Great article on spread offenses with quotes from Stitt

[Spanky]

AzGrizFan: don't get so excited. Think about your heart. I would be thrilled if Stitt can win football games, starting with the Cats. Hopefully, you aren't one of those that thinks he needs several more years to get his system in place?
I hope I'm wrong, but I think he has done a masterful sales job on many of you, including Haslam. Lets hope he is successful and the Griz return to dominance. Now relax its Friday and cocktail hour somewhere.

 

[brewskis]

I don't recall Read, Dennehy or Hauck being put on a pedestal before they did anything here. They all earned their reputations, while Stitt is being gifted his with little to show for it.

Define "put on a pedestal"?

Asking fans to have a little patience isn't exactly putting him on a pedestal.

Asking fans to realize the shit show he inherited isn't putting him on a pedestal.

Stating facts about who does or does not seek counsel/advice from him isn't putting him on a pedestal.

What shit show did he inherit? His job is coaching, not cleaning up shit shows.

Good LORD people have short memories. :roll: :roll:

It's not a lack of memory. It's called selective negligence.


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[brewskis]

Gotta love the "but what has it done for me?" attitude around here. Referring to last season's W/L record as a reason to discard Stitt's credibility is a cop-out even by armchair quarterback standards.

If you read anyone's accounts of the team's attitude, culture, and camaraderie....it will paint much more promising picture than those who are moping around this thread stammering out "b-b-b-but 6-5 you guys!!!!"


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[griz5700]

So when NFL coaches come to Missoula to talk to Stitt, you think they're trying to pick up on some of his sales tips? And when Dana Holgorson, Mike Leach, and Kevin Sumlin fly Stitt out to talk X's and O's, they're really just impressed with his ability as a Front Man and they want to learn more? When the writer's at SB Nation wrote this article, they figured Stitt was an armchair QB who "sells" a spread offense and wanted his input.

Bold statement on your part, too bad there isn't much backing it up.


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All of your above accolades sure have not come to fruition thus far as the head coach at the UM.

Now, allowing for a reason of doubt, with coach Stitt having his staff in place, and athletes of his choice in place, that being athletes he was able to acquire, this should be the season of incredible results, perhaps winning the BSC, deep into the playoffs, with perhaps contending for a NC.

I mean who could expect less, considering all the greats seeking X's and O's dialog from the genius of the spread offense.

Myself personally, I wish the genius would look into the concept of what NDSU has done with X's and O's, after all, that is a proven concept with results that won't be duplicated in at least your lifetime, and I am most certain that the fans of NDSU found that type of football not only exciting but also exhilarating.

Now, you will probably debate back that coach Stitt is only in his third year as HC, his athletes are young his scheme is complicated and he may need a little more time, after all in fifteen years at the School of Mines he achieved mediocrity, and he could not refuse the opportunity offered by the UM for him to fulfill the dream of domination at School of Mines.

Just my humble opinion.....

Using your theory, Don Read would never have been hired here. Horribly mediocre career before he came to Missoula.
Mick Dennehy should never have been given the reigns. Totally mediocre HC @ MT Western.
Bobby Hauck would never have been hired here. Had never even BEEN a HC before here.

I don't recall Read, Dennehy or Hauck being put on a pedestal before they did anything here. They all earned their reputations, while Stitt is being gifted his with little to show for it.

Uh oh. The "3-5" fan club won't like reading this. Prepare to get crucified, iaa.

 

[AZGrizFan]

AzGrizFan: don't get so excited. Think about your heart. I would be thrilled if Stitt can win football games, starting with the Cats. Hopefully, you aren't one of those that thinks he needs several more years to get his system in place?
I hope I'm wrong, but I think he has done a masterful sales job on many of you, including Haslam. Lets hope he is successful and the Griz return to dominance. Now relax its Friday and cocktail hour somewhere.

My heart is just fine. It's your brain I'd be worried about. You seem to have some cognitive dissendence issues, selective memory, that sort of thing.

 

[spsyk]

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There is no theory here, in my opinion, there is no comparison between Don Read and coach Stitt, Read was hired to build a program, and completed that accomplishment with unparalleled success.

While coach Stitt inherited a program that went two deep with an interim coach at the helm, and a program and facility that greatly enhances the chances for recruitment.

I see. So Don Read's team didn't go two deep? WTF does that statement even mean?

Seriously though: There have been f***[*] manifestos written on eGriz about the quality of our O-line play for literally the past 5+ years. Or the quality of our RB's since Reynolds graduated. Or the quality of our CB's since TJ went to the NFL. Or the quality of our safeties since The Butte Missile took his talents to the NFL. Stitt came in down four schollys. The shitstorm rape scandal was barely in the rear view mirror. Horrible declining enrollment thanks to that dipshit Engstrom. Our first losing season in 25 years barely behind us. Taking over for an interim coach who would have been better served staying in his rocking chair. Trying to rebuild an O-line that was decimated by an O-line coach who was more concerned about his players' relationship with GOD rather than their skill between the lines on a football field.

Bob Stitt didn't inherit the same Cadillac as Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, etc. FAAAAR from it. If pretending that he did helps you sleep at night, great. But it's horribly disingenuous and really not even comparable. Engstrom ran that f***[*] cadillac off a cliff, then lit it on fire by hiring Delaney and his crew of pretend coaches. You wanna really be pissed at someone? Be pissed at Engstrom. And Gragg. Stitt's a fine football coach, but he's not a f***[*] miracle worker. This thing was a lot further off the rails than you or a lot of people were/are willing to admit--hence the housecleaning that occurred after the first year--a lot of those guys were borderline Frontier Conf caliber players--hell, it was said as much on here when Delaney signed 'em!! But, don't let facts get in the way of a good lynching.

You have to slow down and read the post, the insinuation was that coach Stitt inherited a team that was led by an interim coach, Delaney, that advanced his team to two deep in the playoffs, not a bad team to inherit by my estimation, and having no reference to coach Read.

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, inherited teams and continued to excel with what they inherited and made it better, at this point, athletes excluded, coach Stitt has not, especially last season 6-5 and losing at home to arguably the worst team in the Big Sky, not very good marks for a resume.

Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, advance to the next level, if coach Stitt has a repeat of the 2016 season, he will have to mentor all those which flower him with accolades about his prowess of his offensive genius or seek employment as a high school assistant coach, as a long time support of Griz athletics, I am hoping for the best for coach Stitt, after attending many practices, and scrimmages, and the spring game, haven't seen much to be optimistic about.

As far as coach Pflugrad, if not for the UM administration, firing him as well as Jim O'Day both of which have been doing their job admirably, would probably still be functioning in their capacities, if the University did not overreact to some real and some fictional sex crimes.

As far as manifesto's about Griz athletes, take them with a grain of salt, athletes come an go in college athletics, they make the real commitment to the game, coaches are paid, and don't have the same commitment, their commitment is monetary, a job, and job security is the ability to win.

You know, you are quick to condemn coach Delaney, and his staff, well thus far, his record is no better or worse than coach Stitt, in a matter of fact, Delaney's is better, and he was in the beginning, middle and end of what you call a shit storm, all Delaney and staff did was coach football to their ability and let the administration handle the shit storm, coach Stitt has no shit storm, so there should be no distraction to his coaching, and the 6-5 season seem to have more than a distraction.

I'm not pissed at anyone, I'm just trying to have civil dialog, and point out facts as I seen them, you may disagree, however that does not make you right and me wrong, I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking, this is a football message board, I don't believe there would be a consensus on anything football related.

With that said, take a chill pill, and try to realize the O-line is not the only problem confronting the Griz since coach Stitt inception, he has had two plus years to rectify that if that is the problem, that is what good coaches do evaluate problems and correct them.

The 2017 season is going to be epic, go Griz, especially the athletes, and good luck to coach Stitt and Staff.

 

[Spanky]

With the Mystery Offense, Stitt doesn't need an OL. Probably doesn't need ST either.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

With the Mystery Offense, Stitt doesn't need an OL. Probably doesn't need ST either.

"Mystery Offense"...wtf are you smokin'?

 

[spsyk]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someonethat replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

I can't make myself believe that if coach Delaney had remained the interim coach, he would have gone 6-5 and been humiliated by the Cats at home, however, that is conjecture.

