Football 101 for Getgrizzy

[AZGrizFan]

100m times of our top three returning wrs.
henderson 11.34
saylor didn't run the 100, ran the 400 in 55.50
warren has no record of running track. he's 5-7 and quick, but doesn't strike me as a deep threat.

walcott (10.74) and naccarto (10.84) are very fast, i'll give you that, but they need to get on the field. they only combined for seven catches last year.

yeah, i know, these aren't 40 times, but 40 times are usually a myth. if you have one that is electronically timed, i'll believe it, but until then not legit.

you guys post, but you never bring anything to the table to back yourselves up. bring it or quit wasting my time.

the furthest i've ever seen johnson throw a football in a game is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing further post it. if not, again, quit wasting my time.

Does a QB need to throw a ball farther than 50 yards to be able to "stretch the field"? To be ABLE to throw the ball further than 50 yards would require the offensive line to sustain blocks and maintain a pocket for FAR longer than most O-Lines are able to. The one time I did see JJ throw a ball further than 50 yards (and it was a strike, BTW), he was scrambling....think THAT's easy to do?

And an 11.24 100 with great field vision, awareness and moves can (and will) be lethal.

 

[tgreseth]

thanks for the reasonable response bjorn. yes, i get that speed isn't everything, but when you want to stretch the field consistently and have that be a legit threat its a must.

A good receiver can "create space" to catch the football without running past the d-back. Our run game will make d-backs cheat up, and we've got receivers who can get open. JJ knows how to make plays. I don't know and really don't care if he can throw the ball 50 yards. IMO, he doesn't need to be able to do that.

YITB

 

[PlayerRep]

100m times of our top three returning wrs.
henderson 11.34
saylor didn't run the 100, ran the 400 in 55.50
warren has no record of running track. he's 5-7 and quick, but doesn't strike me as a deep threat.

walcott (10.74) and naccarto (10.84) are very fast, i'll give you that, but they need to get on the field. they only combined for seven catches last year.

yeah, i know, these aren't 40 times, but 40 times are usually a myth. if you have one that is electronically timed, i'll believe it, but until then not legit.

you guys post, but you never bring anything to the table to back yourselves up. bring it or quit wasting my time.

the furthest i've ever seen johnson throw a football in a game is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing further post it. if not, again, quit wasting my time.

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

 

[WaGriz4life]

My favorite part about this whole thing is that getgrizzy acts like making 50 yard throws isn't long enough :lol: :lol: yeah, tons of teams out there completing 70 yard throws in the air :lol: You are such a dumbass

 

[PlayerRep]

My favorite part about this whole thing is that getgrizzy acts like making 50 yard throws isn't long enough :lol: :lol: yeah, tons of teams out there completing 70 yard throws in the air :lol: You are such a dumbass

And gg must not have watched spring scrimmages or practices, because he would have seen the improved arms strength and accuracy of JJ. And gg refuses to acknowledge it is true that JJ can throw the ball almost 10 yards farther now than he could 2 years ago. He specifically worked on arms strength, especially with weight and resistance exercises.

 

[PlayerRep]

Jamal Jones, the UW transfer receiver, is listed at 4.43 in the 40 in this Rivals listing. That's very fast. It looks like there are probably at least 5 receivers on the roster with 4.4 or so speed. When has UM ever had that much speed at receiver? How fast is the Indiana frosh receiver? He must be pretty fast in the 40 if he ran a 48.1 400.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/washington/football/recruiting/player-Jamaal-Jones-109436" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Hammer]

My favorite part about this whole thing is that getgrizzy acts like making 50 yard throws isn't long enough :lol: :lol: yeah, tons of teams out there completing 70 yard throws in the air :lol: You are such a dumbass

And gg must not have watched spring scrimmages or practices, because he would have seen the improved arms strength and accuracy of JJ. And gg refuses to acknowledge it is true that JJ can throw the ball almost 10 yards farther now than he could 2 years ago. He specifically worked on arms strength, especially with weight and resistance exercises.

It was very evident in that final spring scrim that his arm was much stronger and from the reports from practice that JJ looks to be in midseason form already. Kid is going to have a huge year!

 

[Copper Griz]

My favorite part about this whole thing is that getgrizzy acts like making 50 yard throws isn't long enough :lol: :lol: yeah, tons of teams out there completing 70 yard throws in the air :lol: You are such a dumbass

And gg must not have watched spring scrimmages or practices, because he would have seen the improved arms strength and accuracy of JJ. And gg refuses to acknowledge it is true that JJ can throw the ball almost 10 yards farther now than he could 2 years ago. He specifically worked on arms strength, especially with weight and resistance exercises.

It was very evident in that final spring scrim that his arm was much stronger and from the reports from practice that JJ looks to be in midseason form already. Kid is going to have a huge year!

Watched him yesterday and their is no doubt about his arm strength. None. Any opponent banking on JJ leaving passes short or not having velocity - will regret it. I actually hope teams do not respect his ability for the long ball or zippers over the middle. Doesn't really matter what anyone thinks. He will prove himself shortly. Three headed dragon common from this offense. Defenses better be damn good. Play calling is the biggest unknown. I think things will work out fine.

 

[getgrizzy]

100m times of our top three returning wrs.
henderson 11.34
saylor didn't run the 100, ran the 400 in 55.50
warren has no record of running track. he's 5-7 and quick, but doesn't strike me as a deep threat.

walcott (10.74) and naccarto (10.84) are very fast, i'll give you that, but they need to get on the field. they only combined for seven catches last year.

yeah, i know, these aren't 40 times, but 40 times are usually a myth. if you have one that is electronically timed, i'll believe it, but until then not legit.

you guys post, but you never bring anything to the table to back yourselves up. bring it or quit wasting my time.

the furthest i've ever seen johnson throw a football in a game is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing further post it. if not, again, quit wasting my time.

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

100m times of our top three returning wrs.
henderson 11.34
saylor didn't run the 100, ran the 400 in 55.50
warren has no record of running track. he's 5-7 and quick, but doesn't strike me as a deep threat.

walcott (10.74) and naccarto (10.84) are very fast, i'll give you that, but they need to get on the field. they only combined for seven catches last year.

yeah, i know, these aren't 40 times, but 40 times are usually a myth. if you have one that is electronically timed, i'll believe it, but until then not legit.

you guys post, but you never bring anything to the table to back yourselves up. bring it or quit wasting my time.

the furthest i've ever seen johnson throw a football in a game is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing further post it. if not, again, quit wasting my time.

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

 

[getgrizzy]

100m times of our top three returning wrs.
henderson 11.34
saylor didn't run the 100, ran the 400 in 55.50
warren has no record of running track. he's 5-7 and quick, but doesn't strike me as a deep threat.

walcott (10.74) and naccarto (10.84) are very fast, i'll give you that, but they need to get on the field. they only combined for seven catches last year.

yeah, i know, these aren't 40 times, but 40 times are usually a myth. if you have one that is electronically timed, i'll believe it, but until then not legit.

you guys post, but you never bring anything to the table to back yourselves up. bring it or quit wasting my time.

the furthest i've ever seen johnson throw a football in a game is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing further post it. if not, again, quit wasting my time.

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

Straightline speed does not equal success on the football field. It's a tremendously valuable attribute in the right athlete but doesn't make a difference if you can't catch the ball or make gains after the play. There are many examples of highly-touted nfl players with "burner speed" that won't sniff HOF status. The really great WR's aren't necessarily recognized for their speed but for their ability to get open, catch the ball, and make plays after the catch.

And to think the one individual that's 'widely considered to be the greatest wide receiver in NFL history" only had a 4.65 in the 40-yard dash in his initial combine < http://www.40-yard-dash-times.com/about-40-yard-dash-times.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[PlayerRep]

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

This is one of your stupid comments I'm questioning:

"our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out there or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

"We don't have much speed out there." This comment is not limited to last year's starters.

"Or a qb that can get it to them."

These are two incorrect comments. Actually, stupid and dumbass comments.

How many times do I have to explain the facts to you?

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

This article had Henderson at 4.4 in the 40, handheld, in high school. That's fast.

""His zero to 60 is pretty good. He gets to top speed in a few steps," said Camas coach Jon Eagle, whose Papermakers played against Henderson and Skyview in 2009.

Henderson, who said he's been hand-timed at 4.4 seconds in the 40...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/clark-county/index.ssf/2010/09/on_offense_and_defense_ellis_hendersons_efforts_at_skyview_" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why no mention of the true frosh from Texas? He's a burner, and probably one of the fastest kids to ever come to UM.

Walcott is completely in the mix for significant playing time.

We'll see how the receivers come together this year, but to say that we have no speed at receiver is not accurate.

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

Did you know that many handheld times are done in a way to approximate electronic times?

Did you know that most pro day times are handheld?

 

[Washgrizfan1]

First classes in Law School:
Egriz101: How to Post and Agitate Others
Ethics101: Business Ethics
Foot101: I Played Football and You Didn't

And by 3rd year, the courses looks like this:

301: How to deal with being a 1%er.

302: How to charge $1,000 per hour in New York or Silicon Valley, or $500 in a rural state.

303: How to deal with dummies.

304: Can Bobcats really be that dumb.

 

[WyomingGrizFan]

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

Ah, come on, he ain't that bad. He sure as hell ain't one tenth as belligerent as "Growler1" was. So he doesn't like hand held clockings and thinks the 40 yard dash times are a myth, so what? He has his doubts, who doesn't? Extrapolating from performances from last year or even from two years ago can do that. Until it's played on the field there are still plenty of doubters; doesn't make them evil, does it?

 

[getgrizzy]

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

Did you know that many handheld times are done in a way to approximate electronic times?

Did you know that most pro day times are handheld?

yes to your first question, but are you saying that henderson actually ran a 4.25 40 handheld and it was adjusted to make it a 4.4. it sure sounds like that's what you're saying.
yes to the second.

 

[getgrizzy]

really like how you have to misquote me to make me look bad. :lol: i never said henderson wasn't fast. i'm talking about the top three returning wrs from last year. i said that walcott is fast, so is naccarato. why don't you grow up? if you think you know who the starters are going to be why don't you post it and their times. a handheld 4.4 40 is a 4.55-4.6 40 and that's not blazing speed by any stretch. just because you don't know what you're talking about and other people who also don't know what they're talking about support what you say, doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. :lol:

Where/how did I "misquote" you regarding Henderson? I merely posted his 40 time.

You said, initially, that UM had no speed at receiver. You didn't limit it to last year's starters.

Warren, Henderson, Walcott, Saylor, Jamal, Haynes, Chase N, Burke (?), maybe Rogers.

obviously i'm talking about this years starters (more precisely the top receivers by number of catches from last year), not last year's starters. why would i be talking about last year's starters when most of them are gone. why would i talk about guys on the bench: guys on the bench aren't even a factor in the game.

me posting a time for him and no comment on it, then you coming back and saying he ran a 4.4 40 handheld and that it is fast gives implies that i said henderson isn't fast. henderson isn't blazing fast by any stretch, but he's fast.

This is one of your stupid comments I'm questioning:

"our top returning receiver only had 23 catches last year and we don't have much speed out there or a qb that can get it to them if we could."

"We don't have much speed out there." This comment is not limited to last year's starters.

"Or a qb that can get it to them."

These are two incorrect comments. Actually, stupid and dumbass comments.

How many times do I have to explain the facts to you?

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

our top wr did only have 23 catches last year. that's henderson. he's fast, but not blazing fast, but the fastest of the three top returners with saylor and walcott being the others and we know saylor isn't fast and walcott is quick, but not a deep threat. the combo of those three equals not much speed out there. are you trying to say those are three burners?
all i said was the furthest i've seen j.j. throw it is 50 yards. if you have video of him throwing it further link it up.

all you have to do is provide some evidence to support your point and quit expecting everyone to just take your word for everything. you are a lawyer, right? you do understand that concept, don't you?

 

[getgrizzy]

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

Ah, come on, he ain't that bad. He sure as hell ain't one tenth as belligerent as "Growler1" was. So he doesn't like hand held clockings and thinks the 40 yard dash times are a myth, so what? He has his doubts, who doesn't? Extrapolating from performances from last year or even from two years ago can do that. Until it's played on the field there are still plenty of doubters; doesn't make them evil, does it?

basically what p.r. is saying is that not only do i have to believe we're going to be very good this year (i do, i predict 9-3), but that we're going to be good in the same way that he thinks we'll be good and that my take on our personnel has to be the same. i think p.r. predicted we'd go 10-2. not much difference there. i could see us going 10-2 or 11-1. i could see us going 8-4 or 7-5. but, ya know, if you don't see everything exactly as p.r. sees it you don't know anything about football. :lol:

if people want to come back and say 'i told ya so' if j.j. puts up huge numbers this year, that's 100% fine by me, but i won't come back and rub anyone's nose in it, if its our run game that leads us back to the top of the big sky. :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

The good news is that almost everyone on the board now knows that you don't have a clue about the game.

Ah, come on, he ain't that bad. He sure as hell ain't one tenth as belligerent as "Growler1" was. So he doesn't like hand held clockings and thinks the 40 yard dash times are a myth, so what? He has his doubts, who doesn't? Extrapolating from performances from last year or even from two years ago can do that. Until it's played on the field there are still plenty of doubters; doesn't make them evil, does it?

gg is very negative, says some things that aren't accurate, and in my view doesn't know much about football. I can see it in his statements at times. Correct, he's not belligerent at all. In fact, I kinda like the guy.

He's the one who said we had no speed at receiver. He's the one who started supplying times. So I responded. Don't blame me for what gg started and was saying/doing.