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Eric Sanders New DC

If your primary reason for believing a team is in a 3 man front is because there’s a 1 tech and not two 3 techs I’m going to have to question your understanding of defensive football.
Also the cats lined up primarily with a 1 tech (sometimes 2i) and a 3 tech. The only time I saw them do anything different was on passing downs when they brought their 4 defensive ends in on the line…in both games
It’s very very seldom in college football that you see a 4 man front that lines up primarily or at all with both tackles at 3 tech
I don't know why we keep rehashing this. I didn't say anything about a 1 tech in an odd front.

Odd man fronts have the center covered (0 tech) and control the B gaps to spill running plays outside

Even fronts leave the center uncovered and cover the guards.

The easiest way to tell if a defense is in an odd front, is check if the center is covered. if they are, it's an odd front. If not, it's an even front.

Here's a good primer:
 
I don't know why we keep rehashing this. I didn't say anything about a 1 tech in an odd front.

Odd man fronts have the center covered (0 tech) and control the B gaps to spill running plays outside

Even fronts leave the center uncovered and cover the guards.

The easiest way to tell if a defense is in an odd front, is check if the center is covered. if they are, it's an odd front. If not, it's an even front.


Here's a good primer:
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That is categorically FALSE.
I keep rehashing it because you keep posting incorrect information.
The easiest way to tell if a front is an odd or even is to count the number of people on it.
Did you even watch the video you posted??? Go to the 1:26 mark.
I think you need to understand the definition of a 1 tech (often referred to as the “nose” even in 4 man fronts 🤔) which is the most common alignment for a nose in a 4 man front.
This should help:
Here’s a good primer…
Here’s another…
Here’s another
 
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I talked with someone very close to GRIZ Football at the Brawl basketball game.
We both agree, our offense will be elite this year. It'll take a handful of games to get the OL in sync. The OL coach and S&C cosch will have green lights to develop personnel.

Defensively, we're both not sure of tbe EWU hires. Apparently, BK really likes the EWU coaching upside potential. Better talent to work with should be beneficial. Also, they're natural fits with the existing staff. BK believes in unity a lot.

Don't be surprised if the secondary turns out to be s strength this coming season.
 
If your primary reason for believing a team is in a 3 man front is because there’s a 1 tech and not two 3 techs I’m going to have to question your understanding of defensive football.
Also the cats lined up primarily with a 1 tech (sometimes 2i) and a 3 tech. The only time I saw them do anything different was on passing downs when they brought their 4 defensive ends in on the line…in both games
It’s very very seldom in college football that you see a 4 man front that lines up primarily or at all with both tackles at 3 tech
The cats like almost all 4-2-5 defenses will line up a 1 tech and a 3 tech in an under front if the offense is in an 11 or 12 personell. If there is no TE you will often see two 3 techs in a 4-2-5.
 
The cats like almost all 4-2-5 defenses will line up a 1 tech and a 3 tech in an under front if the offense is in an 11 or 12 personell. If there is no TE you will often see two 3 techs in a 4-2-5.
EXACTLY!!! As I said in passing downs when they bring in their rush package with 4 DE’s on the line. They have a name for it. Something like the pussy package I believe
 
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That is categorically FALSE.
I keep rehashing it because you keep posting incorrect information.
The easiest way to tell if a front is an odd or even is to count the number of people on it.
Did you even watch the video you posted??? Go to the 1:26 mark.
I think you need to understand the definition of a 1 tech (often referred to as the “nose” even in 4 man fronts 🤔) which is the most common alignment for a nose in a 4 man front.
This should help:
Here’s a good primer…
Here’s another…
Here’s another
The center is not covered in a 4 man front whether it is an over or under front or whether the DTs are playing 1 or 3 or 3i techs You can call them N, NTs or DTs or whatever you want. No matter what you call the DL positions, the center is not covered in an even front. The odd fronts cover the centers.
 
The center is not covered in a 4 man front whether it is an over or under front or whether the DTs are playing 1 or 3 or 3i techs You can call them N, NTs or DTs or whatever you want. No matter what you call the DL positions, the center is not covered in an even front. The odd fronts cover the centers.
Again. You NEED to understand what a 1tech is. Literally lined up shading the center. Not on the guard. On the outside eye or shoulder of the CENTER.
 
Not covering the center. Learn what it means to cover the center
Now you’re just trying to play semantics. Earlier you were all “tHeY bOtH pLaY oN tHe GuArD”
Here’s the quote “Even fronts leave the center uncovered and cover the guards.”
Is lining up in the 1tech leaving the center uncovered and covering the guards?

Here’s another “From what I have rewatched from the Griz game, they used primarily an odd front (NT over the center). Against the Cats, it was primarily an even front (DTs using 3i tech).”

Notice the word you use is over not cover. So now are we going to redefine “over” as “cover”?

That’s ok. We both know you’re backtracking because you don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
 
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Now you’re just trying to play semantics. Earlier you were all “tHeY bOtH pLaY oN tHe GuArD”
Here’s your quote “From what I have rewatched from the Griz game, they used primarily an odd front (NT over the center). Against the Cats, it was primarily an even front (DTs using 3i tech).”
Notice the word you use is over not cover. So now are we going to redefine “over” as “cover”?
That’s ok. We both know you’re backtracking because you don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
over, cover, head up with the center, eyes up with the center, helmet to helmet with the center. Hell I've heard it so many different ways depending on the coach. It is semantics, just like everything in football. However, it all means the same thing.

You can continue this pissing contest with someone else because I know what I know and I don't need you to validate what I know. Just remember, don't piss into the wind
 
over, cover, head up with the center, eyes up with the center, helmet to helmet with the center. Hell I've heard it so many different ways depending on the coach. It is semantics, just like everything in football. However, it all means the same thing.

You can continue this pissing contest with someone else because I know what I know and I don't need you to validate what I know. Just remember, don't piss into the wind
You don’t need to validate something you clearly have no clue about. That is exactly what pissing into the wind is. And you’ve been doing it all over this thread.
And no it doesn’t mean the same thing. Lining up in the 1tech is NOT covering the guard. It IS over the center.
 
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What's funnier is thinking that the 3-3-5 that Seattle runs is anything similar to what Bobby ran.

It's like thinking that all 4-3 defenses are the same, or that all 4-2-5 defenses are the same. Nobody outside of the Rocky Long group runs the 3-3-5 like Bobby did.
Please explain the differences for us.
 
Please explain the differences for us.
Bobby’s 3-3-5 lacks gap control by design, it is built on creating confusion to win. The Hauck 3-3-5 has also been played almost exclusively by undersized DL and the Hauck 3-3-5 asks DBs to do more than most.
 
Bobby’s 3-3-5 lacks gap control by design, it is built on creating confusion to win. The Hauck 3-3-5 has also been played almost exclusively by undersized DL and the Hauck 3-3-5 asks DBs to do more than most.
Does it? Confusion, yes. How more on DB's than most? Doesn't that depend mostly on how much man coverage is played. Zone can also be played in the scheme, and is. I don't agree on the gap control comment.
 
Bobby’s 3-3-5 lacks gap control by design, it is built on creating confusion to win. The Hauck 3-3-5 has also been played almost exclusively by undersized DL and the Hauck 3-3-5 asks DBs to do more than most.
And how is his version different than what the Seahawks were running? Happy to hear the details.

This seems like goalpost moving. For YEARS now I have been hearing "no good teams at any level run a 3-3-5 because it is a gimmick defense that doesn't work." The Seahawks then run a LOT of it and have a hell of a season, including a dominant Super Bowl win. Now I am told "Well, they didn't run Hauck's specific style of 3-3-5."

Seems like moving the posts, from my perspective.
 
Does it? Confusion, yes. How more on DB's than most? Doesn't that depend mostly on how much man coverage is played. Zone can also be played in the scheme, and is. I don't agree on the gap control comment.
I see DBs blitzing and defending the run more often in the Hauck 3-3-5 as well as play man more often but you are correct zone is played in the same scheme as well like last season when Loud was injured.
 
