Does UM's declining enrollment impact athletic budget?

[poorgriz]

If RE doesn't see the impact Football success has on enrollment, he must be brain dead. The MSU football team won or tied for the Big Sky Championship in football for three years in a row, and now enrollment is setting records each year. Yes, Cruzado has a big part in that - but she also understands how important sports are.

 

[get'em_griz]

A big piece of the decline is also due to expiration of a number of entitlement type programs that enrolled hundreds of former mill workers in retraining programs along with welfare to wok programs that offered work or school. Right now RE is looking pretty good, if he muffs the growth trend and out of state enrollement, then there will be trouble. He may not be as visible as MSUs prez, but he is landing the big ones and being where it matters.

:lol: :lol:

 

[tnt]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

 

[justanotherfan]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

Keep beating that Engstrom drum. He is way over his head and the downward spiral will continue under the lack of his leadership....GUARANTEED!

The University of Montana deserves better! It's time to make a change an move on.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

Royce is that you???? The records are being set in athletic giving because donors are trying to keep this program afloat, not because Engstrom is working his ass off to get funding. But rather that he is killing everything and donors are stepping up to make sure that doesn't happen.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Also a success according to tnt

 

[griz4life]

To clarify here.

The University of Montana enrollment suffered at "net loss" of 421 students in fall 2013. The numbers are actually buoyed by community college enrollment and Missoula high school students taking university courses.

This year's decrease is 573 students lower than fall 2013 enrollment.

Remember that last year MSU rolled out its numbers 15 days after the beginning of classes, which is the typical release date for both universities, while UM took 30 days to really give the numbers a close look before releasing them.


The actual increase in new freshman for the same period year to year is actually --- drum roll --- 96 students!


Last year, the University of Montana credited the drop to a surge in interest in engineering, which UM doesn't offer at its main campus. No one was blaming the drop on vocational rehab students cycling out of the system.
So, if the new excuse is voc rehab students cycling out, does that mean interest in engineering is no longer to blame?

 

[tnt]

....
So, if the new excuse is voc rehab students cycling out, does that mean interest in engineering is no longer to blame?

No the more likley explanation is that the 200 former mill workers that graduated from the "small engine program" who are competing for all 6 snowmobile/quad repair jobs in the region are having a bit of trouble recommending the program. the health science folk are transferring to Bozeman or SKC. Liberal arts students aren't faring any better.

 

[PlayerRep]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

What are the records in athletic giving? We will see who has the last laugh on athletic giving by the family with alot of current or former coaches.

 

[tnt]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

What are the records in athletic giving? We will see who has the last laugh on athletic giving by the family with alot of current or former coaches.

Did you marry a Hilleboe? Certainly you aren't anonymous either. So it looks like it'll be 2.5

 

[PlayerRep]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

What are the records in athletic giving? We will see who has the last laugh on athletic giving by the family with alot of current or former coaches.

Did you marry a Hilleboe? Certainly you aren't anonymous either. So it looks like it'll be 2.5

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[PlayerRep]

Fall enrollment figures released today. How do you think UM's continuing declining enrollment impacts the athletic budget? Fewer students equals less tuition, except to the extent that out-of-state students make up some of the shortfall. Fewer students means less support from the State, which is done on a per capita basis.

MSU's enrollment continues to increases, although only 1% this fall. 8 record enrollments in the past 9 years.

UM main campus and Missoula College enrollment down. New frosh up 6.4% on main campus.

Down 3.9% overall. Missoula College down 9%.

If there's less money in the school, and the same number of sports/athletes/contests, then this would seem to be put pressure on the athletic budget. I understand the academics is the primary mission of the school, but note that this is the athletic message board.

Not yet is the correct Answer: http://www.umt.edu/plan/documents/FY14_budget_book_final" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.umt.edu/plan/Budget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course facts have no meaning on eGriz but alumni (and other giving has broken all records by some 16.3 million (Not to mention a few records in athletic giving which of course will soon have the potentia to be elipsed by PR's 20 some relatives who coach or are otherwise currently involved in the game)

http://www.umt.edu/featured-tiles/categories/alumni.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I will repeat with the larget new class in history record money being raised, RE is looking pretty good. If he could play the OL and give JJ just a bit more time to execute he could be fabulous.

What are the records in athletic giving? We will see who has the last laugh on athletic giving by the family with alot of current or former coaches.

Did you marry a Hilleboe? