Future QB

[CFallsGriz]

Box, why even bother arguing with them anymore. This board, with the exception of 75, was in love with Gus and this offense six days ago. It's just the nature of this sport, fans would suggest to yank Tom Brady for Tavarus Jackson if Brady threw four picks in one game, and call Belecik an idiot for not doing it. SMH. Some football fans are set in their ways to the point, they absolutely can't be convinced of the game being played any other way than they way they think it should, sadly.

You talk about this like youre outside of it. smh too.

Youre so above everyone on here havgrizfan. Talk about your high horse.

And its Belichick. Jesus

 

[spsyk]

Who wants to bet me $100 tonight that Brady is the starting QB next fall, unless, of course, he gets hurt?

I would, however I have had experience with betting with you, so I will just donate a $100.00 to make a Christmas for some kid.


Please, don't make bets that you will never pay...

 

[daGrizJ]

From what I saw, most the time the O was not clicking it was was due more to poor execution than play calling. It seemed coach had good game plans to attack the D but the players didn't get it done. Bad passes, mis-comunication, dropped balls, ineffective O line play, whatever.

And, as far as a Stitt not having a running game, I seem to remember him saying he has often had a 1000 yard back. Also, seem to remember seeing a big bruiser back blasting up the middle in C of Mines videos.

 

[stubbins]

This isn't that hard...Brady is the best qb on the team. Is he a perfect fit for this system? I don't think so. But his imperfections and rough patches were still the best option for the Griz this year.

If Brady plays to his potential, the Griz win every game. If he plays like yesterday, they lose every game...I don't care who the other team is. Just going to have to live with it for one more year, because he's the best option they have.

You don't change your philosophy this early in the rebuilding process because you don't have all the pieces. Most of you bitched about Pflu in his first year, but he believed in it, went through some rough times until it clicked. That's smart. To delay getting this system up and rolling would be short sighted, and I'll take the lumps as a fan, it'll be worth it faster.
(Someone should bump those threads to see if those idiots that first year of Pflu are repeat offender this year...I'd bet they are)

Stitt is going to be a very, very successful coach here. But it's going to take time. I'm hoping for a good year next season, but I think it will be the year after when we start thinking of a deep playoff run.

I am super stoked for the Jensen kid....he's going to be a good one. And Stitt's first qb recruit.

 

[George Ferguson]

Cfalls, sorry, I'm not meaning to come across being on a high horse. But, I guess in a way, in regards to this thread I am. Why? Because, this board, and it's not exclusive, wants to replace the starting QB EVERY SINGLE TIME he makes one mistake. It's been going on for as long as this board has been existence, and yes, I'm well aware that it happens with every other fan base in football too. But I don't care about them, I care about this program, and only this program. It just gets old, and I post about it.

Now, as it pertains to the Brady as starter situation, I'm not so much as an insider, as I am using common sense. I listen to what Stitt says abotu the situation, and I've been listening to him about it since the day he arrived here. After all, it's his call. So, here's what I base Brady remaining the starter on at this point, aside from the fact that the head coach named him the starter.

1. He's the best and now, the most experienced QB on the roster.
2. Many speculated that Stitt would be an idiot to, and would not go back to BG once he was healthy enough to return. Yet, there he was, trotted out for the Eastern Washington game with zero hesitation by the coaching staff, and he ripped it up in three straight games. Yes, I agree he played absolutely awful against NDSU. But the fact is, Stitt did indeed go right back to him when he was healthy. That tells me alot about the other QB's on the roster.
3. Chalich is most likely gone. Some say Simis will be too but I have no evidence of that at this point. I love Pflug, and I'm sure Gresch Jensen is an exciting prospect too, but they are not ready yet. They just aren't. They aren't ready to start at this level, let alone beat a senior in Brady out for the starting job. To me, that leaves a QB competition next spring and fall between Brady, Simis, Prater and the 6-7 juco kid. Based on what I've seen go down this season, that competition will be no contest for BG.

Again, it's not high horse stuff, I'm using common sense.

 

[NUTZ]

If the QB position is predicated on competition and all the would be QBs are given equal opportunity our new QB could be Gresh Jenson, a definite duel threat 6'2" 205# incoming freshman. You heard it here.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

No H back, not fullback, no tight end, 6 rushing yards, 43 total scrimmage plays.
Is it really a QB problem?

"You don't win championships in August," Klieman said. "You win them in December."

I would see it as a coaching problem!

you just want to overlook that fact that outside of the WR position the Griz really weren't that talented....

