Football 101 for Getgrizzy

[PlayerRep]

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

Did you know that many handheld times are done in a way to approximate electronic times?

Did you know that most pro day times are handheld?

yes to your first question, but are you saying that henderson actually ran a 4.25 40 handheld and it was adjusted to make it a 4.4. it sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
yes to the second.

You obviously don't understand how the timer tries to approximate electronic times by how he uses his stopwatch. The time isn't adjusted from what is on the clock. What's wrong with handheld times done by people who know how to time?Again, scouts do that at pro days. Scouts even do that at the NFL Combine.

 

[PlayerRep]

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

This is one of your stupid comments I'm questioning:

"our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out there or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

"We don't have much speed out there." This comment is not limited to last year's starters.

"Or a qb that can get it to them."

These are two incorrect comments. Actually, stupid and dumbass comments.

How many times do I have to explain the facts to you?

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

our top wr did only have 23 catches last year. that's henderson. he's fast, but not blazing fast, but the fastest of the three top returners with saylor and walcott being the others and we know saylor isn't fast and walcott is quick, but not a deep threat. the combo of those three equals not much speed out there. are you trying to say those are three burners?
all i said was the furthest i've seen j.j. throw it is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing it further link it up.

all you have to do is provide some evidence to support your point and quit expecting everyone to just take your word for everything. you are a lawyer, right? you do understand that concept, don't you?

Henderson is fast, and athletic. 4.4 is very fast. Walcott is very fast. He is a deep threat. There are multiple other receivers on the team, who will contribute this year. Certainly Jamal. What I want is for you to admit that your original statement that team did not have speed at receiver, is incorrect, because it is. UM may have the most speed at receiver that it's ever had.

 

[PlayerRep]

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

Ah, come on, he ain't that bad. He sure as hell ain't one tenth as belligerent as "Growler1" was. So he doesn't like hand held clockings and thinks the 40 yard dash times are a myth, so what? He has his doubts, who doesn't? Extrapolating from performances from last year or even from two years ago can do that. Until it's played on the field there are still plenty of doubters; doesn't make them evil, does it?

basically what p.r. is saying is that not only do i have to believe we're going to be very good this year (i do, i predict 9-3), but that we're going to be good in the same way that he thinks we'll be good and that my take on our personnel has to be the same. i think p.r. predicted we'd go 10-2. not much difference there. i could see us going 10-2 or 11-1. i could see us going 8-4 or 7-5. but, ya know, if you don't see everything exactly as p.r. sees it you don't know anything about football. :lol:

if people want to come back and say 'i told ya so' if j.j. puts up huge numbers this year, that's 100% fine by me, but i won't come back and rub anyone's nose in it, if its our run game that leads us back to the top of the big sky. :thumb:

I don't care whether you think the team will be good, and have never said you should think the team will be good. I don't recall making any predictions on the season, but maybe I did at some point. I am merely pointing our your factual mistakes, i.e. the lack of speed in the receiver corps, how valuable JJ is the team, how far JJ can throw the ball, etc. If you can't see how valuable JJ was to the team in 2011, and would have been in 2012 had he played, or think JJ's season stats for all of 2011 support your view on JJ, then my view is that you don't understand the game.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

 

[PTGrizzly]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

 

[PlayerRep]

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

 

[PlayerRep]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

 

[getgrizzy]

Montana’s defense also had its moments, particularly in live 7-on-7 competition. Senior corner Anthony Goodwin was up to the task when Taylor Walcott tried to burn him on a deep pattern.

i realize this is just one play, but the timing of it being in the missoulian today is funny to me. :lol: its good news for the secondary at least.
http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/football/griz-don-full-pads-for-first-time-show-rushing-potential/article_79b4bb34-0228-11e3-a987-0019bb2963f4.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PTGrizzly]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

I simply saw where GG had mentioned that most 40 times are inaccurate if they are handheld, which I agree with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't try to add words to what I'm saying.

 

[getgrizzy]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

i posted 100m times because they're more often than not electronically timed even in high school these days. that way you can make a better comparison. 40 times are rarely electronically timed in high school. a 4.4 40 time in high school works out to about 4.55 or 4.6. a 11.34 100m time is probably electronic and needs no re-calculating.

 

[getgrizzy]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

I simply saw where GG had mentioned that most 40 times are inaccurate if they are handheld, which I agree with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't try to add words to what I'm saying.

he's just mad because you didn't agree with him. he's like that for some reason. he can't agree to disagree with anyone. if anyone thinks our qb has a cannon arm and our wrs all run 4.4 and under 40s that's fine. just trying to put an alternate take, with references, on things out there.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

 

[PlayerRep]

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

For the most part, the things in my list are not opinions. They are either facts or can be objectively proven by experts.

