Future QB

[jodcon]

I also want to know that with your statistical comparison that anointed SImis the better QB, did you have a component that took into account what the opposing defenses did in each game?

As I repeatedly asked on the other threads, "OK, what?" and to which you invariably went silent. This idea "Yeah but ..." gets old when that's all there is. The fact is, everything I pointed to three weeks ago came true today, right down to the specific words, "overthrow," "miscommunication," and "interception/fumble." Sad to say. But it was out there and evident to those who looked, and for those who had their minds made up, reality bit hard today.

You were pretty quiet after the EWU, MSU and SDSU games.

Cherrypickers must wait for the right time my friend...sometimes many games.

 

[PlayerRep]

this isn''t just about today....and Simis has more trouble figuring out defenses than Gus....

Understand that you are calling out 75 for his "facts" and predictions, but he isn't too far off from calling it correctly. Simis might have troubles figuring out Ds, but he can run/scramble which would have been more than Gus brought to the table the last 6 quarters of play.[/quote]

Why would that have brought more to the table? Just curious.

 

[kemajic]

I'm not going to go over this all again.

Promise!

 

[PlayerRep]

Who wants to bet me $100 tonight that Brady is the starting QB next fall, unless, of course, he gets hurt?

Maybe true but it's only because he's the best we have in Stitt's offense. He wouldn't start for most teams. Just sayin

I'll bet you that same 100.00 that we won't win the conference next year with Brady at the wheel.

I'll bet you a $100 that you wouldn't pay up.

 

[PlayerRep]

Who wants to bet me $100 tonight that Brady is the starting QB next fall, unless, of course, he gets hurt?

Maybe true but it's only because he's the best we have in Stitt's offense. He wouldn't start for most teams. Just sayin

I'll bet you that same 100.00 that we won't win the conference next year with Brady at the wheel.

I'll bet you a $100 that you wouldn't pay up.

 

[stegsgrizz]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

 

[Blue Tears]

His standard deviation of play averages is high because his best attribute is throwing the deep ball. He has the arm and accuracy to stretch the field.

I'd say today's performance challenges that.

I was using your statement of his standard deviation being the highest and explained why your stat is correct, but potentially misleading. His standard deviation being high is because he has some minus plays, but also some big plays and not as many consistent 4 yard gains. He didn't have a good day against NDSU, but that was due to some other factors at play as well. You are correct that Simis had a great outing vs UND, in a game at home versus a porous secondary. If you are going to use stats to back up your reasoning, than at least apply them correctly. One game is really difficult to draw accurate conclusions. If you are going to praise Simis for UND, then you better do the same with Gus for EWU and MSU. I like Simis, but Brady was the better qb this year if you consider all the games. The offense opened up when Gus returned. He can read the defense and make throws that the other Griz qb's had trouble executing.

 

[grizindabox]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

so you want to pull the starter for what is essentially a 3rd string QB just because he can run but is inferior, at least to the coaches, in every other way.....

 

[Montana37]

Bold prediction: Willy P. will not start a game for the U of M. Nothing against the kid, I think Stitt has other plans.

Not very bold. Stitt will bring in his guys and they won't look like Pflug.

Stitt wants QB's -- not hybrid RB's who can kind of throw the ball a little.

Looks like Pflug throws a good ball to me...him running and dodging sacks would only be an added advantage.

 

[Griz Man]

Bold prediction: Willy P. will not start a game for the U of M. Nothing against the kid, I think Stitt has other plans.

Not very bold. Stitt will bring in his guys and they won't look like Pflug.

Stitt wants QB's -- not hybrid RB's who can kind of throw the ball a little.

Looks like Pflug throws a good ball to me...him running and dodging sacks would only be an added advantage.

Yep, take a page out of the PSU playbook - Alex Kuresa just bought time against Northern Iowa with his feet and threw a TD. I think first and foremost, though, you need an accurate thrower who doesn't throw picks in the big games. I love what Brady did for us this year, but I'm not complaining if there's someone even better!

 

[kemajic]

Brady had had six quarters of underwhelming play, on top of four quarters of very good play. At the end of the season, it is very nearly the same. The standard deviation of his play averages is larger than anyone who has thrown the ball for Montana this year,

OK, so Simis had one good game followed by two bad. Two OT fumbles; both lost. Three ints in one quarter. Is his standard deviation superior?

 

[Blue Tears]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

We probably should have changed the offensive line and our running backs out then as well because the protection and run game left a lot to be desired. It certainly wouldn't have hurt to try Simis, but with the lack of support of the other offensive facets, it is difficult to imagine that things would have been different. Being honest, we didn't have much of a run game for the last 6 quarters. Not surprisingly, the offense (and Brady) struggled over that time. NDSU had a great plan and beat us physically. At least the defense played a strong game.

 

[kemajic]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

Simis would have gotten killed trying to run tonight.

so you want to pull the starter for what is essentially a 3rd string QB just because he can run but is inferior, at least to the coaches, in every other way.....

 

[stegsgrizz]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

so you want to pull the starter for what is essentially a 3rd string QB just because he can run but is inferior, at least to the coaches, in every other way.....

Yep, pull the starter who for two qrts against SDSU and first half of NDSU was out scored 38-0. Doesn't have to be for the rest of the game, but enough to let him settle down and get his cranium in the game. I will have 75 provide the stats for those 4 qrts, but I'm sure it isn't pretty.

 

[kemajic]

Without an offensive line that can block four down linemen which means no running game it won't matter who the quarterback is.

Finally - someone points out the obvious flaw. No DOLA and the athletes needed for the O line just are not in place yet. Going to take some time.

This is not the only problem with the UM running game. No really good RB, no H-back or tight ends; this offense is not set up for running. It's not going against RMAC defenses.

it is pretty easy....5 in the box you run....6 in the box you throw....if you need a TE and H-back to run on 5 guys...you are already in trouble....

They are receivers too; don't be so dense.

 

[grizindabox]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

so you want to pull the starter for what is essentially a 3rd string QB just because he can run but is inferior, at least to the coaches, in every other way.....

Yep, pull the starter who for two qrts against SDSU and first half of NDSU was out scored 38-0. Doesn't have to be for the rest of the game, but enough to let him settle down and get his cranium in the game. I will have 75 provide the stats for those 4 qrts, but I'm sure it isn't pretty.

whatever.....putting Simis in would have changed nothing.....it was not like Brady was 1A and Simis was 1B.....

 

[grizindabox]

Finally - someone points out the obvious flaw. No DOLA and the athletes needed for the O line just are not in place yet. Going to take some time.

This is not the only problem with the UM running game. No really good RB, no H-back or tight ends; this offense is not set up for running. It's not going against RMAC defenses.

it is pretty easy....5 in the box you run....6 in the box you throw....if you need a TE and H-back to run on 5 guys...you are already in trouble....

They are receivers too; don't be so dense.

what does that have to do with running the ball....think you missed the point...

 

[stegsgrizz]

grizindabox, Simis is not a dual threat QB, and neither is Brady. However, when one (Brady) was struggling to get things going for the last 6 qtrs., maybe the coaches could've mixed up a bit with Simis. I put this on the coach for not making a change of either play calling, or players on the field.

so you want to pull the starter for what is essentially a 3rd string QB just because he can run but is inferior, at least to the coaches, in every other way.....

Yep, pull the starter who for two qrts against SDSU and first half of NDSU was out scored 38-0. Doesn't have to be for the rest of the game, but enough to let him settle down and get his cranium in the game. I will have 75 provide the stats for those 4 qrts, but I'm sure it isn't pretty.

whatever.....putting Simis in would have changed nothing.....it was not like Brady was 1A and Simis was 1B.....

All you have is "Whatever". Would it have hurt anything to pull Brady, nope! I guess we will never know, but still put this on the coach.

 

[George Ferguson]

Box, why even bother arguing with them anymore. This board, with the exception of 75, was in love with Gus and this offense six days ago. It's just the nature of this sport, fans would suggest to yank Tom Brady for Tavarus Jackson if Brady threw four picks in one game, and call Belecik an idiot for not doing it. SMH. Some football fans are set in their ways to the point, they absolutely can't be convinced of the game being played any other way than they way they think it should, sadly.

 

[kemajic]

Simis is a strong runner, but the holes we had today were pretty non existent. I guess it wouldn't have hurt to try something different.

Simis does hold the season and school record for touchdown passes as well as having made the longest completed pass of the season.

He also holds the record for the most fumbles in OT and the most ints in a quarter.