Gregorak's coaching cost Griz the win versus Poly

[Hammer]

wolfman, buddy, the clock stops to move the chains on a first down which is what would happen if you don't force the qb to pitch the ball. Everyone except the griz coaches from the 90's who were torched by Georgia Southern knows this. Brint is right on this one for sure. Brown would have eaten up big chunks on keepers in a real hurry if he wasn't forced to pitch the ball.

Oh Bullsh*t! He didn't gain more than 5 yards on any carry the entire second half. Why would he suddenly become Michael Vick. I thought you were smarter than this. Obviously not.

If the player assigned to mark Brown had decided to jump wide to stop the pitchman from going out of bounds, Brown would have cut up field for big yards. You really don't understand the game, do you? If you had ever played football, you would understand basics like this. I have never heard of a team deciding to just defend the sideline--and letting the other team's qb and running back run straight up field for big yardage. Seems like a dumb strategy to me.

It is a dumb strategy. Anybody that played the game and tried to defend the option will understand this. Its still gap assignment football, no matter what point of the game you are in. I wouldn't expect a poster who's claim to athletic fame is playing intramural baseball to grasp that!

 

[horribilisfan8184]

And any DC should have thoroughly scouted their 1 min offense, seen their proclivity to pass or pitch to get the sideline clock stop and figured out how to defense that tendency. Brown at least should have been flattened every running play that drive.

 

[signedbewildered]

And any DC should have thoroughly scouted their 1 min offense, seen their proclivity to pass or pitch to get the sideline clock stop and figured out how to defense that tendency. Brown at least should have been flattened every running play that drive.

Well, ya, simple as that. :roll:

 

[grizcountry420]

Ty had a good game plan against Cal-Poly. Otherwise, they may have scored 30 more points.

I think some on here are forgetting Cal Poly practices their 2 minute drill as well. They didn't run to the edge every time on that drive. Cal Poly did what they needed to.

Cal Poly's last drive, they had to spike the ball once to stop the clock. Besides that, they ran to the edge everytime to stop the clock and there was nobody there to force them back into the field..

 

[mtgrizrule]

I admit it, I was and still am disappointed in the inability of the defense to tackle them in bounds just 1 time in that last drive. I felt we should have played our DE's wider, and take our chances on our DT, LB's, and Safety's making the tackles. Especially with Gamboa's speed, and the great game Van Ackeren had tackling in that game. I would have liked our chances a lot more forcing them to the middle than helping them out in not containing the outside. I'd take Gamboa, Kose, Van Ackeren, and Yamen Sanders being able to tackle their RB's and QB 1 on 1 anytime. The clock should have been our best friend in their final drive. Our defense did not take advantage of it. Credit to Poly for having the faith and awareness to do what they did. In that sense, ATL has a legit point. I know some coaches who would have lined up the DE's as wide as possible, and have them bust ass toward each sideline after the snap, just to keep their RB's and QB inbounds. There was no need to create loss of yards with the time left on the clock, no timeouts, and them not being a good passing team. The main objective was to keep them in bounds!!! The GRIZ did not do that.

I will not go as far as saying it cost the GRIZ the game. It was just one part of many things that contributed to the loss. There was a lot of things on Special teams, defense, and offense which cost the GRIZ the game. To be honest, had the GRIZ capitalized in the 1st half, the defense would have never been in the position to begin with. Yes, some of the accountability does need to be put on Ty and his defense on that last drive. It is a shame an otherwise great defensive effort overall resulted in a loss. Had anyone told me the defense would have only given up 20 points, the offense have over 450 yards, I would have thought the GRIZ would have won going away by at least 10 points.

Small miscues by defense, offense, and special teams cost the GRIZ the game. As for our CB's, I do feel at that stage of the game, their only responsibility would be to keep WR's from beating the defense deep. They should not have had any responsibility at or near the LOS to defending the edges on the run.

Live and learn, the GRIZ will be just fine. I have faith in this staff and players. I expect the GRIZ to make a huge statement against Liberty!!!!

 

[PlayerRep]

Ty had a good game plan against Cal-Poly. Otherwise, they may have scored 30 more points.

I think some on here are forgetting Cal Poly practices their 2 minute drill as well. They didn't run to the edge every time on that drive. Cal Poly did what they needed to.

Cal Poly's last drive, they had to spike the ball once to stop the clock. Besides that, they ran to the edge everytime to stop the clock and there was nobody there to force them back into the field..

For anyone who actually cares about the facts, CP ran to edge 3 of the 11 plays on the drive.

420, how would you have caused the runners to get tackled in-bounds? What defense? What defensive formation?

 

[Hammer]

Ty had a good game plan against Cal-Poly. Otherwise, they may have scored 30 more points.

I think some on here are forgetting Cal Poly practices their 2 minute drill as well. They didn't run to the edge every time on that drive. Cal Poly did what they needed to.

Cal Poly's last drive, they had to spike the ball once to stop the clock. Besides that, they ran to the edge everytime to stop the clock and there was nobody there to force them back into the field..

Pick your poison. You run the risk of getting gashed hard up the middle if you do that.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

PR. That sounds like a great question to ask in pregame planning sessions.

 

[PlayerRep]

I admit it, I was and still am disappointed in the inability of the defense to tackle them in bounds just 1 time in that last drive. I felt we should have played our DE's wider, and take our chances on our DT, LB's, and Safety's making the tackles. Especially with Gamboa's speed, and the great game Van Ackeren had tackling in that game. I would have liked our chances a lot more forcing them to the middle than helping them out in not containing the outside. I'd take Gamboa, Kose, Van Ackeren, and Yamen Sanders being able to tackle their RB's and QB 1 on 1 anytime. The clock should have been our best friend in their final drive. Our defense did not take advantage of it. Credit to Poly for having the faith and awareness to do what they did. In that sense, ATL has a legit point. I know some coaches who would have lined up the DE's as wide as possible, and have them bust ass toward each sideline after the snap, just to keep their RB's and QB inbounds. There was no need to create loss of yards with the time left on the clock, no timeouts, and them not being a good passing team. The main objective was to keep them in bounds!!! The GRIZ did not do that.

I will not go as far as saying it cost the GRIZ the game. It was just one part of many things that contributed to the loss. There was a lot of things on Special teams, defense, and offense which cost the GRIZ the game. To be honest, had the GRIZ capitalized in the 1st half, the defense would have never been in the position to begin with. Yes, some of the accountability does need to be put on Ty and his defense on that last drive. It is a shame an otherwise great defensive effort overall resulted in a loss. Had anyone told me the defense would have only given up 20 points, the offense have over 450 yards, I would have thought the GRIZ would have won going away by at least 10 points.

Small miscues by defense, offense, and special teams cost the GRIZ the game. As for our CB's, I do feel at that stage of the game, their only responsibility would be to keep WR's from beating the defense deep. They should not have had any responsibility at or near the LOS to defending the edges on the run.

Live and learn, the GRIZ will be just fine. I have faith in this staff and players. I expect the GRIZ to make a huge statement against Liberty!!!!

CP ran the ball wide on 3 of its 11 plays in the drive? What would you have done on the other 8 plays--just let CP throw the ball downfield, or run downfield? Do you not think that if UM started lining guys up wide and out of position, that CP would not have seen that and adjusted?

You think "small miscues" by the offense was part of what cost UM the game? How about the big ones? A costly fumble deep in CP territory. 3 interceptions. Lots of dropped balls by receivers, including an early critical one on 4th and 5. A huge holding penalty on a play that would have won the game for UM. Failure to pick up a yard on 4th and 1. I don't fault or question Stitt's decision to go for it on 4th and 1, but a 25 yard punt at that point would have probably won the game for UM. Gregorak's defense kept UM in the game, and almost won the game for UM with the safety.

 

[Hammer]

Do you not think that if UM started lining guys up wide and out of position, that CP would not have seen that and adjusted?

BAM!!! Discussion over.

 

[markson161]

Defense held NDSU to 7 second half points.Cal Poly to 6 and put the Griz in the lead. Defense didn't lose the game

 

[horribilisfan8184]

You guys have obviously never played the game of bowling. The guy who is your anchorman is there because he can pull out the game in the 10th frame. He's your best bowler in getting marks and strikes under pressure. He's best at adjusting to changing lanes condition and can go off sheet when needed. They don't look back and point out the other players' missed marks as why the game is lost. If they can win the game for the team they just do it . Ty was the team's anchorman for this game. The D needed one stop in the field and didn't get it. I hope he learns from this and is better prepared for similar situations in the future. I'll be surprised if he and Stitt haven't already done that.

 

[markson161]

Perhaps punting the ball was the adjustment needed. Touchback would've added another 12 yards, 2 possibly 3 more plays to get where they were and more than likely not enough time to attempt the field goal. Of course unless Stitt calls a timeout.

 

[putter]

Or perhaps Stitt could have realized that he is playing a running team and pooch a kick towards the corner to see if Poly can go an extra 10 - 20 yards in the time they had. Montana's line struggles run-blocking but he went with his gut but his gut is getting Montana in some trouble in the first 2 games....lots of work to do but the O will get better and I like what the D did against Poly. Much better than I first thought.

"sorry markson, I did not see your post"...

 

[jodcon]

Or perhaps Stitt could have realized that he is playing a running team and pooch a kick towards the corner to see if Poly can go an extra 10 - 20 yards in the time they had. Montana's line struggles run-blocking but he went with his gut but his gut is getting Montana in some trouble in the first 2 games....lots of work to do but the O will get better and I like what the D did against Poly. Much better than I first thought.

"sorry markson, I did not see your post"...

Running Joey on 4th and 1 was the play, if the choices were running who they did or trying to kick coffin corner...factoring in the time, Poly's TO situation and that they can't throw at all...I would actually be ok with that call as much as it goes against my normal thinking.

 

[grizcountry420]

Ty had a good game plan against Cal-Poly. Otherwise, they may have scored 30 more points.

I think some on here are forgetting Cal Poly practices their 2 minute drill as well. They didn't run to the edge every time on that drive. Cal Poly did what they needed to.

Cal Poly's last drive, they had to spike the ball once to stop the clock. Besides that, they ran to the edge everytime to stop the clock and there was nobody there to force them back into the field..

For anyone who actually cares about the facts, CP ran to edge 3 of the 11 plays on the drive.

420, how would you have caused the runners to get tackled in-bounds? What defense? What defensive formation?

I would have had the DE widen his position on the short side of the field making it tougher for them to get out on the corner and have the SS come up a little bit more to give the LB's more support. This would leave the FS out on his own spying the QB while the corners are in man coverage. I think it would have been worth the chance to take.

 

[mikegriz]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Maybe Sullivan cost us the game with the missed FG? If we'd had that, they'd have had to score a TD and not a FG. Or maybe one of the dropped passes that would have resulted in the first down? Or maybe the offensive line, not picking up that 4th down play with 1:21 to go? Or how about Stitt, by going for it on 4th down instead of pinning them deep with no TO's? ANY of those things happen and it's a moot point.

This. Just flat BS to attribute the loss to one thing or one person.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Maybe Sullivan cost us the game with the missed FG? If we'd had that, they'd have had to score a TD and not a FG. Or maybe one of the dropped passes that would have resulted in the first down? Or maybe the offensive line, not picking up that 4th down play with 1:21 to go? Or how about Stitt, by going for it on 4th down instead of pinning them deep with no TO's? ANY of those things happen and it's a moot point.

This. Just flat BS to attribute the loss to one thing or one person.

Are you kidding me? We all know that there were plenty of plays which could have won, or lost the game, for both teams. But forget all of that and focus on the final 37 seconds of the game. We know how we got to that point, but the fact is that we should have been able to easily win the game under the circumstances that were present, and we didn't. You can spin it all you like, but the fact is that we blew it, and every Griz fan I have talked to the past two days agrees with me.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Growler has a point on this one. Tackle him once in bounds and its nearly game over. To argue otherwise doesn't make any sense. However, saying and doing are two different things.

Maybe Sullivan cost us the game with the missed FG? If we'd had that, they'd have had to score a TD and not a FG. Or maybe one of the dropped passes that would have resulted in the first down? Or maybe the offensive line, not picking up that 4th down play with 1:21 to go? Or how about Stitt, by going for it on 4th down instead of pinning them deep with no TO's? ANY of those things happen and it's a moot point.

This. Just flat BS to attribute the loss to one thing or one person.

Are you kidding me? We all know that there were plenty of plays which could have won, or lost the game, for both teams. But forget all of that and focus on the final 37 seconds of the game. We know how we got to that point, but the fact is that we should have been able to easily win the game under the circumstances that were present, and we didn't. You can spin it all you like, but the fact is that we blew it, and every Griz fan I have talked to the past two days agrees with me.

If you truly believe your second sentence then this entire thread is moot.

 

[uofmman1122]

Or perhaps Stitt could have realized that he is playing a running team and pooch a kick towards the corner to see if Poly can go an extra 10 - 20 yards in the time they had. Montana's line struggles run-blocking but he went with his gut but his gut is getting Montana in some trouble in the first 2 games....lots of work to do but the O will get better and I like what the D did against Poly. Much better than I first thought.

"sorry markson, I did not see your post"...

His "gut" helped us beat the #1 team in FCS. :|

I mean, I know this loss kinda sucks, but I feel like so many Griz fans have just gone off the deep end.

Our season isn't over, boys. :roll: