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Gazette - QB Rankings

http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...cle_e6609ea8-ab9b-11e2-8019-0019bb2963f4.html

If you measure success purely by winning championships, then I suppose you wouldn't think highly of McGhee. But I have a trivia question for you - are there any QBs in the NFL hall of fame that never even made it to the super bowl, let alone won one? The answer is yes, there are two. There are 3 more who made it but never won it, for a total of 5 HOF QBs without a ring.

McGhee has a chance to break nearly every Big Sky Conference passing record, in a conference traditionally known for a lot of passing. Granted I know they didn't count playoff stats until several years ago, and I know he is a 4 year starter.

He will likely break:

Total Offense (needs 3308 yards)
Completions (needs 283, did 284 last year)
Wins (needs 4)

Has a shot at:
Passing Yards (needs 3501 yards)
Passing TDs (needs 28)
Total QB TDs (needs 34)

He won't go down as the best QB to ever play in the conference if he doesn't win a NC this year, but depending on what kind of year he has, could be considered top 3-5.
 
CatzWillRise said:
http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...cle_e6609ea8-ab9b-11e2-8019-0019bb2963f4.html

If you measure success purely by winning championships, then I suppose you wouldn't think highly of McGhee. But I have a trivia question for you - are there any QBs in the NFL hall of fame that never even made it to the super bowl, let alone won one? The answer is yes, there are two. There are 3 more who made it but never won it, for a total of 5 HOF QBs without a ring.

McGhee has a chance to break nearly every Big Sky Conference passing record, in a conference traditionally known for a lot of passing. Granted I know they didn't count playoff stats until several years ago, and I know he is a 4 year starter.

He will likely break:

Total Offense (needs 3308 yards)
Completions (needs 283, did 284 last year)
Wins (needs 4)

Has a shot at:
Passing Yards (needs 3501 yards)
Passing TDs (needs 28)
Total QB TDs (needs 34)

He won't go down as the best QB to ever play in the conference if he doesn't win a NC this year, but depending on what kind of year he has, could be considered top 3-5.

McGhee won't go down as the best qb to ever play in the conference, even if he wins a NC this year. Not even close. He certainly isn't in the top 5. Probably not in the top 10. McGhee isn't even going to be the best qb to play at MSU. Lulay is.
 
Ursa Major said:
Brock Landers said:
The Gazette clearly has a pro-Cats bias!!!!!!

/Cat fans

Is Rice Chex the oily variety bohunk?

Why you hammering on Bohunks? To answer your question. Yes he is and there has always been a pro cat bias in his musings. Makes me want to vomit, but I will love it this year when he has to write favorable things about the Griz. Must be painful for him.
 
Ok I'll skip my bs about McGhee and get to the point. Denarius is a good qb but I do not think he is as great as most cats think he is. I wouldn't rate him better than Lulay, than Ochs, certainly not DD. However he came to the cats at a time when they were rebuilding and needed something. He was new and did well his first year even beating the Griz. But, the Griz had a new hc and were playing their second string qb since Selle was gone. In addition, 2010 was a tough time for the Griz since they were adapting to a new rookie hc that was hell bent on changing the offense regardless of the players he had.
That being said, all of a sudden I see t shirts running around Bozo with "In Denarius we trust." Now I doubt DM had anything to do with this but I do think he bought into it and in his mind he thinks of himself as the "franchise" player. This may be why he doesn't know when to end a play. Thus the turnover problems.
In 2011 the Griz stomped the cats in Bozo, 36-10 and Griz first string QB Jordan Johnson gave DM a workshop on how to qb. This is the only game DM has really faced the Griz with a first string qb playing and the cats lost.
In 2012, The Griz are rocked by a whole ton of issues that adversely affected the program including termination of the AD and HD and the bogus charges against the qb starter. The cats barely squeeked by the Griz in the Brawl, Earlier, the cats were on their way to being sole BSC champions until...McGhee throws a pic six late in the game. Yes that play cost the cats their sole championship title in decades.
Now we have 2013. JJ is back but there is some concern over coaching and rightfully so. I think the Griz have enough talent to win despite the coaching. The cats have a cupcake schedule and opted out of the NDSU game which would have shown just how good they are or are not. Conversely, the Griz schedule is much harder.
Let's let the season play out and then decide. I think McGhee will have a good year and maybe even make it past round 2 in the expanded playoffs but that would really be a surprise. I think the Griz make the playoffs and venture deep into them with a very real possibility of a trip to Frisco.
 
PlayerRep said:
CatzWillRise said:
http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...cle_e6609ea8-ab9b-11e2-8019-0019bb2963f4.html

If you measure success purely by winning championships, then I suppose you wouldn't think highly of McGhee. But I have a trivia question for you - are there any QBs in the NFL hall of fame that never even made it to the super bowl, let alone won one? The answer is yes, there are two. There are 3 more who made it but never won it, for a total of 5 HOF QBs without a ring.

