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[JBS]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair. Missoula is not now nor has it ever been a logging town. The hippies in the 70's were certainly not loggers or mill workers. Some of them may have had forest service jobs piling brush, clearing trails or fire crews but that aint logging. The only reason the tiny logging industry was ever run out of town is because what little timber you had in yellow pine and small tamarack was mismanaged and taken. You are now left with jack pine thickets, brush fires and smoke. If you want to see timber go to forks Washington or better yet come visit Williams Lake British Columbia.
What's left of Montana is essentially a bunch of people running around posing as fly fisherman and hobby ranchers. You all need a hunting season on real estate developers.

How long have you lived here, Skookum? If you have time, I could take you a half hour out of town and show you plots of Ponderosa that not only could, but should be logged. If you can stand elevation, I will show you plots of Doug fir that need some thinning within one hour of town. I have brothers, uncles, cousins and their friends who were hippies, at least as much as we had in this town back then, who all worked in mill or logging jobs. Of course things were mis-managed, folks just didn't know any better. But they did learn and things were changing, clear cutting was becoming selective logging, the mills were cutting down on emissions, and wildlife was starting to figure into the whole process. Sustainable resources was the word, and it was working. But alas, success is not allowed around here if the crunchies don't like it. BTW, comparing other regions to the one we are discussing is stupid. Suppose we were talking oil and you were to say something like "this isn't oil, you should see Kuwait"? Well, this isn't Kuwait and it isn't Forks Washington or British Columbia, but it certainly was, and still could be, a logging town.

 

[kemajic]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair. Missoula is not now nor has it ever been a logging town. The hippies in the 70's were certainly not loggers or mill workers. Some of them may have had forest service jobs piling brush, clearing trails or fire crews but that aint logging. The only reason the tiny logging industry was ever run out of town is because what little timber you had in yellow pine and small tamarack was mismanaged and taken. You are now left with jack pine thickets, brush fires and smoke. If you want to see timber go to forks Washington or better yet come visit Williams Lake British Columbia.
What's left of Montana is essentially a bunch of people running around posing as fly fisherman and hobby ranchers. You all need a hunting season on real estate developers.

How long have you lived here, Skookum? If you have time, I could take you a half hour out of town and show you plots of Ponderosa that not only could, but should be logged. If you can stand elevation, I will show you plots of Doug fir that need some thinning within one hour of town. I have brothers, uncles, cousins and their friends who were hippies, at least as much as we had in this town back then, who all worked in mill or logging jobs. Of course things were mis-managed, folks just didn't know any better. But they did learn and things were changing, clear cutting was becoming selective logging, the mills were cutting down on emissions, and wildlife was starting to figure into the whole process. Sustainable resources was the word, and it was working. But alas, success is not allowed around here if the crunchies don't like it. BTW, comparing other regions to the one we are discussing is stupid. Suppose we were talking oil and you were to say something like "this isn't oil, you should see Kuwait"? Well, this isn't Kuwait and it isn't Forks Washington or British Columbia, but it certainly was, and still could be, a logging town.

What did he think the tepee burners were for? They were still prevalent in the 60's; a graveyard shift at Bonner one summer next to the band saw cooked my hearing. Not a logging town? Dude has no clue.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Even the dudes who "lived" in Zula, and or "live" in Mo Town, and who "visit" Grizville can't hardly agree on more than a few ideas... I feel I should have to pay for the entertainment this thread is providing :lol: :lol: Where's the tip jar located ??? Make sure the bike trail isn't near the coal train dust obliterators. :egriz:

 

[JBS]

Kem, maybe all of those freight trains driving through town carrying nothing but lumber were coming from Forks, Washington? BTW, isn't that where all of those fucking vampires my daughters talk about are from?

And yes, Rimrock, It is a crazy world, but there really isn't anything to agree or disagree about in this discussion, because facts are facts and Missoula was and still should be a logging town.

 

[grizcountry420]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair. Missoula is not now nor has it ever been a logging town. The hippies in the 70's were certainly not loggers or mill workers. Some of them may have had forest service jobs piling brush, clearing trails or fire crews but that aint logging. The only reason the tiny logging industry was ever run out of town is because what little timber you had in yellow pine and small tamarack was mismanaged and taken. You are now left with jack pine thickets, brush fires and smoke. If you want to see timber go to forks Washington or better yet come visit Williams Lake British Columbia.
What's left of Montana is essentially a bunch of people running around posing as fly fisherman and hobby ranchers. You all need a hunting season on real estate developers.

