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Donaldson admits guilt in monitored phone call
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PlayerRep said:
He must be real guilty due the the $50,000 bail amount?
Noches de Passion
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PlayerRep said:
No, bro. That's not what I "believe" anymore today than I did on Friday when he was arrested. What I said then was that a six figure bond is significant, and for that number to exist a prosecutor must have some proveable allegations and strong factual support for those allegations. As the affidavit reveals, I was right. As the affidavit reveals, your instincts were wrong, PlayerRep.
Milt argued for Donaldson to be O/Rd. Any Justice of the Peace worth his or her salt knows that a rape charge demands no less than a 50,000 bond. The crime is serious. The penalties are grave.
And just so you know, PlayerRep, the way this bond thing works out is that the Donaldsons will either have to pay a bondsman 5,000 (10% of the bond) or front the entire amount. That bond will be exonerated if Donaldson appears at all court events as ordered. I hope I could fill you in, bro.
Noches de Passion said:
Thanks, bro. If the JP thought $100,000 was the right bail on Friday, why did he think $50,000 was the right bail today (presumably after he saw the affidavit)?
Yes, my instinct looks like it may have been wrong. And you were wrong on the Kemp/Johnson matter, thinking it was more serious than it turned out to be. And you were ready to cut and run prematurely on Jimmy Wilson after his biting incident, and on Ty Gregorak, and in my view you were wrong on both of those too.
BWahlberg said:
The second part of your statement is a very irresponsible thing to say. Why even go there? If you are trying to draw a connection between the use/abuse of painkillers and the actions of a rapists then that is deplorable. I don't want to get into what I do but let's say I have a good understanding of the criminal mind. People who sexually assault other people do so because they are predators. Alcohol and drugs are used in some cases to enhance a behavior that is already prevalent. And in almost all cases sexual offenders do not start with rape as their first offense, they have committed lesser offenses over a period of years. Eventually when these lesser sexual offenses no longer meet their needs they move on to more serious offenses. After reading this article, if what he said is true Mr. Donaldson is a predator. Just because he played football for the Griz he is no less guilty than anybody else and should not receive preferential treatment.
OptimusPrime
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havgrizfan said:
I agree, you should stop posting altogether. I for one don't think he deserves to be fired and I don't know anyone who does. How you can continue to make shit up is beyond me.havgrizfan said:
PlayerRep said:
This is accurate if you are talking about his right to continue as a student at the University. If you are saying that they would need to hold a hearing and give an athlete a chance to defend themselves before kicking them off a sports team, you are wrong. Just because they choose to let the legal system run its course in smaller matters, does not mean they will in this one. Playing football and/or a spot on the team is not a right guaranteed by the student conduct code.
There is a provision in the student conduct code that says in serious circumstances where the safety and welfare of the general student population were or are put at risk, that the conduct code can be applied to events that occurred of campus. (Section V.B)
In addition, the University may temporarily suspend a student pending disciplinary or criminal proceedings effective immediately and without prior notice.
"Such suspension or eviction will become immediately effective without prior notice whenever there is evidence that the student's continued presence on the campus constitutes a threat to the student or others or to the continuance of normal University operations." (Section V.D1)
http://life.umt.edu/vpsa/documents/StudentConductCode1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In other words, they could kick him out tomorrow until the legal matter is resolved. (And they probably will, but we most likely won't hear about it because of his right to confidentiality.)
grzz said:
I agree with some of you what you say. However, school is not in session, winter conditioning has not occurred, and he doesn't live on campus. Jeez, he's in jail. He's not threat to anyone on campus. I too assume they won't wait for the legal proceedings to progress. However, I would think, and hope, that they would make at least some attempt to see if there's any explanation and to provide a modest amount of due process. My guess is that he won't come back to school this semester, even if university action isn't taken by that time.
PlayerRep said:
Stuff it up your ass, jackoff. Something tells me YOU may be Ursus Major, two high and mighty fucks who equate a suggestive picture with being "part of the problem". This is a football message board, not Sunday School. I'll be sure and call you for legal help as soon as my picture causes me to sexually assault someone.
What a fucking buffoon you are.
edit: Oh, and you KNOW the only reason why you stalk me on egriz is so you can look at my avatar before you make some idiotic response to my posts...go ahead and admit it, pervert.
WopGriz said:
Voluntary intoxication is not a defense to a criminal charge in MT. I suspect that their defense will be that an unexpected interaction between his painkillers and alcohol led to his actions or deprived him of the ability to act with the requisite intent. They can make a plausible argument that he was beyond merely intoxicated and was involuntarily under the influence of the interaction between the drugs and the alcohol.
Tokyogriz
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Every single incident small or large that happens its endless name calling from many folks and blaming others for the actions of individuals.
Take responsiblity for your own actions or actually let the blame fall on those who commit these acts as opposed to the UM. Is there some acual evidence to UM promoting any illegal action be it drinking, gambling , rape, etc please do tell and then you may have a point. Sometimes big programs have covered up actions so if that is the case then lets hear it. Otherwise its always the same BS from people blaming others for the actions of people who commit an offense small or large.
Having come back from being overseas I was away from the whole mentallity of blame Americans seem to have here. In Japan people took blame for their own actions most often, sometimes even to excess to be honest. Here its Blame the coach, blame the teacher, blame the school for not instilling moral values or teaching me this or that moral fiber. Got news, its the parents amd the community children grow up in that hold the responsiblity for giving our children real morals. Teenagers and younger adults will test boundries etc but the foundation you as parents and We as a community give our kids on a daily basis is were you should be yelling for Blood.
Donaldson is a product of the city of missoula and his parents upbringing. If anyone should be ashamed besides this young man its his family AND to a lesser extent our community itself for not fostering the morals he needs.
Firing every single person who works at UM, doing blood tests, background checks, lie detector tests etc on every single new STUDENT and ATHLETE at UM will not elminate issues. The real issue is US and YOU not teaching and living our lifes in ways that instill the supposed values we demand in our children.
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Take responsiblity for your own actions or actually let the blame fall on those who commit these acts as opposed to the UM. Is there some acual evidence to UM promoting any illegal action be it drinking, gambling , rape, etc please do tell and then you may have a point. Sometimes big programs have covered up actions so if that is the case then lets hear it. Otherwise its always the same BS from people blaming others for the actions of people who commit an offense small or large.
Having come back from being overseas I was away from the whole mentallity of blame Americans seem to have here. In Japan people took blame for their own actions most often, sometimes even to excess to be honest. Here its Blame the coach, blame the teacher, blame the school for not instilling moral values or teaching me this or that moral fiber. Got news, its the parents amd the community children grow up in that hold the responsiblity for giving our children real morals. Teenagers and younger adults will test boundries etc but the foundation you as parents and We as a community give our kids on a daily basis is were you should be yelling for Blood.
Donaldson is a product of the city of missoula and his parents upbringing. If anyone should be ashamed besides this young man its his family AND to a lesser extent our community itself for not fostering the morals he needs.
Firing every single person who works at UM, doing blood tests, background checks, lie detector tests etc on every single new STUDENT and ATHLETE at UM will not elminate issues. The real issue is US and YOU not teaching and living our lifes in ways that instill the supposed values we demand in our children.
(repost but felt it was relevant to this thread as well)
bearister said:
Bearister - Yeah, but....WHENEVER a prescription is dispensed for a controlled drug (and others), the patient is counseled on the interaction and dangers of combining said drug with alcohol. Therefore, someone ingesting alcohol or other drugs that are centrally acting with a painkiller is not "involuntarily" under the influence. Sounds pretty voluntary to me!