Watching UNI run the football with Bailey and Smith brings it into perspective; we have no athletes even comparable to those two. 407 rushing between them against PSU. They had 277 rushing against NDSU without Smith. If he intends to beat good D1 defenses, Stitt needs to hire an OC that knows something about running the football. He also needs to quit using most of his schollies for WRs.

Good point but in Stitt's defense, he did seem to get more flexible as the season progressed. He went away from going for it on 4th down all of the time. He kicked more FGs etc. My point is that Stitt altered some of his core beliefs. I think that might bode well for the future. He just might change his recruiting philosophy and not be so focused on getting just WRs. Who knows? He may even adjust his beliefs on the running game.

 

[PlayerRep]

Cfalls, sorry, I'm not meaning to come across being on a high horse. But, I guess in a way, in regards to this thread I am. Why? Because, this board, and it's not exclusive, wants to replace the starting QB EVERY SINGLE TIME he makes one mistake. It's been going on for as long as this board has been existence, and yes, I'm well aware that it happens with every other fan base in football too. But I don't care about them, I care about this program, and only this program. It just gets old, and I post about it.

Now, as it pertains to the Brady as starter situation, I'm not so much as an insider, as I am using common sense. I listen to what Stitt says abotu the situation, and I've been listening to him about it since the day he arrived here. After all, it's his call. So, here's what I base Brady remaining the starter on at this point, aside from the fact that the head coach named him the starter.

1. He's the best and now, the most experienced QB on the roster.
2. Many speculated that Stitt would be an idiot to, and would not go back to BG once he was healthy enough to return. Yet, there he was, trotted out for the Eastern Washington game with zero hesitation by the coaching staff, and he ripped it up in three straight games. Yes, I agree he played absolutely awful against NDSU. But the fact is, Stitt did indeed go right back to him when he was healthy. That tells me alot about the other QB's on the roster.
3. Chalich is most likely gone. Some say Simis will be too but I have no evidence of that at this point. I love Pflug, and I'm sure Gresch Jensen is an exciting prospect too, but they are not ready yet. They just aren't. They aren't ready to start at this level, let alone beat a senior in Brady out for the starting job. To me, that leaves a QB competition next spring and fall between Brady, Simis, Prater and the 6-7 juco kid. Based on what I've seen go down this season, that competition will be no contest for BG.

Again, it's not high horse stuff, I'm using common sense.

Some of these guys don't seem to understand that what's in the QB's head is the most important thing to Stitt and his offense. While Brady has a strong arm, Stitt wants a QB who can make good calls, good reads, good decisions, and deliver the ball 20 yards. The rest of QB skills are secondary. So, Brady has now played 5.25 games. He's still inexperienced. His runs the offense very well and fast. He throws well or very well, except when he gets rattled (or is hurt, like he was against CP).

 

[kemajic]

From what I saw, most the time the O was not clicking it was was due more to poor execution than play calling. It seemed coach had good game plans to attack the D but the players didn't get it done. Bad passes, mis-comunication, dropped balls, ineffective O line play, whatever.

And, as far as a Stitt not having a running game, I seem to remember him saying he has often had a 1000 yard back. Also, seem to remember seeing a big bruiser back blasting up the middle in C of Mines videos.

After he got the UM job, he had plenty of time to prioritize a strong RB to replace Canada and Van. The only priority seemed to be 10 receivers, which he said was key to this offense. Maybe it's a different challenge to have a successful running game in D1 than it is in D2, dya'think....

Yes, continued runs by a smurf RB into one of the best D-fronts in FCS has to be all about failed execution. It could not be poor play calling or lack of adjustment by the OC.

 

[kemajic]

how many of our QB's have a ACT score above 30?

I assume Brady is one. Wasn't he a valedictorian in high school, or at least a very good student.?

34 I heard.

 

[signedbewildered]

Ummm, Brady is the guy next year. PERIOD.

I would assume but I also assume Stitt will say something like "Brady is the guy going into fall camp but......"

 

[Fahque]

Yep, pull the starter who for two qrts against SDSU and first half of NDSU was out scored 38-0. Doesn't have to be for the rest of the game, but enough to let him settle down and get his cranium in the game. I will have 75 provide the stats for those 4 qrts, but I'm sure it isn't pretty.

whatever.....putting Simis in would have changed nothing.....it was not like Brady was 1A and Simis was 1B.....

All you have is "Whatever". Would it have hurt anything to pull Brady, nope! I guess we will never know, but still put this on the coach.

Curious at what point would you have pulled Brady?

If nothing else, just to give him some time to settle down and think about his play. Nobody suggesting that he should've been pulled for a series or two thinks that Simmis was the answer that was going to lead us to the promised land in this game. They just think that Brady needed a moment to get his shit together.

 

[Fahque]

Cfalls, sorry, I'm not meaning to come across being on a high horse. But, I guess in a way, in regards to this thread I am. Why? Because, this board, and it's not exclusive, wants to replace the starting QB EVERY SINGLE TIME he makes one mistake. It's been going on for as long as this board has been existence, and yes, I'm well aware that it happens with every other fan base in football too. But I don't care about them, I care about this program, and only this program. It just gets old, and I post about it.

Now, as it pertains to the Brady as starter situation, I'm not so much as an insider, as I am using common sense. I listen to what Stitt says abotu the situation, and I've been listening to him about it since the day he arrived here. After all, it's his call. So, here's what I base Brady remaining the starter on at this point, aside from the fact that the head coach named him the starter.

1. He's the best and now, the most experienced QB on the roster.
2. Many speculated that Stitt would be an idiot to, and would not go back to BG once he was healthy enough to return. Yet, there he was, trotted out for the Eastern Washington game with zero hesitation by the coaching staff, and he ripped it up in three straight games. Yes, I agree he played absolutely awful against NDSU. But the fact is, Stitt did indeed go right back to him when he was healthy. That tells me alot about the other QB's on the roster.
3. Chalich is most likely gone. Some say Simis will be too but I have no evidence of that at this point. I love Pflug, and I'm sure Gresch Jensen is an exciting prospect too, but they are not ready yet. They just aren't. They aren't ready to start at this level, let alone beat a senior in Brady out for the starting job. To me, that leaves a QB competition next spring and fall between Brady, Simis, Prater and the 6-7 juco kid. Based on what I've seen go down this season, that competition will be no contest for BG.

Again, it's not high horse stuff, I'm using common sense.

Where could Chalich go without losing his final year of eligibility?

 

[George Ferguson]

Carroll

 

[AZGrizFan]

Cfalls, sorry, I'm not meaning to come across being on a high horse. But, I guess in a way, in regards to this thread I am. Why? Because, this board, and it's not exclusive, wants to replace the starting QB EVERY SINGLE TIME he makes one mistake. It's been going on for as long as this board has been existence, and yes, I'm well aware that it happens with every other fan base in football too. But I don't care about them, I care about this program, and only this program. It just gets old, and I post about it.

Now, as it pertains to the Brady as starter situation, I'm not so much as an insider, as I am using common sense. I listen to what Stitt says abotu the situation, and I've been listening to him about it since the day he arrived here. After all, it's his call. So, here's what I base Brady remaining the starter on at this point, aside from the fact that the head coach named him the starter.

1. He's the best and now, the most experienced QB on the roster.
2. Many speculated that Stitt would be an idiot to, and would not go back to BG once he was healthy enough to return. Yet, there he was, trotted out for the Eastern Washington game with zero hesitation by the coaching staff, and he ripped it up in three straight games. Yes, I agree he played absolutely awful against NDSU. But the fact is, Stitt did indeed go right back to him when he was healthy. That tells me alot about the other QB's on the roster.
3. Chalich is most likely gone. Some say Simis will be too but I have no evidence of that at this point. I love Pflug, and I'm sure Gresch Jensen is an exciting prospect too, but they are not ready yet. They just aren't. They aren't ready to start at this level, let alone beat a senior in Brady out for the starting job. To me, that leaves a QB competition next spring and fall between Brady, Simis, Prater and the 6-7 juco kid. Based on what I've seen go down this season, that competition will be no contest for BG.

Again, it's not high horse stuff, I'm using common sense.

You seriously believe Pflug is behind a transfer and Prater? I bet not...

 

[HookedonGriz]

Cfalls, sorry, I'm not meaning to come across being on a high horse. But, I guess in a way, in regards to this thread I am. Why? Because, this board, and it's not exclusive, wants to replace the starting QB EVERY SINGLE TIME he makes one mistake. It's been going on for as long as this board has been existence, and yes, I'm well aware that it happens with every other fan base in football too. But I don't care about them, I care about this program, and only this program. It just gets old, and I post about it.

