Field goals

[marceagfan5]

Passing on field goals inside the 30 was "ego" driven and should be discussed as such. You can certainly accept passing on one of the FG's but not two. Personally, I can see this devil may care attitude (ego) of Coach Stitt and it flies in the face of solid coaching. Yes, we need help in the O line and many other places, but we have quality people in key places. Who in this league would not want Roberts, Henderson, & Jones for their starting wide outs? Throw those quick slants and crossing patterns and let the receiver run with the ball. We don't need 40 yard throws. Kick the FG's, coach smart, get rid of the ego. Think about that!!

The Big Sky is full of teams with good offenses and poor defenses, FG's aren't going to win a lot of games. Hell, Eastern has only attempted 1 FG the entire season.

Stitt wants to put 7 on the board and I think his philosophy is if its 50/50 on 4th down, I'll take the chance of getting 7 once than getting 6 on two field goals. Time will tell how this will work and Stitt will have to adapt some of his concepts at the D1 level but I don't think its a ego thing...

The Griz are not scoring 45-55 points a game, they need what they can get

Ya, but kicking FG's wont get you there, and convert more red zone possessions and the Griz are easily over 40 week in week out.

 

[grizindabox]

Passing on field goals inside the 30 was "ego" driven and should be discussed as such. You can certainly accept passing on one of the FG's but not two. Personally, I can see this devil may care attitude (ego) of Coach Stitt and it flies in the face of solid coaching. Yes, we need help in the O line and many other places, but we have quality people in key places. Who in this league would not want Roberts, Henderson, & Jones for their starting wide outs? Throw those quick slants and crossing patterns and let the receiver run with the ball. We don't need 40 yard throws. Kick the FG's, coach smart, get rid of the ego. Think about that!!

The Big Sky is full of teams with good offenses and poor defenses, FG's aren't going to win a lot of games. Hell, Eastern has only attempted 1 FG the entire season.

Stitt wants to put 7 on the board and I think his philosophy is if its 50/50 on 4th down, I'll take the chance of getting 7 once than getting 6 on two field goals. Time will tell how this will work and Stitt will have to adapt some of his concepts at the D1 level but I don't think its a ego thing...

The Griz are not scoring 45-55 points a game, they need what they can get

Seems to me they were trying to get what they could by going for touchdowns....

 

[markson161]

Passing on field goals inside the 30 was "ego" driven and should be discussed as such. You can certainly accept passing on one of the FG's but not two. Personally, I can see this devil may care attitude (ego) of Coach Stitt and it flies in the face of solid coaching. Yes, we need help in the O line and many other places, but we have quality people in key places. Who in this league would not want Roberts, Henderson, & Jones for their starting wide outs? Throw those quick slants and crossing patterns and let the receiver run with the ball. We don't need 40 yard throws. Kick the FG's, coach smart, get rid of the ego. Think about that!!

The Big Sky is full of teams with good offenses and poor defenses, FG's aren't going to win a lot of games. Hell, Eastern has only attempted 1 FG the entire season.

Stitt wants to put 7 on the board and I think his philosophy is if its 50/50 on 4th down, I'll take the chance of getting 7 once than getting 6 on two field goals. Time will tell how this will work and Stitt will have to adapt some of his concepts at the D1 level but I don't think its a ego thing...

The Griz are not scoring 45-55 points a game, they need what they can get

Seems to me they were trying to get what they could by going for touchdowns....

Still, 3 is better than 0

 

[grizindabox]

The Griz are not scoring 45-55 points a game, they need what they can get

Seems to me they were trying to get what they could by going for touchdowns....

Still, 3 is better than 0

you are right....28-3 does look better than 28-0......guess 3 is only really better than 0 in certain situations....

Stitt had no confidence that his 3 string QB could get him in the same position again in the game and decided to roll the dice....should he have kicked it....maybe....but I did not have an issue with the decision to go for it...

 

[Glendivegriz]

Well we have just bluntly sucks for several reasons and I'm not prepared to air on this forum. The topic is field goals referring to the as I game. So yes.

This post absolutely makes no sense. Where did your HS English teachers let you down?

Spell check f up. U.M. law actually.

 

[kemajic]

Statler, No, I wasn't there, but yes, I do know for a fact that Stitt's philosophies on going for it on fourth down, field goal kicking and punting were discussed at GREAT LENGTH during the hiring process. Yes, I absolutely know for a fact he laid that out for Kent and others numerous times.

I think he also laid out that he would score a ton of TDs. Montana is currently 9th in the BSC in TDs per game. And ironically, Sullivan is leading the BSC in field goals.

All which relate to struggles in the red zone...because of execution...

It relates to more than that. We are in the red zone too much; we have no breakaway capability. Most offenses in the BSC have more TDs than red zone appearances. Not Montana. We seem incapable of bypassing the red zone. And with little running game, no TEs, etc. we are not good in the red zone; more than execution.

