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Georgia Southern: Could have moved up years ago
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Potomac Griz said:
I would hope their attendance would go up, at least initially. However, note that it went down during the season. Note that the biggest game was the former FCS team App St. Note the poor conference game attendance, minus App St. Doesn't surprise me that GS fans weren't interested in those 3 yayner conference games.
Looks like attendance was increasing steadily when they were still in FCS and playoff-eligible.
EverettGriz said:
UM's budget deficit? Who cares about that, you small-minded flat earthers? We must move up (of course the all-wise Silvertip was supporting WAC membership which was a brilliant idea).
Potomac Griz
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PlayerRep said:
Depends on who they are playing. Note how their attendance varied quite a bit during their FCS years too. vs App? 20k. vs South Carolina State? 10k. Vs Presbyterian? 16k, etc etc.
As for the "poor" conference attendance, it's better than the average conference attendance when they were in the FCS the last 3 years. And again that's without them being bowl eligible so no post season while the last 3 FCS years they were eligible for postseason play.
Home conference games last year (FBS) - 20,597 average:
App State - 24,535
Idaho - 23,250
Troy - 18,321
UL-Monroe - 16,283
Home Conference games in the previous 3 FCS seasons:
2010: Conference Home Attendance - 18,780
vs Elon - 18,302
vs Wofford - 21,403
vs Samford - 15,341
vs App State - 20,073
2011: Conference Home Attendance - 19,322
vs Western Carolina - 19,067
vs Chatttanooga - 20,593
vs Furman - 19,221
vs Citadel - 18,408
2012: Average Home Attendance (Not counting playoffs) - 20,581
vs Elon - 18,353
vs Samford - 20,832
vs Wofford - 20,983
vs App State - 22,155
In fact the "yawner" Idaho game drew more fans than any of their home games in their last 3 FCS seasons when they were eligible for the post season.
PlayerRep said:
Some step into it with one of their feet, you somehow have naively stepped into it with both... Remember Wyoming, Colorado State (nee A&M), New Mexico, and Utah State? They were already viewed as peers when UM was a member of the Skyline Conference back thru the mid 50's. For a variety of reasons - good and bad - Montana elected then to disassociate itself from the group. Looking today at the current regional map of primary land grant colleges and universities you'll find among others Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, San Diego State, Fresno State - plus BYU and the US Air Force Academy - schools that in the main are respected for both their undergraduate and research programs - with not a Tier 3 or 4 compass directional or subway commuter D2 defector in the bunch.
Note: It's uncommon for you to toss up such a big fat softball begging to be be hit out of the ballpark - particularly when topped with a strangely off target nod to Harvard... Harvard?!.. right, Mr Relevant. :thumb: Thx...
Potomac Griz
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PlayerRep said:
You love shifting the goalposts when the stats show something you don't want them to show don't you?
First you start out trying to imply they have bad (and falling) attendance for their home games. I provide the actual attendance numbers showing that they've actually gone up since moving to the FBS and there are several games they played at the FCS levels (depending on competition) where they didn't draw great too, including one at around 10,000 people only.
Next, you shift to claiming they had "poor" conference attendance. So I provide the actual attendance numbers again to show it's not actually "poor" and it went up (yes very slightly) again.
So now you've shifted into the "well it didn't go up enough so nyaaaaah" mode it seems. Give up man... their attendance went up over all, it went up in conference games and it wasn't "poor" (unless the years at FCS were even more poor). Yeah, I know that doesn't fit your agenda of it being a horrible mistake for them to have moved up, but it's the reality of the situation that their attendance is not getting worse but in fact improving. It'll continue to improve I bet once they are bowl eligible too since there will be more interest towards the end of the season.
I'd love to live in PR's world. Reality, seeminlgly, is whatever he deems it.
Potomac Griz said:PlayerRep said:
You love shifting the goalposts when the stats show something you don't want them to show don't you?
First you start out trying to imply they have bad (and falling) attendance for their home games. I provide the actual attendance numbers showing that they've actually gone up since moving to the FBS and there are several games they played at the FCS levels (depending on competition) where they didn't draw great too, including one at around 10,000 people only.
Next, you shift to claiming they had "poor" conference attendance. So I provide the actual attendance numbers again to show it's not actually "poor" and it went up (yes very slightly) again.
So now you've shifted into the "well it didn't go up enough so nyaaaaah" mode it seems. Give up man... their attendance went up over all, it went up in conference games and it wasn't "poor" (unless the years at FCS were even more poor). Yeah, I know that doesn't fit your agenda of it being a horrible mistake for them to have moved up, but it's the reality of the situation that their attendance is not getting worse but in fact improving. It'll continue to improve I bet once they are bowl eligible too since there will be more interest towards the end of the season.
Nope, no shifting goal posts by me. Just straw men and misinterpretations by you. Here is what I said in the initial post that, for some reason, caused you go nuts. You apparently can't see or understand that I said that LAST YEAR, in their 5 home games, the attendance went down. Note the attendance of the last 2 games. They are much lower than the first 3 games. While I appreciate your stats, you ought to look more carefully at what people post, and not run off trying to put words in their mouth or creating straw men to attack. On the other hand, I do like how should you showed that home conference attendance increased by 16 last year. That was pretty funny. Nice job.
"Last year, GS had, at home (5 games, declining attendance):
Savannah St - 83-9 - 23,121
App St - 34-13 - 24,535
Idaho - 47-24 - 23,250
Troy - 42-10 - 18,321
UL Monroe - 22-16 - 16,283"
PlayerRep said:
I read rather well, thank you.
What I don't read is about 90% of the drivel you post.
Potomac Griz
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PlayerRep said:
You're flailing wildly in the wind at this point man. Anyone who has seen your posts on moving up in the past knows exactly what you were trying to do. Unfortunately it got smacked down once again by evidence.
Oh I read what you said, and since this is a thread about Georgia Southern moving up it was pretty clear your motive was to try to make it sound like there is declining interest in Georgia Southern since they moved up. Just like you've done in the past. So I provided the evidence to show that nope, there isn't declining interest in Georgia Southern, and in fact their attendance overall has gone up. I also pointed out that while yes the last two games had lower attendance it isn't unusual for Georgia Southern to have a couple games on their schedule with lower attendance. Again I provided evidence of this.
You didn't like that of course, so you decided to shift the goalposts to the argument of "well their conference attendance is poor." Again I provided stats showing that their conference attendance (while it didn't drastically improve) had actually gone up too.
As for me "going nuts" when you posted it? No I actually find it hilarious how intent you are at trying to prove moving up is a mistake for other teams when often the stats don't back it up. So you cherry pick a few things (like the two games at the end of the year) while ignoring the big picture and previous years where Georgia Southern had games that didn't draw well either.
Can't just post the evidence you like and ignore all the rest man. It doesn't work that way
BadlandsGrizFan
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THE BETCH said:
Well he didn't play the game like PlayaRep....for the #1 team in the nation, starting at corner, holding Jerry Rice to 1 catch for 5 yards, all while the game was nationally televised...Brian Williams with the play by play!
Potomac Griz said:PlayerRep said:
You're flailing wildly in the wind at this point man. Anyone who has seen your posts on moving up in the past knows exactly what you were trying to do. Unfortunately it got smacked down once again by evidence.
Oh I read what you said, and since this is a thread about Georgia Southern moving up it was pretty clear your motive was to try to make it sound like there is declining interest in Georgia Southern since they moved up. Just like you've done in the past. So I provided the evidence to show that nope, there isn't declining interest in Georgia Southern, and in fact their attendance overall has gone up. I also pointed out that while yes the last two games had lower attendance it isn't unusual for Georgia Southern to have a couple games on their schedule with lower attendance. Again I provided evidence of this.
You didn't like that of course, so you decided to shift the goalposts to the argument of "well their conference attendance is poor." Again I provided stats showing that their conference attendance (while it didn't drastically improve) had actually gone up too.
As for me "going nuts" when you posted it? No I actually find it hilarious how intent you are at trying to prove moving up is a mistake for other teams when often the stats don't back it up. So you cherry pick a few things (like the two games at the end of the year) while ignoring the big picture and previous years where Georgia Southern had games that didn't draw well either.
Can't just post the evidence you like and ignore all the rest man. It doesn't work that way
Nope, you completely whiffed on this one. I had no point, and looked at no stats, other than to point out the GS attendance for last fall. In that para, my only point was to state what attendance was, and show that the home attendance declined fairly significantly later in the year. Nothing else was said, and nothing else was implied. You completely struck out on this one, and totally goofed up. I know you can't read my mind, but now know that you can't even read my posts accurately. Feel free to keep trying to explain your whiff, but it's not going to work.
BadlandsGrizFan said:
No Rice, but took down the leading rusher in the nation and Heisman runner-up multiple times, as well as multiple backs and receivers who eventually played in the NFL. Playing in front of 50,000 and even 60,000 and being introduced on ABC TV a couple times was cool. Playing on Lambert Trophy and no. 14 team in the nation was also fun. Let's hear you big time football credentials.
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