 

[PlayerRep]

I certainly won't agree with GG on many things, but he is correct on the 40 yard dash thing.

They're typically fairly inaccurate. Too much human error involved, they'll typically be off by at least a tenth of a second or so.

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

I simply saw where GG had mentioned that most 40 times are inaccurate if they are handheld, which I agree with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't try to add words to what I'm saying.

he's just mad because you didn't agree with him. he's like that for some reason. he can't agree to disagree with anyone. if anyone thinks our qb has a cannon arm and our wrs all run 4.4 and under 40s that's fine. just trying to put an alternate take, with references, on things out there.

Disagreeing with the below statement of yours does not equal cannon arm/all receivers run 4.4 and under.

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

 

[wbtfg]

Classic egriz thread.....keep 'er goin' fellas

 

[getgrizzy]

Note that gg started posting 100 meter times to support his view that the Griz didn't have speed at receiver. He also posted some 40 times. I countered by posting some more 40 times. gg didn't say 40 times aren't accurate. He merely attacked a 40 time I had found and posted.

Do you agree with this quote of gg, which is what sparked this discussion?

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

What's wrong with using 40 times and other quotes about speed, to counter one poster's statement that UM doesn't have much receiver speed?

I simply saw where GG had mentioned that most 40 times are inaccurate if they are handheld, which I agree with. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't try to add words to what I'm saying.

he's just mad because you didn't agree with him. he's like that for some reason. he can't agree to disagree with anyone. if anyone thinks our qb has a cannon arm and our wrs all run 4.4 and under 40s that's fine. just trying to put an alternate take, with references, on things out there.

Disagreeing with the below statement of yours does not equal cannon arm/all receivers run 4.4 and under.

"we don't have much speed out there [talking about receivers] or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

you're right it doesn't. look at that we agree! now what you gonna do? hug?

 

[poorgriz]

Classic egriz thread.....keep 'er goin' fellas

Absolutely! I just grabbed some more popcorn. A thread turning into a pissing match about how accurate 40 times are? On egriz? That's insane! Never heard of such a thing.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

For the most part, the things in my list are not opinions. They are either facts or can be objectively proven by experts.

GG:
Keep posting. To me, it appears that you present your opinions and try to back them up with facts. Other posters may have different opinions of what your facts prove but that's okay at least you're attempting to "back up" your positions. That means something. You do research too which is impressive. I am not saying that I agree with you but at least you try to present an alternative view on many topics. I think the dialog that your posts have caused have been thought provoking at the very least.
Plus, going "toe to toe" with PR is never easy. For that you've earned some respect IMO.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

For the most part, the things in my list are not opinions. They are either facts or can be objectively proven by experts.

PR:
I'm with you on your points. I'm just giving GG credit for attempting to defend his positions with his version of the facts. Kinda like an opposing lawyer in the courtroom that you are facing. You may not agree with his arguments but you respect his tactics and approach to the case.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Classic egriz thread.....keep 'er goin' fellas

Thanks for the encouragement.

My take on 'speed,' 'quickness,' etc., etc., etc., is that if you can't outrun the opposition it don't matter anyways.

 

[PlayerRep]

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

For the most part, the things in my list are not opinions. They are either facts or can be objectively proven by experts.

CV, do you agree that the Griz don't have any speed at receiver this year, don't have a qb who can get them the ball, not having JJ last year did not have a major impact on the season, JJ won't be a huge factor this season, JJ can't throw the ball over 50 yards, JJ's season stats in 2011 support the view that JJ isn't that good of a qb and won't have a major impact this season? Or which of those things do you agree with?

No. I can't say that I agree with those opinions. My point about GG is that he has his opinions, he tries to back up those opinions with what he thinks are relevant facts and he doesn't back down from his opinions when challenged. Even if I disagree with most of his points, I respect his effort. GG's answers to many sort of "hostile" poster's charges have been calm and well thought out IMO. He doesn't respond to posters that disagree with him with any emotional responses. He was even charged with being a closet MSU fan and he didn't flinch. IMO He deserves credit for that. Finally, at this point in the season his opinions are as valid as anybody else's. Nobody on E-Griz has a "crystal ball". We'll find out soon enough if GG's arguments have any merit as the season is about to start.

For the most part, the things in my list are not opinions. They are either facts or can be objectively proven by experts.

PR:
I'm with you on your points. I'm just giving GG credit for attempting to defend his positions with his version of the facts. Kinda like an opposing lawyer in the courtroom that you are facing. You may not agree with his arguments but you respect his tactics and approach to the case.

I agree with your comments on GG. However, I don't know why he had too jump on me on my initial post about the secondary. If he's going to do stuff like that, then I'm going to point out all the incorrect or dumb stuff he posts.