It also relates to the facts that we are 10th in the BSC in 3rd down conversion % and 9th in the BSC in 4th down conversion %. Killers.

 

[statler & waldorf]

If, If, if. Didn't happen. IF it had, we would have something else to bitch about.

 

[grizindabox]

Statler, No, I wasn't there, but yes, I do know for a fact that Stitt's philosophies on going for it on fourth down, field goal kicking and punting were discussed at GREAT LENGTH during the hiring process. Yes, I absolutely know for a fact he laid that out for Kent and others numerous times.

I think he also laid out that he would score a ton of TDs. Montana is currently 9th in the BSC in TDs per game. And ironically, Sullivan is leading the BSC in field goals.

All which relate to struggles in the red zone...because of execution...

It relates to more than that. We are in the red zone too much; we have no breakaway capability. Most offenses in the BSC have more TDs than red zone appearances. Not Montana. We seem incapable of bypassing the red zone. And with little running game, no TEs, etc. we are not good in the red zone; more than execution.

It also relates to the facts that we are 10th in the BSC in 3rd down conversion % and 9th in the BSC in 4th down conversion %. Killers.

just a hunch...but probably has something to do with the OL....maybe...

Also, I am getting tired of the TE argument...you don't need a TE to run the ball...there are other ways...

I will agree with 3 down conversion...huge deal

 

[grizindabox]

If, If, if. Didn't happen. IF it had, we would have something else to bitch about.

like if you procreate......

 

[rgrizfan]

Hindsight is 20/20, if he would have gotten one of them then we would have praised it.

He owned it in his postgame presser and didn't shift blame. He's got balls, I like it honestly....we needed someone to come in and mix things up, and he's delivered. Plus, HE GOT TO THE RED ZONE. I have a hard time believing that Delaney would have even had half as many red zone trips as Stitt by this time in the season.

There were more points scored in the first 6 games last year than so far this year.

We had a first string QB playing last year....

 

[Glendivegriz]

Hindsight is 20/20, if he would have gotten one of them then we would have praised it.

He owned it in his postgame presser and didn't shift blame. He's got balls, I like it honestly....we needed someone to come in and mix things up, and he's delivered. Plus, HE GOT TO THE RED ZONE. I have a hard time believing that Delaney would have even had half as many red zone trips as Stitt by this time in the season.

There were more points scored in the first 6 games last year than so far this year.

We had a first string QB playing last year....

And a different offensive philosophy that was more power oriented. Two different blocking techniques.

 

[rgrizfan]

It isn't ego, it's his system and his football philosophy. He told the search committee, Haslam, Engstrom, the GSA, and anyone else involved in the hiring process that he didn't like kicking field goals. He told them his belief is that he's giving up on the offense when he sends the kicker or punter out there. He told them that UP FRONT, he didn't hide it, it was no secret, and he was hired and given a three-year contract even after he made that point very, very, very clear to everyone involved with the University of Montana football program. He was hired based on his offensive philosophies, his principles on what he believes a football program should be on and off the field, and he was hired because he was bringing a refreshing viewpoint to the program. He's not going to change his philosophies now, and that's not ego. He has been given the reigns to do the job HIS WAY. Even after the Weber game, he's going to go for it more often than he's going to kick. He will kick some too, but not as much as conventional coaches do. That's the Montana Grizzlies under Bob Stitt and it's not changing.

We'll see how long he sticks to that philosophy. He has to consider the amount of pressure he's putting on his O. BH knew the value of FGs, and rode them to many season and playoff successes. Any more, just like in the NFL, FGs are the difference between wins and losses. Stitt is showing an old, prideful philosophy that football gets down to grind it out, while the rest of the conference, the FCS, the BCS, and the NFL are beyond this. Maybe Coach Stitt is not as innovative as we think and he claims.

BH just did not know the value in winning Chippers....

 

[rgrizfan]

Hindsight is 20/20, if he would have gotten one of them then we would have praised it.

He owned it in his postgame presser and didn't shift blame. He's got balls, I like it honestly....we needed someone to come in and mix things up, and he's delivered. Plus, HE GOT TO THE RED ZONE. I have a hard time believing that Delaney would have even had half as many red zone trips as Stitt by this time in the season.

There were more points scored in the first 6 games last year than so far this year.

We had a first string QB playing last year....

And a different offensive philosophy that was more power oriented. Two different blocking techniques.

JJ would be loving this offense...

 

[brewskis]

Hindsight is 20/20, if he would have gotten one of them then we would have praised it.

He owned it in his postgame presser and didn't shift blame. He's got balls, I like it honestly....we needed someone to come in and mix things up, and he's delivered. Plus, HE GOT TO THE RED ZONE. I have a hard time believing that Delaney would have even had half as many red zone trips as Stitt by this time in the season.

There were more points scored in the first 6 games last year than so far this year.

We had a first string QB playing last year....

And a different offensive philosophy that was more power oriented. Two different blocking techniques.

Those days are done and gone for the foreseeable future. Get used to it.

 

[Glendivegriz]

There were more points scored in the first 6 games last year than so far this year.

We had a first string QB playing last year....

And a different offensive philosophy that was more power oriented. Two different blocking techniques.

JJ would be loving this offense...

For all three games he was healthy the way we are going.

 

[rgrizfan]

Even if for only 3 games...he would be a lot of fun to watch running this offense!

 

[Eriul]

Passing on field goals inside the 30 was "ego" driven and should be discussed as such. You can certainly accept passing on one of the FG's but not two. Personally, I can see this devil may care attitude (ego) of Coach Stitt and it flies in the face of solid coaching. Yes, we need help in the O line and many other places, but we have quality people in key places. Who in this league would not want Roberts, Henderson, & Jones for their starting wide outs? Throw those quick slants and crossing patterns and let the receiver run with the ball. We don't need 40 yard throws. Kick the FG's, coach smart, get rid of the ego. Think about that!!

The Big Sky is full of teams with good offenses and poor defenses, FG's aren't going to win a lot of games. Hell, Eastern has only attempted 1 FG the entire season.

Stitt wants to put 7 on the board and I think his philosophy is if its 50/50 on 4th down, I'll take the chance of getting 7 once than getting 6 on two field goals. Time will tell how this will work and Stitt will have to adapt some of his concepts at the D1 level but I don't think its a ego thing...

I don't have the stats in front of me but something tells me we aren't 50/50 on 4th down. If I had the stats in front of me I could find a formula for points scored from a successful 4th down conversion that resulted in 7 and compare that to points scored from a successful kick. I don't know if that makes sense but intuition tells me that if we used the stats so far this season we would find it quite in favor of kicking field goals on fourth down when within the 30 yard line and 4th down being around 1-2 yards.

I don't know if that makes any sense haha

 

[kemajic]

I don't have the stats in front of me but something tells me we aren't 50/50 on 4th down. If I had the stats in front of me I could find a formula for points scored from a successful 4th down conversion that resulted in 7 and compare that to points scored from a successful kick. I don't know if that makes sense but intuition tells me that if we used the stats so far this season we would find it quite in favor of kicking field goals on fourth down when within the 30 yard line and 4th down being around 1-2 yards.

I don't know if that makes any sense haha

The stats are now in front of you, lazy butt. haha Your suspicion is correct; Montana leads the BSC in turnovers via loss on downs (12).

4TH-DOWN CONVERSIONS GConv.Att.Pct.

1. Eastern Washington 5 7 8 87.5
2. Cal Poly 6 23 32 71.9
3. Montana State 5 9 15 60.0
4. Northern Arizona 6 5 9 55.6
5. UC Davis 6 6 11 54.5
6. Southern Utah 5 3 6 50.0
North Dakota 6 2 4 50.0
Portland State 5 2 4 50.0
9. Montana 6 11 23 47.8
10. Idaho State 6 6 14 42.9
11. Weber State 6 3 8 37.5
12. Northern Colorado 5 2 8 25.0
13. Sacramento State 6 1 5 20.0

 

[Eriul]

I don't have the stats in front of me but something tells me we aren't 50/50 on 4th down. If I had the stats in front of me I could find a formula for points scored from a successful 4th down conversion that resulted in 7 and compare that to points scored from a successful kick. I don't know if that makes sense but intuition tells me that if we used the stats so far this season we would find it quite in favor of kicking field goals on fourth down when within the 30 yard line and 4th down being around 1-2 yards.

I don't know if that makes any sense haha

The stats are now in front of you, lazy butt. haha Your suspicion is correct; Montana leads the BSC in turnovers via loss on downs (12).

4TH-DOWN CONVERSIONS GConv.Att.Pct.

1. Eastern Washington 5 7 8 87.5
2. Cal Poly 6 23 32 71.9
3. Montana State 5 9 15 60.0
4. Northern Arizona 6 5 9 55.6
5. UC Davis 6 6 11 54.5
6. Southern Utah 5 3 6 50.0
North Dakota 6 2 4 50.0
Portland State 5 2 4 50.0
9. Montana 6 11 23 47.8
10. Idaho State 6 6 14 42.9
11. Weber State 6 3 8 37.5
12. Northern Colorado 5 2 8 25.0
13. Sacramento State 6 1 5 20.0

Yah I was posting on my phone in bed. Wasn't about to do some research while snuggling in my onesie

 

[Grizzoola]

A fair question to ask re: FGs vs. 4th down conversions is, How many points have the Griz scored going for it on 4th down vs. the situations in which a FG would have gotten them points? Maybe there's a stats guru on this board that could answer this.