Now, as it pertains to the Brady as starter situation, I'm not so much as an insider, as I am using common sense. I listen to what Stitt says abotu the situation, and I've been listening to him about it since the day he arrived here. After all, it's his call. So, here's what I base Brady remaining the starter on at this point, aside from the fact that the head coach named him the starter.

1. He's the best and now, the most experienced QB on the roster.
2. Many speculated that Stitt would be an idiot to, and would not go back to BG once he was healthy enough to return. Yet, there he was, trotted out for the Eastern Washington game with zero hesitation by the coaching staff, and he ripped it up in three straight games. Yes, I agree he played absolutely awful against NDSU. But the fact is, Stitt did indeed go right back to him when he was healthy. That tells me alot about the other QB's on the roster.
3. Chalich is most likely gone. Some say Simis will be too but I have no evidence of that at this point. I love Pflug, and I'm sure Gresch Jensen is an exciting prospect too, but they are not ready yet. They just aren't. They aren't ready to start at this level, let alone beat a senior in Brady out for the starting job. To me, that leaves a QB competition next spring and fall between Brady, Simis, Prater and the 6-7 juco kid. Based on what I've seen go down this season, that competition will be no contest for BG.

Again, it's not high horse stuff, I'm using common sense.

I agree with every single thing you stated above, except one thing.....Pflug. The kid I saw at the spring scrimmage is capable of running this offense. He threw a really good ball and has some awesome mobility. If he can get the cerebral aspects down I think Willy is going to be very special in this offense. I don't think you have to be a running beast to be a good QB in this offense, but I do think a QB who can run even just a little would help our run game a lot by keeping the defense honest. Why run a zone read with Brady when you know 100 percent Brady isn't keeping the ball. Watch the Bison D key on our RB all day. They didn't even give Brady a look. I wouldn't either. I'd be licking my chops as a defensive coordinator knowing the QB will never keep it and seems to get a bit rattled under pressure.

 

[George Ferguson]

AZ, I don't know, where he is at relates to Prater and that other kid. But I know two things, I know Stittwason the record as saying Pflug had a long, long way to go in terms of strength and growing, and I also know he won't beat Brady out for the starting job next year. I know, I know, there I go again, saying what I know. Tell ya what, if Pflug starts next year for any reason OTHER than Brady being injured, I will publicly state what an idiot I was for not believing Pflug was ready to take the Griz to the promised land as a RS-freshman. I'll bookmark this thread right now, and am totally willing to do state that - state wide.

edit: Hookedon, I never said Willy wouldn't be special. I said it won't be next season.

 

[AZGrizFan]

AZ, I don't know, where he is at relates to Prater and that other kid. But I know two things, I know Stittwason the record as saying Pflug had a long, long way to go in terms of strength and growing, and I also know he won't beat Brady out for the starting job next year. I know, I know, there I go again, saying what I know. Tell ya what, if Pflug starts next year for any reason OTHER than Brady being injured, I will publicly state what an idiot I was for not believing Pflug was ready to take the Griz to the promised land as a RS-freshman. I'll bookmark this thread right now, and am totally willing to do state that - state wide.

edit: Hookedon, I never said Willy wouldn't be special. I said it won't be next season.

I'm not saying he's going to start. You're saying that even with the departure of Chalich and Simis he'd STILL be 4th in line...Behind a guy who's never thrown a pass as a Griz and a guy who isn't even on campus.

 

[George Ferguson]

Well, that's not exactly how I meant it.I kind of seperated the two situations. I said neither Pflug or Jensen were going to be ready, and I said Brady would beat out the other two or three guys. As for the race for who is the backup, that's not was I was talking about since this thread turned into a why Brady shouldn't start next year debate. So sorry, yes, Pflug will certainly be competing with those other guys for backup duties. My bad.

 

[kyle_sample]

I think the passing game will come easier and the offense will start clicking when we can run the ball..

At Mines, Stitt wasn't much into running offenses; he's never coached to a running game. He had QB's that never ran the ball. Couldn't find any record, though, of anything like a -17 yd performance seen yesterday. He likes the pass. It's always been 3:1, even 4:1 passing. The results varied.

75, where did you get your numbers or basis for those claims?
In 2014, CSM was 55-45 pass:run, and its QB was the second leading rusher
In 2013, CSM was 54-46 and its QB was the leading rusher
In 2012, CSM was 67-33 and its QB was the 4th leading rusher (most attempts) bad Oline that year
In 2011, CSM was 54-46 and its QB had the second most rushing attempts

We could go on, but what's the point?