 

[Ursa Major]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someonethat replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

I can't make myself believe that if coach Delaney had remained the interim coach, he would have gone 6-5 and been humiliated by the Cats at home, however, that is conjecture.

With all due respect Sissy, are the doctors at the VA over-medicating you? Grandpa Munster was a good guy but the facts (Griz in the NFL) seem to suggest that he was a very bad recruiter.

When was the last time the Griz had a dominant O-line?

 

[sdk.catfish]

Post by brewskis » Fri May 05, 2017 3:53 pm

Gotta love the "but what has it done for me?" attitude around here. Referring to last season's W/L record as a reason to discard Stitt's credibility is a cop-out even by armchair quarterback standards.

If you read anyone's accounts of the team's attitude, culture, and camaraderie....it will paint much more promising picture than those who are moping around this thread stammering out "b-b-b-but 6-5 you guys!!!!"

Brewskis - I think some of us just have a difficult time understanding why you, and certainly many others on this forum, appear to have this undying allegiance to Coach Stitt. I'm really going to try not to alienate you so perhaps you can help us understand why you believe that down the road there will be improvement. Is it because:
1. you have personally met him, listened to his vision for the program, and buy in even though is overall total winning percentage is is slightly less than 60% (122/72 according to Wikipedia).
2. He has established a certain integrity to the program by recruiting quality athletes that have personal integrity that go beyond just football skills. For example I don't believe Stitt would ever have brought the Xanax twins into the program like Choke.
3. You are willing to accept that a 60% winning percentage, and unquestionable commitment to moral ethics, and with occasional playoff appearances, is the destiny of the UM football program (This is a perfectly acceptable, and understandable answer and not a "gotcha" option).
4. Other qualities that you see in Stitt that I, and certainly others, just can't come to grips with.

Finally, if this season ends up 6/5, or maybe 7/4 but loss to the Cats and no playoffs, is your opinion likely to change, or are you locked in for the duration?

Really not trying to make any point here other than I just don't understand the bromance you and many others seem to have with Stitt.

 

[spsyk]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someonethat replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

I can't make myself believe that if coach Delaney had remained the interim coach, he would have gone 6-5 and been humiliated by the Cats at home, however, that is conjecture.

With all due respect Sissy, are the doctors at the VA over-medicating you? Grandpa Munster was a good guy but the facts (Griz in the NFL) seem to suggest that he was a very bad recruiter.

When was the last time the Griz had a dominant O-line?

With all due respect, juvenile,( just a rebuke to your snarky remark and name calling ) when was the last time that the Griz dominated anything, including the coach Stitt tenure.

Or am I to go with blind faith as you are, and get excited by the fifteen years at School of Mines, and the less than stellar two years at UM of coach Stitt.

Look, I will be the first to say that I was wrong, and climb on the Stitt bandwagon when coach Stitt exhibits more than a mediocrity on offense, and I believe it's going to take more than improvements of the offensive line.

You are not going to win conference championship, and compete for NC with just a stellar offensive line

One more thing, any coach that that can fill the position as head coach at the UM,with what the program can offer athletes, ( fan base, stadium, loud and cold game atmosphere, tradition, education, and on and on ) would be able to recruit as well as coach Stitt, not to say that his Staff was instrumental in a lot of the recruiting.

 

[brewskis]

Post by brewskis » Fri May 05, 2017 3:53 pm

Gotta love the "but what has it done for me?" attitude around here. Referring to last season's W/L record as a reason to discard Stitt's credibility is a cop-out even by armchair quarterback standards.

If you read anyone's accounts of the team's attitude, culture, and camaraderie....it will paint much more promising picture than those who are moping around this thread stammering out "b-b-b-but 6-5 you guys!!!!"

Brewskis - I think some of us just have a difficult time understanding why you, and certainly many others on this forum, appear to have this undying allegiance to Coach Stitt. I'm really going to try not to alienate you so perhaps you can help us understand why you believe that down the road there will be improvement. Is it because:
1. you have personally met him, listened to his vision for the program, and buy in even though is overall total winning percentage is is slightly less than 60% (122/72 according to Wikipedia).
2. He has established a certain integrity to the program by recruiting quality athletes that have personal integrity that go beyond just football skills. For example I don't believe Stitt would ever have brought the Xanax twins into the program like Choke.
3. You are willing to accept that a 60% winning percentage, and unquestionable commitment to moral ethics, and with occasional playoff appearances, is the destiny of the UM football program (This is a perfectly acceptable, and understandable answer and not a "gotcha" option).
4. Other qualities that you see in Stitt that I, and certainly others, just can't come to grips with.

Finally, if this season ends up 6/5, or maybe 7/4 but loss to the Cats and no playoffs, is your opinion likely to change, or are you locked in for the duration?

Really not trying to make any point here other than I just don't understand the bromance you and many others seem to have with Stitt.

I'll abbreviate my response, because I'm on my mobile and at 4%.

Stitt's results at CSM are impressive. He took over a program that won 44 games in the previous 15 years, at a school with more stringent academic standards than any in the Big Sky, and against competition that couldn't give a shit about academics.

Everyone points to the 8-5 and 6-5 seasons and just uses the bottom line as a reason to doubt. And that's fair, most everyone uses that approach in some way, shape, or form in day to day judgement calls and evaluation. Not just football.

I see the way that the program is building from within with solid recruiting and key transfers, team CAMARADERIE , staff holdover, and consistency to scheme as CATALYSTS to success. Sure last season didn't end well, but the way the team responded this spring shows that it hasn't kept them down (like egriz) and that they're using it to fuel progress. I'd say this is time to buy low, in investing terms. Because I think everything within the program is uptrending, and the results are on their way.

Just my opinion, and evaluation that goes beyond the bottom line.


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[AZGrizFan]

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There is no theory here, in my opinion, there is no comparison between Don Read and coach Stitt, Read was hired to build a program, and completed that accomplishment with unparalleled success.

While coach Stitt inherited a program that went two deep with an interim coach at the helm, and a program and facility that greatly enhances the chances for recruitment.

I see. So Don Read's team didn't go two deep? WTF does that statement even mean?

Seriously though: There have been f***[*] manifestos written on eGriz about the quality of our O-line play for literally the past 5+ years. Or the quality of our RB's since Reynolds graduated. Or the quality of our CB's since TJ went to the NFL. Or the quality of our safeties since The Butte Missile took his talents to the NFL. Stitt came in down four schollys. The shitstorm rape scandal was barely in the rear view mirror. Horrible declining enrollment thanks to that dipshit Engstrom. Our first losing season in 25 years barely behind us. Taking over for an interim coach who would have been better served staying in his rocking chair. Trying to rebuild an O-line that was decimated by an O-line coach who was more concerned about his players' relationship with GOD rather than their skill between the lines on a football field.

Bob Stitt didn't inherit the same Cadillac as Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, etc. FAAAAR from it. If pretending that he did helps you sleep at night, great. But it's horribly disingenuous and really not even comparable. Engstrom ran that f***[*] cadillac off a cliff, then lit it on fire by hiring Delaney and his crew of pretend coaches. You wanna really be pissed at someone? Be pissed at Engstrom. And Gragg. Stitt's a fine football coach, but he's not a f***[*] miracle worker. This thing was a lot further off the rails than you or a lot of people were/are willing to admit--hence the housecleaning that occurred after the first year--a lot of those guys were borderline Frontier Conf caliber players--hell, it was said as much on here when Delaney signed 'em!! But, don't let facts get in the way of a good lynching.

You have to slow down and read the post, the insinuation was that coach Stitt inherited a team that was led by an interim coach, Delaney, that advanced his team to two deep in the playoffs, not a bad team to inherit by my estimation, and having no reference to coach Read.

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, Pflugrad, inherited teams and continued to excel with what they inherited and made it better, at this point, athletes excluded, coach Stitt has not, especially last season 6-5 and losing at home to arguably the worst team in the Big Sky, not very good marks for a resume.

Dennehy, Glenn, Hauck, advance to the next level, if coach Stitt has a repeat of the 2016 season, he will have to mentor all those which flower him with accolades about his prowess of his offensive genius or seek employment as a high school assistant coach, as a long time support of Griz athletics, I am hoping for the best for coach Stitt, after attending many practices, and scrimmages, and the spring game, haven't seen much to be optimistic about.

