GAME DAY THREAD - Butler

[Griz Addict]

I still think the Griz need positive play from Vidlak to be successful. I am not sure McD can carry all the water.

If he can improve on passing he sure can. He looks more comfortable and confident than vidlak and seems like more of a leader. If we can get his passing game on point, we hit the gold mine

 

[Montanabob]

It was in direct response to their late hit, which infuriated Butler's coach.

Exactly.

or just wanted to see if he could pass?
what about the missed call on the launching to the head by the grizz that wasn't called?

 

[SaskGriz]

Illegal hit.....typicall Griz

Cry more, typical crybaby cat fan. Let me guess you were drunk at 8am?

At my age I feel like "still drunk" is more likely than "were drunk". Still it's a solid effort either way.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I think Vidlak played okay. The first int is t on him at all. The second was a bad decision all around. Ended up scrambling right into pressure then throwing back across his body. I do think if he leads the WR, it’s catch and run.

He stared down his guy way too much and he tried to force a lot. If McDowell can get the playbook down and improve his passing, we will be a lot better off with him.

Good to know. Was watching on TV, which is a lot different than being there and able to see the whole field.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

I still think the Griz need positive play from Vidlak to be successful. I am not sure McD can carry all the water.

As a season ticket holder for over 3 months who saw the game in person (nbd), I agree. I think 7 had some great throws and one awful decision on the second pick. The first thing I remember noticing about Jordan Johnson is his decision making outside the pocket. I’m pretty sure he would’ve thrown that ball into the fifth row.

17 had a good game and led a great drive with his legs. I loved the shot to the back corner after the cheap shot on Gilman. It was a good ball.

All in all, I’m still optimistic. And, I got see see some buddies briefly.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I still think the Griz need positive play from Vidlak to be successful. I am not sure McD can carry all the water.

If he can improve on passing he sure can. He looks more comfortable and confident than vidlak and seems like more of a leader. If we can get his passing game on point, we hit the gold mine

For a kid that has never been much of a thrower, tough ask. Maybe Vidlak gets more comfortable and confident.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

I get that. With experience comes wisdom or some other philosophical bs. But, with how much we’ve been hyping the guy,

What was the basis of the hype? Wasn't from his experience.

From the scrimmage and this site. Maybe hype was a poor choice of words. Either way, it was a less than auspicious start. Not to make comparisons, but Craig Ochs had like 180 yards against Maine in 2004…

 

[hilinegrizfan]

Exactly.

or just wanted to see if he could pass?
what about the missed call on the launching to the head by the grizz that wasn't called?

Announcers kept saying how pissed their coach was for that pass. I’m like yo it’s the first game of the season we are trying to get these qb’s some reps what the big deal.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

What was the basis of the hype? Wasn't from his experience.

From the scrimmage and this site. Maybe hype was a poor choice of words. Either way, it was a less than auspicious start. Not to make comparisons, but Craig Ochs had like 180 yards against Maine in 2004…

First, you did make a comparison, and second, Vidlak is an inexperienced kid with very few game reps. People saw good things, and he even showed some today, but the hope is for him to get better. I will also add that his teammates failed to make some plays that could have made things easier.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

Here’s my concern: Several of Vidlak’s passes were into VEEEERY tight coverage. He tries that against scholarship players and he’s gonna have a boatload of INT’s.

I liked McDowell’s play. and Gillman’s. Other than that? Underwhelmed, to say the least.

We are in a world of hurt on the backside of this defense if this is the best we can do.

 

[sacstateman]

I didn't watch any of the game but after reading these comments, it seems you need to hire a janitor to do all the cleaning up you all talk about.....gotta clean up this, gotta clean up that....Buy a boxcar full of mops and you should look pretty good by next week....

 

[sacstateman]

I didn't watch any of the game but after reading these comments, it seems you need to hire a janitor to do all the cleaning up you all talk about.....gotta clean up this, gotta clean up that....Buy a boxcar full of mops and you should look pretty good by next week....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

Good post. I saw the hit from the opposite ten yard line and thought for sure it was going to get flagged. My dad swore it was clean. Haven’t watched a replay, so I have no clue, but I know it’s not often that you knock a player the fuck out on a regular hit.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

Good post. I saw the hit from the opposite ten yard line and thought for sure it was going to get flagged. My dad swore it was clean. Haven’t watched a replay, so I have no clue, but I know it’s not often that you knock a player the fuck out on a regular hit.

It isn't the distance, it was a bang bang play. I thought it was totally clean, my buddy next to me thought it was helmet to helmet. So there is room to disagree. It happened fast, and I haven't seen a replay either.

Man, I was almost a straight line from you. I'm at roughly the 20

 

[AZGrizFan]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

Good post. I saw the hit from the opposite ten yard line and thought for sure it was going to get flagged. My dad swore it was clean. Haven’t watched a replay, so I have no clue, but I know it’s not often that you knock a player the fuck out on a regular hit.

About as textbook of a hit as a safety can make. Shoulder to the chest. Absolutely brutal hit. I am SO glad they didn’t flag that…there was absolutely nothing illegal about it.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

From the scrimmage and this site. Maybe hype was a poor choice of words. Either way, it was a less than auspicious start. Not to make comparisons, but Craig Ochs had like 180 yards against Maine in 2004…

First, you did make a comparison, and second, Vidlak is an inexperienced kid with very few game reps. People saw good things, and he even showed some today, but the hope is for him to get better. I will also add that his teammates failed to make some plays that could have made things easier.

The point I was making is that good QBs have bad opening days. It was simply an underwhelming day.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

Here’s my concern: Several of Vidlak’s passes were into VEEEERY tight coverage. He tries that against scholarship players and he’s gonna have a boatload of INT’s.

I liked McDowell’s play. and Gillman’s. Other than that? Underwhelmed, to say the least.

We are in a world of hurt on the backside of this defense if this is the best we can do.

I genuinely hope it isn't the best we can do, and it is the first week. It will tighten up.

I generally agree with you, and I am starting to agree with the folks who say we need more separation from our receivers, but we did have a couple of deep ones that were inches away.

The point I would disagree on, and this is probably me being a Homer as usual, but I want a guy who will pull the trigger on those passes against every team. Give me more of that. I think k Vidlak can put it in the hole.

McDowell was great. Not at all downplaying him. I just do want that guy who wants to put the ball in a tight window. Keep pulling that trigger, young man.

 

[3-7-77]

Two weeks ago: "we need to have younger QBs that we grow in the program. We need a guy who plays here for years, not a one year transfer!"

Today: "Vidlak was not good enough!"

From where I sat, Vidlak was very accurate. He put balls in the only place possible. On the first field goal, he threw an incredibly placed pass and it was dropped. That's okay, I would have dropped it too because I am not half the athlete these kids are.

But if SO many Griz fans want us to have a young QB that will grow in the program as a three year starter, we should probably give some leeway for a bad pass or bad decision in the first games starting. That is, quite literally, the process of development. If you want a kid to join the program and grow, support his growth.

Also, that hit by Fouch in the 4th was right in front of me, and I am just glad the kid walked off the field.

1) Vidlak had three quarters of leeway time.
McDowell provided the spark the offense needed. Butler seemed stunned, no clue. They make a good 1 - 2 punch, to keep defenses on their heels.
2) The Fouch hit was perfectly legal. Replay proved the point. The only reason for a flag would be to sop up his blood. It was ni ni time for him. He'll sleep well on the flight home.

 

[PDXGrizzly]

Good post. I saw the hit from the opposite ten yard line and thought for sure it was going to get flagged. My dad swore it was clean. Haven’t watched a replay, so I have no clue, but I know it’s not often that you knock a player the fudge out on a regular hit.

About as textbook of a hit as a safety can make. Shoulder to the chest. Absolutely brutal hit. I am SO glad they didn’t flag that…there was absolutely nothing illegal about it.

I feel like any of the Butler player’s wobblies came from his helmet hitting the ground so hard.