Great article on spread offenses with quotes from Stitt

[bgbigdog]

BGB included in an article on spread offenses when he doesn't run one? Odd.

 

[AZGrizFan]

by AZGrizFan » Wed May 03, 2017 6:07 pm

Again, I don't care (and have never cared) what offense was run. I am a fan of winning. do I think Stitt will get there? Yes, I do....but fans' ADD is not conducive to an AD having any sort of patience with a coaching staff these days...

AZ - I actually agree with your post and another that you had on another thread which happens to be a first. Here is to becoming BFF's. But............. Athletic Directors don't have the luxury of waiting forever and already, prior to the 17 season, we have some posters saying just wait until 2018 for the breakout season. This is exactly what they said in 15 and 16. If Stitt wants to pass 80% of the time and run 20% I don't care either but those 20% better achieve the goal of getting first downs,keep the defense honest and score enough points to win. I have brought this up before but college football is not about tradition or of character development or anything else honest and moral and rightous . It is about making money and to do that you need to provide the elements within the program that accomplish that. I love Stitt's recruiting philosophy and the diligence he and the coaching staff go through to bring quality recruits into the program. But can he coach big-time winning football? I hope this year provides clarity on that aspect and that there is some sort of fan consensus at the end of the 2017 season on whether he measures up or doesn't.

BFF - Just a few clarifications:

* I don't recall ANYONE saying '15 was going to be the breakout season. I think a large percentage also thought '16 might be a bit of a struggle given the O-line concerns, but the 5-1 start might have lulled some (including me) into a sense of complacency

* Perhaps the comment is tongue-in-cheek, but Stitt's offense is NOT 80/20 Pass/Run. In fact, it's really a pretty balanced offense. In '17 it was 493/387, which is a 56/44 split. For comparison sake, here's some data on how other teams in the BSC offense was split:

CP: 18.15/81.85 (63.7 diff)
PSU: 34.5/65.5 (31 diff)
UND: 35/65 (30 diff)
MSU: 37.7/62.3 (24.6 diff)
ISU: 60.1/39.9 (20.2 diff)
EWU: 58.5/41.5 (17 diff)
UM: 56/44 (12 diff)
NAU: 53/47 (6 diff)
UNC: 47/53 (6 diff)
Sac St: 47.6/52.4 (4.8 diff)
WSU: 51.2/48.8 (2.4 diff)
SUU: 49.7/50.3 (0.6 diff)

So, in reality UM was right in the middle of the pack from an offensive "balance" standpoint.

 

[HookedonGriz]

by AZGrizFan » Wed May 03, 2017 6:07 pm

Again, I don't care (and have never cared) what offense was run. I am a fan of winning. do I think Stitt will get there? Yes, I do....but fans' ADD is not conducive to an AD having any sort of patience with a coaching staff these days...

AZ - I actually agree with your post and another that you had on another thread which happens to be a first. Here is to becoming BFF's. But............. Athletic Directors don't have the luxury of waiting forever and already, prior to the 17 season, we have some posters saying just wait until 2018 for the breakout season. This is exactly what they said in 15 and 16. If Stitt wants to pass 80% of the time and run 20% I don't care either but those 20% better achieve the goal of getting first downs,keep the defense honest and score enough points to win. I have brought this up before but college football is not about tradition or of character development or anything else honest and moral and rightous . It is about making money and to do that you need to provide the elements within the program that accomplish that. I love Stitt's recruiting philosophy and the diligence he and the coaching staff go through to bring quality recruits into the program. But can he coach big-time winning football? I hope this year provides clarity on that aspect and that there is some sort of fan consensus at the end of the 2017 season on whether he measures up or doesn't.

BFF - Just a few clarifications:

* I don't recall ANYONE saying '15 was going to be the breakout season. I think a large percentage also thought '16 might be a bit of a struggle given the O-line concerns, but the 5-1 start might have lulled some (including me) into a sense of complacency

* Perhaps the comment is tongue-in-cheek, but Stitt's offense is NOT 80/20 Pass/Run. In fact, it's really a pretty balanced offense. In '17 it was 493/387, which is a 56/44 split. For comparison sake, here's some data on how other teams in the BSC offense was split:

CP: 18.15/81.85 (63.7 diff)
PSU: 34.5/65.5 (31 diff)
UND: 35/65 (30 diff)
MSU: 37.7/62.3 (24.6 diff)
ISU: 60.1/39.9 (20.2 diff)
EWU: 58.5/41.5 (17 diff)
UM: 56/44 (12 diff)
NAU: 53/47 (6 diff)
UNC: 47/53 (6 diff)
WSU: 51.2/48.8 (2.4 diff)
SUU: 49.7/50.3 (0.6 diff)
Sac St: 47.6/52.4 (4.8 diff)

So, in reality UM was right in the middle of the pack from an offensive "balance" standpoint.

Now now now don't go using facts to completely destroy perspectives

 

[Glendivegriz]

NDSU needs to return their trophies. They have been doing it wrong.

 

[Spanky]

Catfish....I wouldn't describe the Griz as playing big time college football.

 

[srgrizizen]

Personally, I get more excited and jacked about my team when watching them run right at an opponent all game long and seeing the demoralizing effect on the opponent when they simply have no answer, and by Q3 they have seemingly lost their will to even fight it. Its like watching Royce Gracie back in the day take on opponents who, at a glance, looked like they could tear him apart, but by the end of the fight Royce had left no doubt that his slow, plodding, and often boring approach was far superior and, for that matter, completely demoralizing.


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Great. Now how excited do you get when the other team DOES have an answer, puts eight in the box and your offense gains 128 yards for the game?

 

[srgrizizen]

And when you run the ball, three things can happen and two of them are bad.

1. Gain

2. No gain or loss

3. Fumble
:lol: :lol:

 

[Ursus1]

Griz are very balanced. ..1/3 handoff to back after a no threat QB keep read .....1/3 pass laterally to JLM ....and 1/3 pass down field along sidelines.

 

[HookedonGriz]

Griz are very balanced. ..1/3 handoff to back after a no threat QB keep read .....1/3 pass laterally to JLM ....and 1/3 pass down field along sidelines.

I'd scale all those to 1/4.....as one more 1/4 is taking a QB sack

 

[Ursus1]

Griz are very balanced. ..1/3 handoff to back after a no threat QB keep read .....1/3 pass laterally to JLM ....and 1/3 pass down field along sidelines.

I'd scale all those to 1/4.....as one more 1/4 is taking a QB sack

Bordering on 1/5 with the old put the big guys in the backfield and try to push a giraffe QB one yard play. Pure genius

 

[griz5700]

Only one more year. Hang in there, guys.

 

[Ursa Major]

Only one more year. Hang in there, guys.

Thanks for the input, "Easy Money"! :thumb:

 

[sdk.catfish]

Post by Spanky » Thu May 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Catfish....I wouldn't describe the Griz as playing big time college football.

Spanky - I acknowledge how that could be misinterpreted but for 20,000 plus who attend Griz games this is about as big-time as it gets. Instead of me wording it the way I did " But can he coach big-time winning football? " can I say it this way?

Can Bob Stitt, over the course of 3 years, achieve a (one-year) conference winning percentage of over 80%.

In 2016, at 6/5 he was at 66%. In 2015, without any of his recruits he was 7-5 or 77%. In order to realistically get into the playoffs he needs to be at 75% or better. In order to win the BSC and go deep into the playoffs he probably needs to achieve a winning percentage over 80%. So there are a lot of questions on both the offensive and defensive sides. I'm not sure they can be resolved but I can only hope, as do the other 20,000 plus, that they can. But I really do think there needs to be some accountability measurements that, if not met, result in a change in leadership.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Post by Spanky » Thu May 04, 2017 2:46 pm

Catfish....I wouldn't describe the Griz as playing big time college football.

Spanky - I acknowledge how that could be misinterpreted but for 20,000 plus who attend Griz games this is about as big-time as it gets. Instead of me wording it the way I did " But can he coach big-time winning football? " can I say it this way?

Can Bob Stitt, over the course of 3 years, achieve a (one-year) conference winning percentage of over 80%.

In 2016, at 6/5 he was at 66%. In 2015, without any of his recruits he was 7-5 or 77%. In order to realistically get into the playoffs he needs to be at 75% or better. In order to win the BSC and go deep into the playoffs he probably needs to achieve a winning percentage over 80%. So there are a lot of questions on both the offensive and defensive sides. I'm not sure they can be resolved but I can only hope, as do the other 20,000 plus, that they can. But I really do think there needs to be some accountability measurements that, if not met, result in a change in leadership.

Based on the folks inside the beltway that I've talked with there ARE, in fact, accountability measurements that will result in a change if not met....not sure if they're hard and fast, but I believe Kent Haslam has a "bar" he'd like to see the team get over to continue the Stitt experiment.

 

[Spanky]

Catfish, we all want the Griz to be successful, so I agree in general. They have some talent on the team, but it is only talent and potential until they come together as a team. They must be properly coached with the basics daily. My impression with Stitt is that he is more of a Front Man and may not be a Coach. More of a salesman type that makes an impressive pitch, but doesn't really understand what he is selling. We will see.

 

[uofmman1122]

Catfish, we all want the Griz to be successful, so I agree in general. They have some talent on the team, but it is only talent and potential until they come together as a team. They must be properly coached with the basics daily. My impression with Stitt is that he is more of a Front Man and may not be a Coach. More of a salesman type that makes an impressive pitch, but doesn't really understand what he is selling. We will see.

We should set up a screen and sell popcorn for world-class projection like this, folks.

 

[fanofzoo]

Only one more year. Hang in there, guys.

Promise? or speculation ?

 

[fanofzoo]

Griz are very balanced. ..1/3 handoff to back after a no threat QB keep read .....1/3 pass laterally to JLM ....and 1/3 pass down field along sidelines.

I'd scale all those to 1/4.....as one more 1/4 is taking a QB sack

Bordering on 1/5 with the old put the big guys in the backfield and try to push a giraffe QB one yard play. Pure genius

Wash, lather, rinse and repeat, over and over again.

 

[CrunchGriz]

Catfish, we all want the Griz to be successful, so I agree in general. They have some talent on the team, but it is only talent and potential until they come together as a team. They must be properly coached with the basics daily. My impression with Stitt is that he is more of a Front Man and may not be a Coach. More of a salesman type that makes an impressive pitch, but doesn't really understand what he is selling. We will see.

We should set up a screen and sell popcorn for world-class projection like this, folks.

If the Griz were just a bit better at setting up a screen, JLM would have a lot more touchdowns.

 

[Grizzoola]

Catfish, we all want the Griz to be successful, so I agree in general. ... My impression with Stitt is that he is more of a Front Man and may not be a Coach. More of a salesman type that makes an impressive pitch, but doesn't really understand what he is selling. We will see.

Sounds like the Trumpster! :shock: