Good luck getting to games...

[zengriz]

...you get these issues...
...when you live behind...
...the granola curtain...

.... ...

 

[Ursa Major]

I think it's a great, progressive idea.... Makes driving less convenient and walking or biking more convenient. It encourages alternative transportation.

Walking and biking are "progressive"? That is what people did before the invention of the automobile therefore it is by definition "regressive". Or is the progressive agenda just the next episode of "Back to the Future"?

A progressive concept in my opinion would be one that accommodates the reality that people need jobs and so businesses need customers with reasonable access to them while doing its best to limit the impact on he environment, i.e., promotes sustainability. I think the progressives would like to turn Missoula into a big park where everyone works for the government and walks or bikes to their jobs. All of the greedy capitalists can just take their degenerate businesses elsewhere. Now THAT is a vision of Missoula's future and why I will not have a realistic chance to live there again until after I retire.

Any time the word "progressive" is used to describe something, it means that the person or movement is rooted in idiocy, and caters only to minorities. It is time that mainstream Americans stop this mindless B.S., and take back our country. This 5th-6th street thing does not surprise me, considering Missoula has become California North.

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

 

[snap]

I was hoping to come in here and start a fight but A) Ursa nailed it with his post and B) I don't see any mods currently participating.

 

[snap]

Oh, and by the way, I'm looking at buying a place in Butte. Seriously. Great town and people, very reasonable real estate prices and positions me perfectly for the twice a week or so wop chop from the Freeway tavern.

 

[Umista]

Missoula. Takes soooo long to get through it heading to the Airport.

Will take sooo long to get to and from Griz games.

I love Griz sports but the Libs. in Msla. are dumb downing the entire town.

The Mayor? Needs to lose weight!

 

[rimrockgriz]

Oh, and by the way, I'm looking at buying a place in Butte. Seriously. Great town and people, very reasonable real estate prices and positions me perfectly for the twice a week or so wop chop from the Freeway tavern.

I ate breakfast at the Freeway on Sunday for about ten years. Hot wings and a red beer to start out the day. The bike trails in Rimrock are quite insulated from main stream traffic. I don't see many rimrock drivers sharing the road...it would get ugly fast. That being said, the trail system is quite extensive. :egriz:

 

[hm.grwn.grizfan]

I think it's a great, progressive idea.... Makes driving less convenient and walking or biking more convenient. It encourages alternative transportation.

Walking and biking are "progressive"? That is what people did before the invention of the automobile therefore it is by definition "regressive". Or is the progressive agenda just the next episode of "Back to the Future"?

A progressive concept in my opinion would be one that accommodates the reality that people need jobs and so businesses need customers with reasonable access to them while doing its best to limit the impact on he environment, i.e., promotes sustainability. I think the progressives would like to turn Missoula into a big park where everyone works for the government and walks or bikes to their jobs. All of the greedy capitalists can just take their degenerate businesses elsewhere. Now THAT is a vision of Missoula's future and why I will not have a realistic chance to live there again until after I retire.

Any time the word "progressive" is used to describe something, it means that the person or movement is rooted in idiocy, and caters only to minorities. It is time that mainstream Americans stop this mindless B.S., and take back our country. This 5th-6th street thing does not surprise me, considering Missoula has become California North.

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

Ursa, you hit the nail on the head :thumb:

 

[kemajic]

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

I always laugh when Missoulians defend their politics and everywhere else is a "shithole city." While Missoulians kill jobs and whine about not having new ones served to them on a silver platter, the people in the "shithole cities" prefer progressive economies to progressive ideologies. They prefer their kids be educated in a balanced political environment and escape brainwashing. They have jobs that pay them fairly for their hard work and their only concern about Missoula and its liberal beings is their ability to attend football games of their beloved alma mater. They get into town, drop a lot of money and get back to their "shithole cities" in which they prefer to live and work. They realize Missoulians do not aprreciate their economic contributions (made because of the Griz, not because of anything else Missoula) and could care less. But they do not appreciate the "more intelligent than thow" talkdown of the progressives, whether in Missoula, Washington D.C, California or anywhere else.

 

[rimrockgriz]

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

I always laugh when Missoulians defend their politics and everywhere else is a "shithole city." While Missoulians kill jobs and whine about not having new ones served to them on a silver platter, the people in the "shithole cities" prefer progressive economies to progressive ideologies. They prefer their kids be educated in a balanced political environment and escape brainwashing. They have jobs that pay them fairly for their hard work and their only concern about Missoula and its liberal beings is their ability to attend football games of their beloved alma mater. They get into town, drop a lot of money and get back to their "shithole cities" in which they prefer to live and work. They realize Missoulians do not aprreciate their economic contributions (made because of the Griz, not because of anything else Missoula) and could care less. But they do not appreciate the "more intelligent than thow" talkdown of the progressives, whether in Missoula, Washington D.C, California or anywhere else.

+1...this post is a javelin to the heart. :egriz:

 

[CDAGRIZ]

As far as local and state governments go, all of you who live in MT have it soooooo good. I think CA might legalize robbery one day as long as the perp was an underprivileged person who "had no choice."

 

[kemajic]

As far as local and state governments go, all of you who live in MT have it soooooo good. I think CA might legalize robbery one day as long as the perp was an underprivileged person who "had no choice."

Isn't Missoula now in CA?

 

[Ursa Major]

I always laugh when these threads about Missoula become political. You have a host of shithole cities to live in in Montana. By all means live there. You have a conservative city with a university 204 miles to the Southeast. By all means, go root for them. Missoula has been a liberal bastion since at least the early 70's. That covers the adult lives of most posters on this board. It's a town with lots of poets and writers and it is a town that embraces the arts. It's liberal and progressive. That's what makes it unique and special and gives it character (see also: Butte). If you want to live in a city like Great Falls or Billings, good for you, but why try and tear down something that makes another community stand out and the reason why many people want to live in that community?

I always laugh when Missoulians defend their politics and everywhere else is a "shithole city." While Missoulians kill jobs and whine about not having new ones served to them on a silver platter, the people in the "shithole cities" prefer progressive economies to progressive ideologies. They prefer their kids be educated in a balanced political environment and escape brainwashing. They have jobs that pay them fairly for their hard work and their only concern about Missoula and its liberal beings is their ability to attend football games of their beloved alma mater. They get into town, drop a lot of money and get back to their "shithole cities" in which they prefer to live and work. They realize Missoulians do not aprreciate their economic contributions (made because of the Griz, not because of anything else Missoula) and could care less. But they do not appreciate the "more intelligent than thow" talkdown of the progressives, whether in Missoula, Washington D.C, California or anywhere else.

Kem,

1) I enjoy your posts and we surely need a "You damn kids, stay off my lawn" poster like you here.
2) I don't live in Missoula, I haven't lived there for 24 years.
3) If Missoulians want to live the way they live, that is their business. If you want to change it, move there and vote or run for election. Would you like it if the people of Missoula demanded that the people of Billings host a gay pride parade? We're Montanans for god's sake, we have a long history of being libertarians. We also have a long history of minding our own goddamn business.
4) You seem to be a free market guy, following those principles, if you don't like the product or feel like you're ignored than find another program to support. You have Rocky and Eastern to support in Billings and good ol' shit-kicking Bozeman would save you a lot of gas money in he fall.
5) When I fist moved to Missoula, in the 80's, the bikers and pedestrians drove me nuts. My roughneck, usually covered by a carhartt, would chaff at all those people in Missoula walking out in front of my truck. Then I learned to appreciate Missoula for what it is. If you feel that Missoula doesn't appreciate your contribution than by all mean stay home and support the Billings' schools.

I would suggest that you just accept the way they want to live and either go with it or cease to support the city through your lodging and generous donations to the Missoula Tavern Association each fall. No need to be upset by it one way or the other..

 

[rimrockgriz]

As far as local and state governments go, all of you who live in MT have it soooooo good. I think CA might legalize robbery one day as long as the perp was an underprivileged person who "had no choice."

Thanks for my laugh before I roll out the door...you guys f.....g rock...even the egrizzers I don't agree with :lol: :lol: :lol: :egriz: The post of the day for me.

 

[Tod]

I think it's a great, progressive idea.... Makes driving less convenient and walking or biking more convenient. It encourages alternative transportation.

Walking and biking are "progressive"? That is what people did before the invention of the automobile therefore it is by definition "regressive". Or is the progressive agenda just the next episode of "Back to the Future"?

A progressive concept in my opinion would be one that accommodates the reality that people need jobs and so businesses need customers with reasonable access to them while doing its best to limit the impact on he environment, i.e., promotes sustainability. I think the progressives would like to turn Missoula into a big park where everyone works for the government and walks or bikes to their jobs. All of the greedy capitalists can just take their degenerate businesses elsewhere. Now THAT is a vision of Missoula's future and why I will not have a realistic chance to live there again until after I retire.

Any time the word "progressive" is used to describe something, it means that the person or movement is rooted in idiocy, and caters only to minorities. It is time that mainstream Americans stop this mindless B.S., and take back our country. This 5th-6th street thing does not surprise me, considering Missoula has become California North.

You're an idiot.

 

[billings_poke]

Kem,

1) I enjoy your posts and we surely need a "You damn kids, stay off my lawn" poster like you here.
2) I don't live in Missoula, I haven't lived there for 24 years.
3) If Missoulians want to live the way they live, that is their business. If you want to change it, move there and vote or run for election. Would you like it if the people of Missoula demanded that the people of Billings host a gay pride parade? We're Montanans for god's sake, we have a long history of being libertarians. We also have a long history of minding our own goddamn business.
4) You seem to be a free market guy, following those principles, if you don't like the product or feel like you're ignored than find another program to support. You have Rocky and Eastern to support in Billings and good ol' shit-kicking Bozeman would save you a lot of gas money in he fall.
5) When I fist moved to Missoula, in the 80's, the bikers and pedestrians drove me nuts. My roughneck, usually covered by a carhartt, would chaff at all those people in Missoula walking out in front of my truck. Then I learned to appreciate Missoula for what it is. If you feel that Missoula doesn't appreciate your contribution than by all mean stay home and support the Billings' schools.

I would suggest that you just accept the way they want to live and either go with it or cease to support the city through your lodging and generous donations to the Missoula Tavern Association each fall. No need to be upset by it one way or the other..

Billings has had Gay parades actually with over 500 participants. For libertarians we sure have a long history of electing democrats to statewide offices.

I do agree with your general point that each community has a unique spirit and you have to adjust or learn to live with it if you live there. Don't move to Portland if you don't like that energy that goes on there for example because it is not going to change. However I don't think you understand Billings much

 

[Jerry Punch]

Kem has a good point and it has to be expanded on. Missoula's economy is entirely service-oriented based on funding to the University of Montana. Other professions based in Missoula directly benefit from the existence of the school, which benefits from the existence of tax dollars and student loans. If any one of those two sources of funding are decreased, Missoula would undoubtedly suffer. There is no doubt that the school drives almost everything in Missoula.

This is why much of what Missoulians do is not based in reality. Their perception of progress is based solely on their insulation from the outside world where one must understand the value of a dollar and how hard it is to earn it. When lifestyles are funded by loan and tax dollars producing PhD baristas, that economic model is not sustainable.

I'm no Griz fan, but Missoula has an obligation to make itself more appealing and sustainable to people who fund it. Whether you are a Griz fan or a tax payer in the State of Montana, it is completely within your rights to criticize a town and mayor that have been quite successful in driving businesses out of the area in the name of progress. Missoulians forget that most of Montana is not like Missoula at all. Montana as a whole will benefit from each city doing well. Unfortunately, we can't count on Missoula to do much of anything other than to provide us a good party, of course after we have all picked up the tab.

 

[Ursa Major]

Kem,

1) I enjoy your posts and we surely need a "You damn kids, stay off my lawn" poster like you here.
2) I don't live in Missoula, I haven't lived there for 24 years.
3) If Missoulians want to live the way they live, that is their business. If you want to change it, move there and vote or run for election. Would you like it if the people of Missoula demanded that the people of Billings host a gay pride parade? We're Montanans for god's sake, we have a long history of being libertarians. We also have a long history of minding our own goddamn business.
4) You seem to be a free market guy, following those principles, if you don't like the product or feel like you're ignored than find another program to support. You have Rocky and Eastern to support in Billings and good ol' shit-kicking Bozeman would save you a lot of gas money in he fall.
5) When I fist moved to Missoula, in the 80's, the bikers and pedestrians drove me nuts. My roughneck, usually covered by a carhartt, would chaff at all those people in Missoula walking out in front of my truck. Then I learned to appreciate Missoula for what it is. If you feel that Missoula doesn't appreciate your contribution than by all mean stay home and support the Billings' schools.

I would suggest that you just accept the way they want to live and either go with it or cease to support the city through your lodging and generous donations to the Missoula Tavern Association each fall. No need to be upset by it one way or the other..

Billings has had Gay parades actually with over 500 participants. For libertarians we sure have a long history of electing democrats to statewide offices.

I do agree with your general point that each community has a unique spirit and you have to adjust or learn to live with it if you live there. Don't move to Portland if you don't like that energy that goes on there for example because it is not going to change. However I don't think you understand Billings much

Poke,

Small "l" libertarian. I could care less about Billings, it's was an example.

 

[Jerry Punch]

And Ursa, your perception of Bozeman is completely dated. Bozeman hosts a number of successful high tech businesses with people (some of them even UM graduates!) who actually innovate and try to improve their lives. While Bozeman undoubtedly benefits from MSU being in town and would suffer without it, there are citizens working there who create instead of leeching off of others.

 

[kemajic]

Kem has a good point and it has to be expanded on. Missoula's economy is entirely service-oriented based on funding to the University of Montana. Other professions based in Missoula directly benefit from the existence of the school, which benefits from the existence of tax dollars and student loans. If any one of those two sources of funding are decreased, Missoula would undoubtedly suffer. There is no doubt that the school drives almost everything in Missoula.

This is why much of what Missoulians do is not based in reality. Their perception of progress is based solely on their insulation from the outside world where one must understand the value of a dollar and how hard it is to earn it. When lifestyles are funded by loan and tax dollars producing PhD baristas, that economic model is not sustainable.

I'm no Griz fan, but Missoula has an obligation to make itself more appealing and sustainable to people who fund it. Whether you are a Griz fan or a tax payer in the State of Montana, it is completely within your rights to criticize a town and mayor that have been quite successful in driving businesses out of the area in the name of progress. Missoulians forget that most of Montana is not like Missoula at all. Montana as a whole will benefit from each city doing well. Unfortunately, we can't count on Missoula to do much of anything other than to provide us a good party, of course after we have all picked up the tab.

I was going to respond to your first post until I read this one, which is right on. I made no pretense that Missoula should change, just made the response that they have no right to look down their nose at the rest of the state. And that they can't have it both ways ecomonically; clearly they can't justify the better economies in the "shithole cities", as obvious as it is. It bothers me not to spend fall weekends in Missoula and drop coin for the right to watch the Griz. The town is full of Griz fans on game weekends and a high percentage of those out are not from Missoula. I'm not there to enjoy today's Missoula culture; I'm a Griz fan; UM happens to still be in Missoula. Missoulians get no lecture from me on how to live their lives, I just expect the same from them.

 

[Iowagriz]

I moved out of Missoula in 94, but visit about twice a year since then for family. I am also a very active cyclist.

Brint - cyclist's pay taxes too, don't use that old arguement that they need to fund the roads to use the roads. Your gas tax, registration, etc doesn't come close to funding the full cost of the roads. Yes, I realize that the average Missoula granola doesn't own a car, but again, that funding is very minimal.

However, 5th and 6th street for cyclists? That doesn't make any sense to me. If you want to slow down traffic, or create a safer road, don't use the cyclist as the excuse. The bike path along the river takes me across the same part of town. If I need to visit something on Higgins (south), I'd take the path and then south. No need for bikes on 5th/6th.

As I said above, I ride a lot. Commute a lot by bike. A smart cyclist/commuter avoids major roads. If anything, the smart cyclist would use the road one street south (Eddy?).