Good luck getting to games...

[cclarkblues]

No one is telling Missoulians to change their lifestyle or conform to the "shithole" cities outside of it. We're merely pointing out the fact that Missoula is not the utopia so many Missoulians believe it is. For a glimpse into the mindset of the local economic brain trust, there is an excellent article in today's Missoulian with lots of "ideas" on how to bring benefits from the Bakken to Missoula.

I found that funny too... Drilling for oil in Montana will never explode like it did over in North Dakota. There are too many regulations in Montana. There are very few regulations in ND and Wyoming, thats why they're all over there drilling because they dont have all the tree huggers breathing down their necks...

That, and despite what many Missoulians believe, Missoula is not the center of Montana.

yep, that would probably be in Fergus County, 11 miles W of Lewistown. Longitude: 109(degrees) 38.3'W Latitude: 41(degrees) 1.9'N :thumb:

They have it marked in the lobby of the Yogo Inn.

 

[curiousobserver]

I think it's a great, progressive idea.... Makes driving less convenient and walking or biking more convenient. It encourages alternative transportation.

Walking and biking are "progressive"? That is what people did before the invention of the automobile therefore it is by definition "regressive". Or is the progressive agenda just the next episode of "Back to the Future"?

A progressive concept in my opinion would be one that accommodates the reality that people need jobs and so businesses need customers with reasonable access to them while doing its best to limit the impact on he environment, i.e., promotes sustainability. I think the progressives would like to turn Missoula into a big park where everyone works for the government and walks or bikes to their jobs. All of the greedy capitalists can just take their degenerate businesses elsewhere. Now THAT is a vision of Missoula's future and why I will not have a realistic chance to live there again until after I retire.

Any time the word "progressive" is used to describe something, it means that the person or movement is rooted in idiocy, and caters only to minorities. It is time that mainstream Americans stop this mindless B.S., and take back our country. This 5th-6th street thing does not surprise me, considering Missoula has become California North.

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

Bozeman has not been anywhere near conservative for the past twenty years and in fact has been increasingly moving toward becoming Missoula during that period. Given the way Bozeman has been transformed since the early 1990’s (largely due to the effect of ‘A River Runs Through It’) and the path it is on now, it will only be about another ten years before Bozeman is Missoula, which is what the present-day powers-that-be in Bozeman want. The illusion that Bozeman is still the Bozeman from twenty years ago, let alone thirty or forty years ago, is false. It is not the agriculturally-based community it once was. What was farm land then is now covered with homes, box stores and strip malls, especially in the north and west ends of town.

Spend some time in Bozeman, especially in the downtown area. Watch and listen to what is going on around town. Talk to longtime residents and business owners – not the newbies, the long-timers. Look at who the powers-that-be are at the local chamber of commerce. Watch a few city commission meetings. I’ve done those things in the past couple of years or so and It quickly becomes evident that Bozeman is nowhere near what it used to be and in no way can be labeled as being conservative. There are conservative pockets in Gallatin valley in the Bozeman area but as far as the city of Bozeman itself, it’s definitely liberal.

Look at the composition of the city commission and some of their decisions and priorities. (btw, the Bozeman deputy mayor, who will become the mayor next year for the third time and who is known to wear cargo shorts and Birkenstocks to city commission meetings, is also a member of the Board of Regents and conveniently enough is also a State of Montana university-system employee [but just ignore that conflict of interest]). Here are a few examples: the Story mansion renovation debacle that has cost the city millions of dollars over the past ten years and is still unresolved; the new ‘sharrows’ program for bicycle riders; voting unanimously with very little discussion to approve a second feel-good city staff climate change position (when there is already an unfilled climate change position) out of thin air at the eleventh hour during the recent annual budgeting process; encouraging and approving virtually unrestrained new development while ignoring ‘old’ Bozeman and its infrastructure needs; spending $1 million+ a few years ago for a traffic roundabout on the edge of the MSU campus because they are trendy when a stoplight would have done, etc. etc.

Bozeman has been overrun by mostly liberal out-of-staters and the liberal university crowd in the past twenty years and that is continuing to occur. What used to be a ‘beer and burger’ town is now a ‘wine and cheese’ town. You can’t swing a dead cat by the tail anywhere in town without hitting a specialty coffee shop. Many of the long-timers have thrown in the towel and have either gone into hiding because their voices are not heard or they have left the area. Bozeman has become Missoula-lite now and is rapidly moving to full Missoula status. I’ll take Great Falls and Billings and all of their flaws, both real and perceived, over Missoula and Bozeman.

 

[Grisly Fan]

...You can’t swing a dead cat by the tail anywhere in town without hitting a specialty coffee shop....

I believe the proper term is "dead bobcat".

BTW - Be prepared to be besieged and beset upon by scores of Cat fans who can't manage a cogent counter-argument let alone one containing any first-hand experience. Let me say it on their behalf: "you are wrong, wrong, wrong". Pretty convincing huh?

 

[kemajic]

Bozeman has not been anywhere near conservative for the past twenty years and in fact has been increasingly moving toward becoming Missoula during that period. Given the way Bozeman has been transformed since the early 1990’s (largely due to the effect of ‘A River Runs Through It’) and the path it is on now, it will only be about another ten years before Bozeman is Missoula, which is what the present-day powers-that-be in Bozeman want. The illusion that Bozeman is still the Bozeman from twenty years ago, let alone thirty or forty years ago, is false. It is not the agriculturally-based community it once was. What was farm land then is now covered with homes, box stores and strip malls, especially in the north and west ends of town.

Spend some time in Bozeman, especially in the downtown area. Watch and listen to what is going on around town. Talk to longtime residents and business owners – not the newbies, the long-timers. Look at who the powers-that-be are at the local chamber of commerce. Watch a few city commission meetings. I’ve done those things in the past couple of years or so and It quickly becomes evident that Bozeman is nowhere near what it used to be and in no way can be labeled as being conservative. There are conservative pockets in Gallatin valley in the Bozeman area but as far as the city of Bozeman itself, it’s definitely liberal.

Look at the composition of the city commission and some of their decisions and priorities. (btw, the Bozeman deputy mayor, who will become the mayor next year for the third time and who is known to wear cargo shorts and Birkenstocks to city commission meetings, is also a member of the Board of Regents and conveniently enough is also a State of Montana university-system employee [but just ignore that conflict of interest]). Here are a few examples: the Story mansion renovation debacle that has cost the city millions of dollars over the past ten years and is still unresolved; the new ‘sharrows’ program for bicycle riders; voting unanimously with very little discussion to approve a second feel-good city staff climate change position (when there is already an unfilled climate change position) out of thin air at the eleventh hour during the recent annual budgeting process; encouraging and approving virtually unrestrained new development while ignoring ‘old’ Bozeman and its infrastructure needs; spending $1 million+ a few years ago for a traffic roundabout on the edge of the MSU campus because they are trendy when a stoplight would have done, etc. etc.

Bozeman has been overrun by mostly liberal out-of-staters and the liberal university crowd in the past twenty years and that is continuing to occur. What used to be a ‘beer and burger’ town is now a ‘wine and cheese’ town. You can’t swing a dead cat by the tail anywhere in town without hitting a specialty coffee shop. Many of the long-timers have thrown in the towel and have either gone into hiding because their voices are not heard or they have left the area. Bozeman has become Missoula-lite now and is rapidly moving to full Missoula status. I’ll take Great Falls and Billings and all of their flaws, both real and perceived, over Missoula and Bozeman.

Exactly. Bozeman is just 20 years behind Missoula in the process. Meanwhile, while Missoula has its Bonner superfund site; ever notice the scenery from I-90 driving from Bozeman to Belgrade? Worst mess on all of I-90. The libs there need to get after it. Shut down the gravel pits and equipment junkyards..... Eliminate a few more jobs....

 

[GrizPony]

That is the elite liberal agenda. Protect the supremacy of their trust fund position by eliminating the chance that others can amass a trust fund. You know, keep the riff raff down, but use the guise of "caring deeply" about the environment. You know, the one their daddy wrecked while working at Monsanto before the EPA was invented.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Bozeman has not been anywhere near conservative for the past twenty years and in fact has been increasingly moving toward becoming Missoula during that period. Given the way Bozeman has been transformed since the early 1990’s (largely due to the effect of ‘A River Runs Through It’) and the path it is on now, it will only be about another ten years before Bozeman is Missoula, which is what the present-day powers-that-be in Bozeman want. The illusion that Bozeman is still the Bozeman from twenty years ago, let alone thirty or forty years ago, is false. It is not the agriculturally-based community it once was. What was farm land then is now covered with homes, box stores and strip malls, especially in the north and west ends of town.

Spend some time in Bozeman, especially in the downtown area. Watch and listen to what is going on around town. Talk to longtime residents and business owners – not the newbies, the long-timers. Look at who the powers-that-be are at the local chamber of commerce. Watch a few city commission meetings. I’ve done those things in the past couple of years or so and It quickly becomes evident that Bozeman is nowhere near what it used to be and in no way can be labeled as being conservative. There are conservative pockets in Gallatin valley in the Bozeman area but as far as the city of Bozeman itself, it’s definitely liberal.

Look at the composition of the city commission and some of their decisions and priorities. (btw, the Bozeman deputy mayor, who will become the mayor next year for the third time and who is known to wear cargo shorts and Birkenstocks to city commission meetings, is also a member of the Board of Regents and conveniently enough is also a State of Montana university-system employee [but just ignore that conflict of interest]). Here are a few examples: the Story mansion renovation debacle that has cost the city millions of dollars over the past ten years and is still unresolved; the new ‘sharrows’ program for bicycle riders; voting unanimously with very little discussion to approve a second feel-good city staff climate change position (when there is already an unfilled climate change position) out of thin air at the eleventh hour during the recent annual budgeting process; encouraging and approving virtually unrestrained new development while ignoring ‘old’ Bozeman and its infrastructure needs; spending $1 million+ a few years ago for a traffic roundabout on the edge of the MSU campus because they are trendy when a stoplight would have done, etc. etc.

Bozeman has been overrun by mostly liberal out-of-staters and the liberal university crowd in the past twenty years and that is continuing to occur. What used to be a ‘beer and burger’ town is now a ‘wine and cheese’ town. You can’t swing a dead cat by the tail anywhere in town without hitting a specialty coffee shop. Many of the long-timers have thrown in the towel and have either gone into hiding because their voices are not heard or they have left the area. Bozeman has become Missoula-lite now and is rapidly moving to full Missoula status. I’ll take Great Falls and Billings and all of their flaws, both real and perceived, over Missoula and Bozeman.

You're right - Bozeman is getting better!

 

[GrizPony]

Our country is doomed. :?

 

[rimrockgriz]

Pony, Kem, Observer...you give me a glimmer of hope that not all is lost. Grab your f.....g wallet...you know who is after it, and they don't expect to work for it. :steal: :egriz: