Give the Man Some Time

[grizindabox]

Winning down the road may be the ultimate goal, but being worse than last year certainly wasn't what most of us expected....

Maybe because most had unrealistic expectations.

That's exactly right. Most of us real fans knew this was going to be a tough year. When Bobby was hired, I'll admit I was thinking about not being an embarrassment and maybe even making the playoffs. I was told to be patient. Nobody can perform miracles with this roster that went 7-4 last year with a loss to #7 Washington. It got tougher with the unexpected and uncalled for quitting that was nobody's fault at all. Over the summer, Bobby and I figured this was a 3 to 4 win team. So, the way I see it, we are already ahead of schedule on the #RTD.

I think the actual results have proven most expectations unrealistic.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Winning down the road may be the ultimate goal, but being worse than last year certainly wasn't what most of us expected....

Maybe because most had unrealistic expectations.

That's exactly right. Most of us real fans knew this was going to be a tough year. When Bobby was hired, I'll admit I was thinking about not being an embarrassment and maybe even making the playoffs. I was told to be patient. Nobody can perform miracles with this roster that went 7-4 last year with a loss to #7 Washington. It got tougher with the unexpected and uncalled for quitting that was nobody's fault at all. Over the summer, Bobby and I figured this was a 3 to 4 win team. So, the way I see it, we are already ahead of schedule on the #RTD.

I think the actual results have proven most expectations unrealistic.

Correct. Those expectations would have been more realistic if the team won more football games. For instance, if I expected the Grizzlies to be, say, 6-2 at this point in the season, and the team won 6 games but lost 2 games, that would have been a realistic expectation. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face, right?

 

[grizindabox]

Maybe because most had unrealistic expectations.

That's exactly right. Most of us real fans knew this was going to be a tough year. When Bobby was hired, I'll admit I was thinking about not being an embarrassment and maybe even making the playoffs. I was told to be patient. Nobody can perform miracles with this roster that went 7-4 last year with a loss to #7 Washington. It got tougher with the unexpected and uncalled for quitting that was nobody's fault at all. Over the summer, Bobby and I figured this was a 3 to 4 win team. So, the way I see it, we are already ahead of schedule on the #RTD.

I think the actual results have proven most expectations unrealistic.

Correct. Those expectations would have been more realistic if the team won more football games. For instance, if I expected the Grizzlies to be, say, 6-2 at this point in the season, and the team won 6 games but lost 2 games, that would have been a realistic expectation. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face, right?

I always thought is was kicked in the nuts, but alas, you are correct.

 

[Ursus1]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

 

[grizindabox]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

 

[Ursus1]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

 

[RayWill]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

 

[PlayerRep]

Let's just make a rule that any coach who loses to Cats twice in row and doesn't make playoffs two years in a row, or loses three games in row, is fired immediately. Replacement coach determination is rotated among AD, President and Big Boosters. And, if a coach starts winning and stays too long, we'll create a term limit. I'll have to think about the number. I'd like the number to be realistic.

 

[grizindabox]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

I think 3 years minimum.

 

[RayWill]

Let's just make a rule that any coach who loses to Cats twice in row and doesn't make playoffs two years in a row, or loses three games in row, is fired immediately. Replacement coach determination is rotated among AD, President and Big Boosters. And, if a coach starts winning and stays too long, we'll create a term limit. I'll have to think about the number. I'd like the number to be realistic.

Good one. I hear yah. I am pretty sure by year three we will see enough to keep Bobby around for a long time. Gotta have some consistency somewhere.

 

[reinell30]

I placed a bet with several Cat fan friends of mine that the Griz would be in the NC within THREE years!

 

[Ursus1]

I think a win over the Cats would be huge. I know just one game, but Griz Nation will be tough to live with if the Cats get 3 in a row....it is truly a trend (not yet a streak, but getting damn close). To get any border line Cat/Griz recruits winning those games is so important. Kids want to be on the winning side of all the in state trash talking. If Bobby wants to win with Montana kids, it really needs the blue chip Montana kids and not just "project" kids. Of course an occasional walk on becomes a stud, but can't bank on that happening very often.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by reinell30 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:47 pm

I placed a bet with several Cat fan friends of mine that the Griz would be in the NC within THREE years!

Can anyone else have part of that action? I'm in for $100 right now, more if you are up for it.

 

[AZGrizFan]

UC Davis who just kicked Griz ass .....Hawkins took over a 3 win team (Bobby took over a 7 win team) improved first year to 5 wins (might be about same as Griz will end up) and now in his second year will likely win the conference and go into playoffs with a very high seed in his second season (with a young team). It can be done in shorter time than many think.

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

How is it that Hawkins is able to coach up existing talent in year two to be undefeated in FCS games going into week 9, while we're already lining up excuses for another 5 win season next year? And which part of giving up 41 straight in week 7 and 46 straight in week 8 makes you think Baer is any better than Semore? I've already seen more 3rd & 15+ plays given up this year than in all of Semore's tenure here.

 

[Grisly Fan]

The Bobcats allegedly played for the NC 34 years ago and I am pretty sure that they won't be there this year so I strongly believe Hauck should get a solid 35 years before we judge him as a failure for not winning an NC.

 

[RayWill]

It could....are you talking to all those 7-9 year guys?

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

How is it that Hawkins is able to coach up existing talent in year two to be undefeated in FCS games going into week 9, while we're already lining up excuses for another 5 win season next year? And which part of giving up 41 straight in week 7 and 46 straight in week 8 makes you think Baer is any better than Semore? I've already seen more 3rd & 15+ plays given up this year than in all of Semore's tenure here.

Not making excuses at all. Last year through the receiving core for UC Davis was excellent as well as a great QB the Oline was inexperienced and the Defensive backs were young but they never had the complete collapses that the Griz faced. The only game they were not in it until almost the end was Weber. They were right on the cusp of being good Hawkins brought them back to fundamentals over the offseason and they are right back in it. Compared to this years Griz looking more like a dumpster fire. In Baers defense most of those points came on the short field and tough situations for any defense. They were not a fault of the scheme or the inability to stop a team at all. Overall this season the defense has done admirably but been asked to be superhuman above and beyond what they should due to an anemic offense. The problems this years D has faced were not so much do to scheme as they were with Semore. Such as MT unable to play zone coverage at all last year.

 

[Grisly Fan]

Serious question; so when does Hauck's clock start ticking? I have read at least a dozen reasons why he cannot (or should not) be accountable for the Griz record this year. Is next year the year? If not then the same people who say no need to also grant that then Stitt's first two years weren't his fault either. And that means he got one whole year to prove himself as a coach. Frankly I think you take the reins and it is all on you -- NO EXCUSES. The fact is it appears that Hauck and company haven't been able to get the most out of the copious amount of talent they inherited. Period. Next year had better be a whole lot better. The clock is ticking right now.

 

[AZDoc]

Serious question; so when does Hauck's clock start ticking? I have read at least a dozen reasons why he cannot (or should not) be accountable for the Griz record this year. Is next year the year? If not then the same people who say no need to also grant that then Stitt's first two years weren't his fault either. And that means he got one whole year to prove himself as a coach. Frankly I think you take the reins and it is all on you -- NO EXCUSES. The fact is it appears that Hauck and company haven't been able to get the most out of the copious amount of talent they inherited. Period. Next year had better be a whole lot better. The clock is ticking right now.

I liked Stitt. Think he needed another year. He took other recruits and made them a playoff team the first year, then was developing "his" players after that. He was fired, BH hired. I like Hauck. He has NOT turned the players into a playoff team the first year. I think a good coach coaches what he has. I think, as I said from the beginning, the DC wasn't the best choice, but probably had to settle. Wouldn't surprise me if changes made there in the offseason. Clock ticks in my opinion from day 1. Let's say they are 7-4, which is possible, it's exactly what I thought at the beginning of the year. Next year, he will have a grasp on the program, with some added talent and depth (hopefully) via recruiting, JC, and drop downs. Year 2 needs to be better product. Year 3, then, needs to make something happen, otherwise it's Stitt all over again.

 

[bgbigdog]

“copious amount of talent”

Surely this group you speak formed the core of the successfully 2017 team, having beaten state ag, secured the conference autobid & made a notable playoff run in the one year Stitt had... wait, never mind.

We’re not watching the same games.

 

[argh!]

Or even the "needs 4 or 5" guys.
Next year should be better (no more PSU/ND debacles, or 46 point halves at home) or they are not making progress.....yes schedule is tougher and a loss is a guaranteed in Oregon so they will have losses, but how you lose is really a huge indicator of the teams status. Some times you get beat by better teams (UCD was better.....but the team lost it in a very disturbing way, panic, poor mental decisions, poor tackling, horrible coverage and seemed to show some "quit".

Then the 3rd year should be very good or something's wrong. Not meaning they better win it all, but damn sure better be next to or at top of this conference.

Agreed. But that will mostly depend on the ability for the staff to recruit some quality JC or dropdowns as the Griz need some serious holes filled with experience to have a shot next year. Right now if there is no improvement Griz will be most likely looking at 4 wins maybe outside at 5 wins next year. Statistically speaking you should see improvement from year one to year two and third year should be about where the program will be consistent. Fi there is regression after year three or no improvement then it is not a good sign. I was for giving Stitt more time as long as he was willing to let Semore go. He had to go. Bear is still a question mark for me but from what I have seen he is still heads and tails above Semore. I felt the offense was headed in the right direction. Bobby has a history here and that alone will give him some more wiggle room but if after three years there is no improvement then i will be jumping on the kill coach bandwagon. I really feel this year would have been different if the Oline was just a bit better and with a more accurate yet mobile QB. At the midway point, I was feeling confident next year would be a good year. Now the holes are evident. need new QB, better Backs more possession-oriented WR's but most of all some serious studs on the OLINE. the Oline alone would be good for a win or two I feel over this years record. PSU and WIU should have been wins. Add those two in and most people would be chalking up the two losses not to a coach but to a young team. At this point, it is obvious the horses aren't there and the kids aren't responding to the coaching staff. Hopefully, they can get that turned around. Closing out the last three with wins would sure help.

How is it that Hawkins is able to coach up existing talent in year two to be undefeated in FCS games going into week 9, while we're already lining up excuses for another 5 win season next year? And which part of giving up 41 straight in week 7 and 46 straight in week 8 makes you think Baer is any better than Semore? I've already seen more 3rd & 15+ plays given up this year than in all of Semore's tenure here.

Not making excuses at all. Last year through the receiving core for UC Davis was excellent as well as a great QB the Oline was inexperienced and the Defensive backs were young but they never had the complete collapses that the Griz faced. The only game they were not in it until almost the end was Weber. They were right on the cusp of being good Hawkins brought them back to fundamentals over the offseason and they are right back in it. Compared to this years Griz looking more like a dumpster fire. In Baers defense most of those points came on the short field and tough situations for any defense. They were not a fault of the scheme or the inability to stop a team at all. Overall this season the defense has done admirably but been asked to be superhuman above and beyond what they should due to an anemic offense. The problems this years D has faced were not so much do to scheme as they were with Semore. Such as MT unable to play zone coverage at all last year.

sounds like excuses to me. lots of excuses.