nothing that happened before Cal Poly took the ball on that last drive matters. That last drive is where the game was on the line. There's no "what ifs" when looking at what a team did when the game was on the line. I was expecting the defense to do whatever it took to keep the ball in the field of play. Didn't happen, except when Brown kept on the 4th and 3, knowing the clock would stop with a first down. When the 1995 title game was on the line DD drove the team into filed goal range and AL made the kick. After the game neither turned around to say anything about what if's on prior series that should have happened on offense or defense so they didn't have to perform on the last drive to win the game. The "what if" crowd comes out if the last chance fails to get the win to spread blame around. None of that matters, the defense simply didn't win the game when it had the chance to do so.
 
AZGrizFan said:
mtgrizrule said:
Had anyone told me the GRIZ would hold Poly to 20 points, I would have thought the GRIZ definitely would win that game.

Overall, a great defensive effort!

I'm going to guess that a Stitt-coached team doesn't lose many games when the D only gives up 20.

If D holds opponent to 20 points and O gains 456 yards (something like that) of total offense - that's a nice recipe for a win - CP being one exception.
 
Mean old growler is at it again. If he makes it to a Griz game can you imagine sitting next to or close to him?

Mean spirited as he is, he is a character and posts the most thought provoking ideas on E-griz. Far from the smelly msu trolls that muck up the board. Nope, I like the old Geezer and his outlandish posts. I always wonder if he watches our games from a TV or if he actually attends the games. In any event he rubs 97.3% of the Griz fans the wrong way. Every once and a while he finds a starving fan to agree with him. I just hope he does not have to move to Ban Land! Eh Growls?
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
Please Playa. Give us all a break! You are so freakin' obsessed with me! So, you want us to believe that you engage parents of players to discuss me? I'm very honored to occupy so much of your time, with all of the athletic department folks and with parents of players, but you lie like Hillary.

No, I didn't talk to any parents about you. I was told that multiple parents had told other people what they think of you. Can you not read or comprehend?
 
Atlanta Griz1 said:
get'em_griz said:
The defense did its job on Saturday, and did a decent job on the last drive. Honestly, the odds were in the favor for the Griz by forcing Cal Poly's freshman kicker to make a 48-yard field goal under intense pressure. Hats off to him for performing in the clutch. If he had missed the field goal, we'd all be dancing right now celebrating our 2-0 record.

Stupid post. If we don't get out-coached, that freshman FG would have never gotten on the field.

Stupid post. We didn't get outcoached. CP played well, and a frosh FG kicker hit one from 49.
 
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