McGhee has a chance to break nearly every Big Sky Conference passing record, in a conference traditionally known for a lot of passing. Granted I know they didn't count playoff stats until several years ago, and I know he is a 4 year starter.

He will likely break:

Total Offense (needs 3308 yards)
Completions (needs 283, did 284 last year)
Wins (needs 4)

Has a shot at:
Passing Yards (needs 3501 yards)
Passing TDs (needs 28)
Total QB TDs (needs 34)

He won't go down as the best QB to ever play in the conference if he doesn't win a NC this year, but depending on what kind of year he has, could be considered top 3-5.

McGhee won't go down as the best qb to ever play in the conference, even if he wins a NC this year. Not even close. He certainly isn't in the top 5. Probably not in the top 10. McGhee isn't even going to be the best qb to play at MSU. Lulay is.
.....Then who are the top 10?
The spin in this thread makes me dizzy. :?
 
I think PR is measuring other QBs by games they almost won, yards they almost passed for, and interceptions they almost didn't throw. That's how you evaluate success, guys. Come on.
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Ok I'll skip my bs about McGhee and get to the point. Denarius is a good qb but I do not think he is as great as most cats think he is. I wouldn't rate him better than Lulay, than Ochs, certainly not DD. However he came to the cats at a time when they were rebuilding and needed something. He was new and did well his first year even beating the Griz. But, the Griz had a new hc and were playing their second string qb since Selle was gone. In addition, 2010 was a tough time for the Griz since they were adapting to a new rookie hc that was hell bent on changing the offense regardless of the players he had.
That being said, all of a sudden I see t shirts running around Bozo with "In Denarius we trust." Now I doubt DM had anything to do with this but I do think he bought into it and in his mind he thinks of himself as the "franchise" player. This may be why he doesn't know when to end a play. Thus the turnover problems.
In 2011 the Griz stomped the cats in Bozo, 36-10 and Griz first string QB Jordan Johnson gave DM a workshop on how to qb. This is the only game DM has really faced the Griz with a first string qb playing and the cats lost.
In 2012, The Griz are rocked by a whole ton of issues that adversely affected the program including termination of the AD and HD and the bogus charges against the qb starter. The cats barely squeeked by the Griz in the Brawl, Earlier, the cats were on their way to being sole BSC champions until...McGhee throws a pic six late in the game. Yes that play cost the cats their sole championship title in decades.
Now we have 2013. JJ is back but there is some concern over coaching and rightfully so. I think the Griz have enough talent to win despite the coaching. The cats have a cupcake schedule and opted out of the NDSU game which would have shown just how good they are or are not. Conversely, the Griz schedule is much harder.
Let's let the season play out and then decide. I think McGhee will have a good year and maybe even make it past round 2 in the expanded playoffs but that would really be a surprise. I think the Griz make the playoffs and venture deep into them with a very real possibility of a trip to Frisco.

Typical homie outlook! Blngs Griz Fan your a legend in your own mind. DM's overall stats and accomplishments speak for themselves. He has been a leader since the first day he arrived on campus. Yes he has thrown some picks but I think he did pretty well given the OL the Cat's had last year and being pressured and having to scramble so much. On the other hand, thru his leadership he has led the team in some last minute victories.

Also Blngs Gris Fan you make excuses for every Griz loss. If they had this guy or if this had happened are just what you're saying --IFs. Yep, the world could be a different place IF certain things happend. All those things you mention that caused your team to lose were as a result of your team putting themselves in that position.
 
BS33 good grief. You comment about excuses and yet you are constantly bringing up the continually deficient cat o line. My point is that against the Griz, the only time DM has played against the first string qb for the Griz resulted in a 36-10 bitch slap in Bozo. DM has only played against the first string qb one time and that was a bitch slap. Was that loss because of the o line too?
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
BS33 good grief. You comment about excuses and yet you are constantly bringing up the continually deficient cat o line. My point is that against the Griz, the only time DM has played against the first string qb for the Griz resulted in a 36-10 bitch slap in Bozo. DM has only played against the first string qb one time and that was a bitch slap. Was that loss because of the o line too?

Last time I looked football is a team of 11 players. Yes the Cats TEAM lost that game. The loss was a combination of things including an undersized OL, not just DM. The Griz starting QB does not have anything to do with how DM performed. Your logic needs work.
 
BS33, excuses excuses. Side by side, who was the better qb in the 2011 Brawl of the Wild JJ or DM? That one game is the one true comparison we have of the two and their abilities.
Enough of this.
 
bigsky33 said:
Blgs Griz Fan said:
BS33 good grief. You comment about excuses and yet you are constantly bringing up the continually deficient cat o line. My point is that against the Griz, the only time DM has played against the first string qb for the Griz resulted in a 36-10 bitch slap in Bozo. DM has only played against the first string qb one time and that was a bitch slap. Was that loss because of the o line too?

Last time I looked football is a team of 11 players. Yes the Cats TEAM lost that game. The loss was a combination of things including an undersized OL, not just DM. The Griz starting QB does not have anything to do with how DM performed. Your logic needs work.

Logic, with Blgs Griz Fan, C'mon man!
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
BS33, excuses excuses. Side by side, who was the better qb in the 2011 Brawl of the Wild JJ or DM? That one game is the one true comparison we have of the two and their abilities.
Enough of this.

Blngs Griz Fan your logic really does need work. You must have skipped classes when logic was taught. Don't you think the TEAM you have surrounding you and thier perfromance as a whole has something to do with the results of the QB in a given game? There is a reason why DM has won the many awards he has and been named to the BSC and FCS All American teams. JJ has yet to do that. Maybe he will this year. We will see when the season is over and the results are in.
 
If football is a team sport of 11 players then why is it "In Denarius We Trust>" That is just not logical.
As I said enough of this. Let the 2013 season tell all.
 
OptimusPrime said:
PlayerRep said:
CatzWillRise said:
http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...cle_e6609ea8-ab9b-11e2-8019-0019bb2963f4.html

If you measure success purely by winning championships, then I suppose you wouldn't think highly of McGhee. But I have a trivia question for you - are there any QBs in the NFL hall of fame that never even made it to the super bowl, let alone won one? The answer is yes, there are two. There are 3 more who made it but never won it, for a total of 5 HOF QBs without a ring.

McGhee has a chance to break nearly every Big Sky Conference passing record, in a conference traditionally known for a lot of passing. Granted I know they didn't count playoff stats until several years ago, and I know he is a 4 year starter.

He will likely break:

Total Offense (needs 3308 yards)
Completions (needs 283, did 284 last year)
Wins (needs 4)

Has a shot at:
Passing Yards (needs 3501 yards)
Passing TDs (needs 28)
Total QB TDs (needs 34)

He won't go down as the best QB to ever play in the conference if he doesn't win a NC this year, but depending on what kind of year he has, could be considered top 3-5.

McGhee won't go down as the best qb to ever play in the conference, even if he wins a NC this year. Not even close. He certainly isn't in the top 5. Probably not in the top 10. McGhee isn't even going to be the best qb to play at MSU. Lulay is.
.....Then who are the top 10?
The spin in this thread makes me dizzy. :?

Griz in top 10. Dickenson, Ah Yat, Miller and Ochs.

Others might include Friez and Nussmeir of Idaho, Lewis of NAU, Lulay of MSU, Meyer and Nichols of EWU, Martin and Higgins of Weber.

Perhaps some of these in the running too. McMillan and Alioti of Boise, Machurek of Ida St, Hobart of Idaho, Brown and Murietta of NAU, Flowers of Northridge, Mitchell and Loons of EWU.
 
Jerry Punch said:
I think PR is measuring other QBs by games they almost won, yards they almost passed for, and interceptions they almost didn't throw. That's how you evaluate success, guys. Come on.

LOL!
 
PlayerRep said:
OptimusPrime said:
PlayerRep said:
CatzWillRise said:
http://billingsgazette.com/sports/c...cle_e6609ea8-ab9b-11e2-8019-0019bb2963f4.html

If you measure success purely by winning championships, then I suppose you wouldn't think highly of McGhee. But I have a trivia question for you - are there any QBs in the NFL hall of fame that never even made it to the super bowl, let alone won one? The answer is yes, there are two. There are 3 more who made it but never won it, for a total of 5 HOF QBs without a ring.

McGhee has a chance to break nearly every Big Sky Conference passing record, in a conference traditionally known for a lot of passing. Granted I know they didn't count playoff stats until several years ago, and I know he is a 4 year starter.

He will likely break:

Total Offense (needs 3308 yards)
Completions (needs 283, did 284 last year)
Wins (needs 4)

Has a shot at:
Passing Yards (needs 3501 yards)
Passing TDs (needs 28)
Total QB TDs (needs 34)

He won't go down as the best QB to ever play in the conference if he doesn't win a NC this year, but depending on what kind of year he has, could be considered top 3-5.

McGhee won't go down as the best qb to ever play in the conference, even if he wins a NC this year. Not even close. He certainly isn't in the top 5. Probably not in the top 10. McGhee isn't even going to be the best qb to play at MSU. Lulay is.
.....Then who are the top 10?
The spin in this thread makes me dizzy. :?

Griz in top 10. Dickenson, Ah Yat, Miller and Ochs.

Others might include Friez and Nussmeir of Idaho, Lewis of NAU, Lulay of MSU, Meyer and Nichols of EWU, Martin and Higgins of Weber.

Perhaps some of these in the running too. McMillan and Alioti of Boise, Machurek of Ida St, Hobart of Idaho, Brown and Murietta of NAU, Flowers of Northridge, Mitchell and Loons of EWU.

Ha ha... you've obviously played the position.
 
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Ok I'll skip my bs about McGhee and get to the point. Denarius is a good qb but I do not think he is as great as most cats think he is. I wouldn't rate him better than Lulay, than Ochs, certainly not DD. However he came to the cats at a time when they were rebuilding and needed something. He was new and did well his first year even beating the Griz. But, the Griz had a new hc and were playing their second string qb since Selle was gone. In addition, 2010 was a tough time for the Griz since they were adapting to a new rookie hc that was hell bent on changing the offense regardless of the players he had.
That being said, all of a sudden I see t shirts running around Bozo with "In Denarius we trust." Now I doubt DM had anything to do with this but I do think he bought into it and in his mind he thinks of himself as the "franchise" player. This may be why he doesn't know when to end a play. Thus the turnover problems.
In 2011 the Griz stomped the cats in Bozo, 36-10 and Griz first string QB Jordan Johnson gave DM a workshop on how to qb. This is the only game DM has really faced the Griz with a first string qb playing and the cats lost.
In 2012, The Griz are rocked by a whole ton of issues that adversely affected the program including termination of the AD and HD and the bogus charges against the qb starter. The cats barely squeeked by the Griz in the Brawl, Earlier, the cats were on their way to being sole BSC champions until...McGhee throws a pic six late in the game. Yes that play cost the cats their sole championship title in decades.
Now we have 2013. JJ is back but there is some concern over coaching and rightfully so. I think the Griz have enough talent to win despite the coaching. The cats have a cupcake schedule and opted out of the NDSU game which would have shown just how good they are or are not. Conversely, the Griz schedule is much harder.
Let's let the season play out and then decide. I think McGhee will have a good year and maybe even make it past round 2 in the expanded playoffs but that would really be a surprise. I think the Griz make the playoffs and venture deep into them with a very real possibility of a trip to Frisco.

You DM bashers are sooo cute!

I think it's going to be hilarious to come back and visit these posts once the season gets rolling because youu guys have no idea what you're in for watching DM in 2013... but you will.
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poorgriz said:
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Ok I'll skip my bs about McGhee and get to the point. Denarius is a good qb but I do not think he is as great as most cats think he is. I wouldn't rate him better than Lulay, than Ochs, certainly not DD. However he came to the cats at a time when they were rebuilding and needed something. He was new and did well his first year even beating the Griz. But, the Griz had a new hc and were playing their second string qb since Selle was gone. In addition, 2010 was a tough time for the Griz since they were adapting to a new rookie hc that was hell bent on changing the offense regardless of the players he had.
That being said, all of a sudden I see t shirts running around Bozo with "In Denarius we trust." Now I doubt DM had anything to do with this but I do think he bought into it and in his mind he thinks of himself as the "franchise" player. This may be why he doesn't know when to end a play. Thus the turnover problems.
In 2011 the Griz stomped the cats in Bozo, 36-10 and Griz first string QB Jordan Johnson gave DM a workshop on how to qb. This is the only game DM has really faced the Griz with a first string qb playing and the cats lost.
In 2012, The Griz are rocked by a whole ton of issues that adversely affected the program including termination of the AD and HD and the bogus charges against the qb starter. The cats barely squeeked by the Griz in the Brawl, Earlier, the cats were on their way to being sole BSC champions until...McGhee throws a pic six late in the game. Yes that play cost the cats their sole championship title in decades.
Now we have 2013. JJ is back but there is some concern over coaching and rightfully so. I think the Griz have enough talent to win despite the coaching. The cats have a cupcake schedule and opted out of the NDSU game which would have shown just how good they are or are not. Conversely, the Griz schedule is much harder.
Let's let the season play out and then decide. I think McGhee will have a good year and maybe even make it past round 2 in the expanded playoffs but that would really be a surprise. I think the Griz make the playoffs and venture deep into them with a very real possibility of a trip to Frisco.

You DM bashers are sooo cute!

I think it's going to be hilarious to come back and visit these posts once the season gets rolling because youu guys have no idea what you're in for watching DM in 2013... but you will.
4ce8c359d3c13.image.jpg


I guess that's one way to warm up your cold little texas fingers. :-?
 
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