As far as coach Pflugrad, if not for the UM administration, firing him as well as Jim O'Day both of which have been doing their job admirably, would probably still be functioning in their capacities, if the University did not overreact to some real and some fictional sex crimes.

As far as manifesto's about Griz athletes, take them with a grain of salt, athletes come an go in college athletics, they make the real commitment to the game, coaches are paid, and don't have the same commitment, their commitment is monetary, a job, and job security is the ability to win.

You know, you are quick to condemn coach Delaney, and his staff, well thus far, his record is no better or worse than coach Stitt, in a matter of fact, Delaney's is better, and he was in the beginning, middle and end of what you call a shit storm, all Delaney and staff did was coach football to their ability and let the administration handle the shit storm, coach Stitt has no shit storm, so there should be no distraction to his coaching, and the 6-5 season seem to have more than a distraction.

I'm not pissed at anyone, I'm just trying to have civil dialog, and point out facts as I seen them, you may disagree, however that does not make you right and me wrong, I'm not trying to convert you to my way of thinking, this is a football message board, I don't believe there would be a consensus on anything football related.

With that said, take a chill pill, and try to realize the O-line is not the only problem confronting the Griz since coach Stitt inception, he has had two plus years to rectify that if that is the problem, that is what good coaches do evaluate problems and correct them.

The 2017 season is going to be epic, go Griz, especially the athletes, and good luck to coach Stitt and Staff.

Fair enough.

2+ seasons isn't enough for ANY coach, IMHO. And you're correct, he had multiple other problems to address in addition to the O-line...he's addressing each, just not fast enough (or with fast enough results) for some. His first recruiting class is R-FR or So right now, Still very very young.

 

[AZGrizFan]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

 

[brewskis]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

Even then I'd say it would have to be really bad and we show no improvement at all. Say we go 7-4 next season and 8-3 the following. I wouldn't change a thing, I'd give the staff all extensions. By then Akem, Jensen, Rodriguez & co would be going into their junior season. Let the trend continue.


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[Copper Griz]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

Even then I'd say it would have to be really bad and we show no improvement at all. Say we go 7-4 next season and 8-3 the following. I wouldn't change a thing, I'd give the staff all extensions. By then Akem, Jensen, Rodriguez & co would be going into their junior season. Let the trend continue.


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Joe Glenn arrived in 2000. Sooo - the program is on it's fifth coach in 17 years. Yes, you read that correct. How about we make it 6 coaches in 18 years? That seems like a great idea and more consistency to follow. The program has a problem. That problem is retention folks and $$$$$ for coaches. Everyone calling for Stitt to be replaced needs to settle down. Things change and putting the program back together is going to take some time. Delaney did a good job of keeping the Cadillac on the road when he was HC. He did not recruit well for the O line. This year will be ok. Next year should be a damn good one.

 

[spsyk]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

 

[brewskis]

With that said, a team that went two deep in the playoffs, in the mind of someone who is rational and not making excuses for the failings of someone that replace the interim coach, might say he inherited a Cadillac team.

I might say that the interim coach made a playoff run on the backs of talent left by the previous coach and left the incoming coach a large void in talent, especially in some critical positions. Far from a "Cadillac".

Yep. And when THAT happens, it's a much longer, slower, more painful fix. We're only about halfway thru. IMHO, if I were AD I'd give Stitt this year AND next year. But if by next year we're not winning 85% and going deep into the playoffs I'd call the experiment a failure and cut my losses.

I believe you are reading my post and not getting what I am trying to convey, I'm not looking to fire coach Stitt, I'm looking for improvement.

His first year, well, not a disaster, however, the offense was suspect, I never blame athletes, its leadership to see that athletes perform to their ability.

His second year, well, you have to classify your conclusions, I believe I made mine clear.

I'm critical of coach Stitt, and after witnessing spring ball, my confidence is let say, dubious.

All I have to go on is his tenure at School of Mines, and two seasons at the UM, are you really that impressed.

So it always falls on the coaches, and none of our downfalls are on the players? Cal Poly was the result of poor coaching? Because when I saw us give up 21 points in long TD passes where safeties ran at the LOS while the WR's ran past them.....my first instinct wasn't to blame the coaches.


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