And how is his version different than what the Seahawks were running? Happy to hear the details.

This seems like goalpost moving. For YEARS now I have been hearing "no good teams at any level run a 3-3-5 because it is a gimmick defense that doesn't work." The Seahawks then run a LOT of it and have a hell of a season, including a dominant Super Bowl win. Now I am told "Well, they didn't run Hauck's specific style of 3-3-5."

Seems like moving the posts, from my perspective.
I don’t know enough about what the Seahawks are doing to comment on their scheme.
 
And how is his version different than what the Seahawks were running? Happy to hear the details.

This seems like goalpost moving. For YEARS now I have been hearing "no good teams at any level run a 3-3-5 because it is a gimmick defense that doesn't work." The Seahawks then run a LOT of it and have a hell of a season, including a dominant Super Bowl win. Now I am told "Well, they didn't run Hauck's specific style of 3-3-5."

Seems like moving the posts, from my perspective.
For the most part, everyone screaming about the 3 3 5 conveniently forgot about the dominant defensive years we had under the 3 3 5. I will say, personnel matters, and we had key guys in key spots during the dominant years.

Unfortunately this season either were an injured player away from developing into an elite defense. Had loud been healthy all year, we were going to be pretty damn good.
 
Please explain the differences for us.
Sure!

For starters, Macdonald doesn't stay in the 3-3-5 all game long. It's a package that he uses, in order to be flexible. They're doing a lot more in the defensive backfield to confuse an offense than what Hauck did. Now some of that is because it's a pro team and they can study and practice all of those concepts A LOT more than what a college team has. It is a confusing defense to play against, but also to learn.

Macdonald also has some war daddies on the DL. Yes, I know that it's the NFL and there are more options available, but if he wanted smaller DL, he would get them, he's clearly doing this by choice. Hauck on the other hand preferred smaller defensive lineman because at this level, they're typically the only ones quick enough to do what he wants. Which is, shoot gaps rather than control gaps. Hauck's 3-3-5 defense is about confusion and chaos. I have seen multiple teams comment on how they knew that defense wasn't gap sound and they just needed to weather the storm. I know Tommy Mellott commented on it, pretty positive NDSU and SDSU have mentioned it as well. That is by design rather than lack of talent. I know you guys like to say that you just can't get good DT's at this level, but it's far from true. Hauck recruited what he wanted in terms of players. Macdonald's defense might be confusing, but it's very, very, gap sound. His defenses also don't blitz that much, which is a stark difference from what Hauck does.

This quote is from a Ted Nguyen article prior to the SB: "“We’re really kind of turning into like a 4-3 base team with a crazy athletic sam (linebacker), is what we are,” Macdonald told reporters earlier in the week." Another quote: "Macdonald has transitioned his Seattle scheme into a less aggressive and simpler one....That’s not to say the scheme is simple, but the complexity is in the nuances of the scheme rather than trying to run a bunch of pressure schemes 10 different ways." Ted Nguyen, btw, is an awesome read for any football fan. Highly recommend his stuff if you're an NFL fan. Now, this doesn't mean they're a simple defense, especially in the backfield, but they're also not doing crazy stuff like what Brian Flores is. Most, if not all, of the confusion for Seattle comes from the defensive backfield which I would say is the opposite of what Bobby did in Missoula.

I think the largest difference though is that Macdonald adjusts his defense to what offenses are doing, and Hauck rarely does. He stays in the 3 man front except for short distance and goal line. He sticks with what the defense does regardless of opponent or situation. For all of the confusion and chaos involved in the scheme, he's extremely rigid with what he does. Which is the opposite of what Macdonald does. I also think that for the 3-3-5 defense to be successful, you need at least one of two things: 1) Better athletes and personnel than everybody. You need some high level athletes at LB and on the DL. Hauck struggled with the latter of that portion. 2) You need a metric butt ton of time to be good at this scheme. It's just not something that college athletes are given a lot of. It's why, in general, you see defensive coaches preach that their schemes allow their players to play fast and physical, and the best way to do that is to keep the schemes simple relative to what the players can do.

Hope that explains some.
 

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