Please stick your head in a toliet, you're a fool!

 

[statler & waldorf]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair.quote]

And they are right. I was born in that town in the middle of the last century. My first breath was Missoula air, and this is probably why I like wood smoke to this day. Back in the early '70s Missoula was rated as having the fourth most polluted air in the nation, by Life Magazine I believe. Wood smoke, and it didn't come just from home wood stoves. Teepee burner doesn't just refer to that metal sculpture between the UC and the Psych building. Your expressed knowledge of Missoula history is ti ti. Read.

 

[JBS]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair.quote]

And they are right. I was born in that town in the middle of the last century. My first breath was Missoula air, and this is probably why I like wood smoke to this day. Back in the early '70s Missoula was rated as having the fourth most polluted air in the nation, by Life Magazine I believe. Wood smoke, and it didn't come just from home wood stoves. Teepee burner doesn't just refer to that metal sculpture between the UC and the Psych building. Your expressed knowledge of Missoula history is ti ti. Read.

If Mt. St. Helens would have happened in the wintertime of say 1950 through the mid 70s, it is possible we wouldn't have even noticed.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair.quote]

And they are right. I was born in that town in the middle of the last century. My first breath was Missoula air, and this is probably why I like wood smoke to this day. Back in the early '70s Missoula was rated as having the fourth most polluted air in the nation, by Life Magazine I believe. Wood smoke, and it didn't come just from home wood stoves. Teepee burner doesn't just refer to that metal sculpture between the UC and the Psych building. Your expressed knowledge of Missoula history is ti ti. Read.

If Mt. St. Helens would have happened in the wintertime of say 1950 through the mid 70s, it is possible we wouldn't have even noticed.

I will never forget the giant teepee burners at White Pine glowing red at night and the smell of pine/fir smoke was nearly constant -- like a perpetual camp fire.

 

[oGriz]

This discussion sounds a lot like the black-and white-thinking of a gun control discussions. Not every driver is an a-hole, and not every cyclist is an idiot, but there are some of both. Optimally, mutual respect and courtesy. It's funny how this topic nationally falls politically along predictable lines. Bike lanes enhance a city's appeal, and that's why all cities create them. And love them.

Iowagriz: A smart cyclist/commuter avoids major roads.

POW! (nail on the head)

EverettGriz: I'm not certain I support the idea as outlined. But Missoula needs to be more bike and pedestrian friendly, in my mind.

Agreed.

I cycle 12 months of the year — all urban routes — and as much as 600+ miles a month. Nearly all of my bike trips involve at least one pub, and sometimes four or five. Who wants a DUI? I even take my golf clubs on a bicycle (27 miles RT) to summer league so I can golf while I drink, and visit 3 bars, one owned by a woman from Miles City and another with a bartender from Missoula. And I own an SUV and a truck (and soon another SUV from Missoula).

I also ride in Missoula when I come home, as I did when I grew up there. It amazes me how easy it is to get places quickly on a bicycle. How else am I going to get to the Mo Club? And Iron Horse. And Red's. ... and back.

 

[oGriz]

I remember in the 1950s the smell of Missoula in the morning, and I worked in the mills when I was younger. It doesn't matter that the mills are not prominent any more. Ever hear of Plumb Creek clear cuts? Missoula used to have streetcars. You want to bring them back? (Oh, Mountain Line studying that http://missoulian.com/news/local/mountain-line-looks-at-bringing-streetcars-back-to-missoula/article_e15fb33a-0903-11e1-9914-001cc4c002e0.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

Skookum-Jim: "What's left of Montana is essentially a bunch of people running around posing as fly fisherman and hobby ranchers. You all need a hunting season on real estate developers."

Oh, man. Too funny.

 

[MrTitleist]

How in the sam hell do you bike with golf clubs??

 

[oGriz]

Seven clubs each in two panniers over the back wheel. A light 3.5 pound Sun Mountain carry bag feels like nothing — unless there's a head wind; then it's like an anti-sail. Looks a little odd, but it works. Works better without a head wind. Takes me about 45 minutes to get to the course and dump my clubs before going visiting.

 

[AZGrizFan]

For not being a logging town there sure are a lot of empty logging mills around here.

And there was this smelly thing called the Pulp Mill that ran for decades too....but no lumber/wood to be found, eh?

Hell, Southgate Mall sits on what was one of the biggest lumber mills in the state at one point.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Missoula at it's core is a logging town.

Oh gawd! Missoula a logging town? You and Kem are a real pair.quote]

And they are right. I was born in that town in the middle of the last century. My first breath was Missoula air, and this is probably why I like wood smoke to this day. Back in the early '70s Missoula was rated as having the fourth most polluted air in the nation, by Life Magazine I believe. Wood smoke, and it didn't come just from home wood stoves. Teepee burner doesn't just refer to that metal sculpture between the UC and the Psych building. Your expressed knowledge of Missoula history is ti ti. Read.

If Mt. St. Helens would have happened in the wintertime of say 1950 through the mid 70s, it is possible we wouldn't have even noticed.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[yellowstone60]

no, not much logging ever done around here......
http://www.forestrydays.com/Forestry_Days/History_of_Logging.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Grisly Fan]

Seven clubs each in two panniers over the back wheel. A light 3.5 pound Sun Mountain carry bag feels like nothing — unless there's a head wind; then it's like an anti-sail. Looks a little odd, but it works. Works better without a head wind. Takes me about 45 minutes to get to the course and dump my clubs before going visiting.

I am not sure where you come from but in Oregon, "BUI" is treated exactly the same as "DUI". Not so in Montana where there is no law against riding intoxicated but in Oregon it is a no-no. A few other states too.

 

[Jerry Punch]

No one is telling Missoulians to change their lifestyle or conform to the "shithole" cities outside of it. We're merely pointing out the fact that Missoula is not the utopia so many Missoulians believe it is. For a glimpse into the mindset of the local economic brain trust, there is an excellent article in today's Missoulian with lots of "ideas" on how to bring benefits from the Bakken to Missoula.

 

[grizcountry420]

No one is telling Missoulians to change their lifestyle or conform to the "shithole" cities outside of it. We're merely pointing out the fact that Missoula is not the utopia so many Missoulians believe it is. For a glimpse into the mindset of the local economic brain trust, there is an excellent article in today's Missoulian with lots of "ideas" on how to bring benefits from the Bakken to Missoula.

I found that funny too... Drilling for oil in Montana will never explode like it did over in North Dakota. There are too many regulations in Montana. There are very few regulations in ND and Wyoming, thats why they're all over there drilling because they dont have all the tree huggers breathing down their necks...

 

[Jerry Punch]

No one is telling Missoulians to change their lifestyle or conform to the "shithole" cities outside of it. We're merely pointing out the fact that Missoula is not the utopia so many Missoulians believe it is. For a glimpse into the mindset of the local economic brain trust, there is an excellent article in today's Missoulian with lots of "ideas" on how to bring benefits from the Bakken to Missoula.

I found that funny too... Drilling for oil in Montana will never explode like it did over in North Dakota. There are too many regulations in Montana. There are very few regulations in ND and Wyoming, thats why they're all over there drilling because they dont have all the tree huggers breathing down their necks...

That, and despite what many Missoulians believe, Missoula is not the center of Montana.

 

[yellowstone60]

No one is telling Missoulians to change their lifestyle or conform to the "shithole" cities outside of it. We're merely pointing out the fact that Missoula is not the utopia so many Missoulians believe it is. For a glimpse into the mindset of the local economic brain trust, there is an excellent article in today's Missoulian with lots of "ideas" on how to bring benefits from the Bakken to Missoula.

I found that funny too... Drilling for oil in Montana will never explode like it did over in North Dakota. There are too many regulations in Montana. There are very few regulations in ND and Wyoming, thats why they're all over there drilling because they dont have all the tree huggers breathing down their necks...

That, and despite what many Missoulians believe, Missoula is not the center of Montana.

yep, that would probably be in Fergus County, 11 miles W of Lewistown. Longitude: 109(degrees) 38.3'W Latitude: 41(degrees) 1.9'N :thumb: