Give the Man Some Time

[AZGrizFan]

Serious question; so when does Hauck's clock start ticking? I have read at least a dozen reasons why he cannot (or should not) be accountable for the Griz record this year. Is next year the year? If not then the same people who say no need to also grant that then Stitt's first two years weren't his fault either. And that means he got one whole year to prove himself as a coach. Frankly I think you take the reins and it is all on you -- NO EXCUSES. The fact is it appears that Hauck and company haven't been able to get the most out of the copious amount of talent they inherited. Period. Next year had better be a whole lot better. The clock is ticking right now.

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

 

[PlayerRep]

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

How is it that Hawkins is able to coach up existing talent in year two to be undefeated in FCS games going into week 9, while we're already lining up excuses for another 5 win season next year? And which part of giving up 41 straight in week 7 and 46 straight in week 8 makes you think Baer is any better than Semore? I've already seen more 3rd & 15+ plays given up this year than in all of Semore's tenure here.

Are you asking how come Hauck can't do in half a year, what Hawkins has done in 1.5 years? If so, I would suggest one important. Let's us the question next year at this time. Hawkins wasn't setting the world on fire last year: "They finished the season 5–6, 3–5 in Big Sky play to finish in eighth place." Let's also wait to see how UM's season ends this year.

Another answer is that Hawkins doesn't have an o-line with zero seniors on the roster. I doubt that he is starting 2 walk-ons and another recruited as a linebacker who was playing d-line at the beginning of this season. Don't know if he lost a good player to concussions this year. Don't know if his best and most experienced o-lineman didn't play last Saturday and fighting hard to be on the field.

The Griz started and played 2 redshirt frosh and either 2 redshirt soph (or a redshirt junior), and 1 redshirt junior who wasn't even playing the position at the start of the season. I don't know who got most of the playing time at center. Obviously, the redshirt junior is not very experienced at o-line. 5 starts?

Hawkins also has a terrific qb. While I like Sneed, it would be great to have Maier. Don't recall exactly how good Maier was in the past, but he is terrific this year and was really terrific on Saturday.

Judging from Hauck quotes, he seemed to have been saying all along that it will probably be year 3 before the Griz will be clicking. I thought more like year 2. Now, I'm not sure. Will have to see the next 3 games.

 

[PlayerRep]

Serious question; so when does Hauck's clock start ticking? I have read at least a dozen reasons why he cannot (or should not) be accountable for the Griz record this year. Is next year the year? If not then the same people who say no need to also grant that then Stitt's first two years weren't his fault either. And that means he got one whole year to prove himself as a coach. Frankly I think you take the reins and it is all on you -- NO EXCUSES. The fact is it appears that Hauck and company haven't been able to get the most out of the copious amount of talent they inherited. Period. Next year had better be a whole lot better. The clock is ticking right now.

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

Last 12 quarters? What didn't you like about the first 2 quarters last weekend. Even most of the 3d quarter.

 

[RayWill]

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

How is it that Hawkins is able to coach up existing talent in year two to be undefeated in FCS games going into week 9, while we're already lining up excuses for another 5 win season next year? And which part of giving up 41 straight in week 7 and 46 straight in week 8 makes you think Baer is any better than Semore? I've already seen more 3rd & 15+ plays given up this year than in all of Semore's tenure here.

Not making excuses at all. Last year through the receiving core for UC Davis was excellent as well as a great QB the Oline was inexperienced and the Defensive backs were young but they never had the complete collapses that the Griz faced. The only game they were not in it until almost the end was Weber. They were right on the cusp of being good Hawkins brought them back to fundamentals over the offseason and they are right back in it. Compared to this years Griz looking more like a dumpster fire. In Baers defense most of those points came on the short field and tough situations for any defense. They were not a fault of the scheme or the inability to stop a team at all. Overall this season the defense has done admirably but been asked to be superhuman above and beyond what they should due to an anemic offense. The problems this years D has faced were not so much do to scheme as they were with Semore. Such as MT unable to play zone coverage at all last year.

sounds like excuses to me. lots of excuses.

NO iexpect improvement, wheter it is coaching the curernt players up or getting the talent in to do the job. If bobby can't do either then he is not doing his job. I am just sayin g idon't have much confidence in it happening as I think MT is in way worse shape right now then UC davis was last year. I question if MT would have been able to beat UC Davis last year

 

[Grisly Fan]

“copious amount of talent”

Surely this group you speak formed the core of the successfully 2017 team, having beaten state ag, secured the conference autobid & made a notable playoff run in the one year Stitt had... wait, never mind.

We’re not watching the same games.

You don't think that there is a lot of talent on the team? You are right, we are not watching the same games. There is not enough talent at a few key positions which overshadows a lot of talent the Griz do have. Fix a few key spots and coach them a whole lot better in 4 halves of football and we'd have a whole different story.

 

[PlayerRep]

“copious amount of talent”

Surely this group you speak formed the core of the successfully 2017 team, having beaten state ag, secured the conference autobid & made a notable playoff run in the one year Stitt had... wait, never mind.

We’re not watching the same games.

You don't think that there is a lot of talent on the team? You are right, we are not watching the same games. There is not enough talent at a few key positions which overshadows a lot of talent the Griz do have. Fix a few key spots and coach them a whole lot better in 4 halves of football and we'd have a whole different story.

Okay, please tell us more. How would you fix the few key spots? How would you coach them bettering the 4 bad halves, or even in the last bad half (or 4th quarter).

 

[AZGrizFan]

Serious question; so when does Hauck's clock start ticking? I have read at least a dozen reasons why he cannot (or should not) be accountable for the Griz record this year. Is next year the year? If not then the same people who say no need to also grant that then Stitt's first two years weren't his fault either. And that means he got one whole year to prove himself as a coach. Frankly I think you take the reins and it is all on you -- NO EXCUSES. The fact is it appears that Hauck and company haven't been able to get the most out of the copious amount of talent they inherited. Period. Next year had better be a whole lot better. The clock is ticking right now.

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

Last 12 quarters? What didn't you like about the first 2 quarters last weekend. Even most of the 3d quarter.

We've been down this road before. We don't get participation ribbons for winning quarters. For the record, we didn't go 3-1 last weekend. Or even 2-2. We are 0-3 in the past three weekends and there's a whole lotta shitty football been played in that timeframe.

edit: here's what I didn't like...the collapse against UC-D was totally predictable. Even up 21-3 you knew it was inevitable. Hell, it's gotten to the point where even the PLAYERS expect it.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

Last 12 quarters? What didn't you like about the first 2 quarters last weekend. Even most of the 3d quarter.

We've been down this road before. We don't get participation ribbons for winning quarters. For the record, we didn't go 3-1 last weekend. Or even 2-2. We are 0-3 in the past three weekends and there's a whole lotta shitty football been played in that timeframe.

edit: here's what I didn't like...the collapse against UC-D was totally predictable. Even up 21-3 you knew it was inevitable. Hell, it's gotten to the point where even the PLAYERS expect it.

I hated that part, too. I felt it for sure. It's just part of #splainin'szn

 

[RayWill]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

 

[jodcon]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

My guess is he had a seizure or was distracted by a sex robot while posting.

 

[Grisly Fan]

“copious amount of talent”

Surely this group you speak formed the core of the successfully 2017 team, having beaten state ag, secured the conference autobid & made a notable playoff run in the one year Stitt had... wait, never mind.

We’re not watching the same games.

You don't think that there is a lot of talent on the team? You are right, we are not watching the same games. There is not enough talent at a few key positions which overshadows a lot of talent the Griz do have. Fix a few key spots and coach them a whole lot better in 4 halves of football and we'd have a whole different story.

Okay, please tell us more. How would you fix the few key spots? How would you coach them bettering the 4 bad halves, or even in the last bad half (or 4th quarter).

Not my job.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

The season of 'splainin'.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

My guess is he had a seizure or was distracted by a sex robot while posting.

Both are true, with a causal link between the latter and former.

 

[PlayerRep]

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

Last 12 quarters? What didn't you like about the first 2 quarters last weekend. Even most of the 3d quarter.

We've been down this road before. We don't get participation ribbons for winning quarters. For the record, we didn't go 3-1 last weekend. Or even 2-2. We are 0-3 in the past three weekends and there's a whole lotta shitty football been played in that timeframe.

edit: here's what I didn't like...the collapse against UC-D was totally predictable. Even up 21-3 you knew it was inevitable. Hell, it's gotten to the point where even the PLAYERS expect it.

Not looking for participation ribbons. Asked you a question. Why can't you just answer it, instead of ducking it.

And, you are the one that said 12 quarters. If you didn't want the good quarters to be discussed, why didn't you say the last 3 games?

 

[PlayerRep]

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

If he goes 7-4 I'll shut up forever about all this. For EVER. There is literally zero reasons from the last 12 quarters of football to think there's even a shred of possibility that we go 7-4. Less chance than Lloyd Christmas had with Mary Swanson.

Last 12 quarters? What didn't you like about the first 2 quarters last weekend. Even most of the 3d quarter.

We've been down this road before. We don't get participation ribbons for winning quarters. For the record, we didn't go 3-1 last weekend. Or even 2-2. We are 0-3 in the past three weekends and there's a whole lotta shitty football been played in that timeframe.

edit: here's what I didn't like...the collapse against UC-D was totally predictable. Even up 21-3 you knew it was inevitable. Hell, it's gotten to the point where even the PLAYERS expect it.

I didn't think it was predictable. I had already written my Told You So thread/post in my head, for predicting a Davis win.

 

[PlayerRep]

“copious amount of talent”

Surely this group you speak formed the core of the successfully 2017 team, having beaten state ag, secured the conference autobid & made a notable playoff run in the one year Stitt had... wait, never mind.

We’re not watching the same games.

You don't think that there is a lot of talent on the team? You are right, we are not watching the same games. There is not enough talent at a few key positions which overshadows a lot of talent the Griz do have. Fix a few key spots and coach them a whole lot better in 4 halves of football and we'd have a whole different story.

Okay, please tell us more. How would you fix the few key spots? How would you coach them bettering the 4 bad halves, or even in the last bad half (or 4th quarter).

Not my job.

No one said it was your job.

You said there is not enough talent at a few key spots, and they should be fixed. What's your basis for saying that? What spots? How should they be fixed? If you don't know how to fix them, just say so.

You coaches should coach better to avoid the 4 bad halves. What should the coaches do to coach better for those gaps? If you don't know, just say so.

 

[Dutch Lane]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

The season of 'splainin'.

You come across as the most self satisfied prick on egriz (sorry Az) with your incessant inane posts mocking the griz. Wow

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

The season of 'splainin'.

You come across as the most self satisfied prick on egriz (sorry Az) with your incessant inane posts mocking the griz. Wow

Never once mocked the Griz, and I won't resort to name calling.
We have some big issues to correct in the next three games, and by the end of next year. If we don't close this season out and at least be in a playoff discussion at this time next year, do you seriously not think there will be 'splainin' to do? Further, check the title of the thread. Full faith the man will turn this around if he gets some time. Carry on, Dutch.

 

[poorgriz]

Okay, I will bite. WTF is #splainin'szn

The season of 'splainin'.

You come across as the most self satisfied prick on egriz (sorry Az) with your incessant inane posts mocking the griz. Wow

Never once mocked the Griz, and I won't resort to name calling.
We have some big issues to correct in the next three games, and by the end of next year. If we don't close this season out and at least be in a playoff discussion at this time next year, do you seriously not think there will be 'splainin' to do? Further, check the title of the thread. Full faith the man will turn this around if he gets some time. Carry on, Dutch.

:lol: :lol: You are friggin brilliant

 

[Dutch Lane]

I simply commented that your posts make you come across as a more self satisfied prick then Az. That’s not name calling it’s just my opinion of your posts. When the team has been up against it and the breaks have been beating the fellas this season you have just been enjoying it a little too much. Wow just wow.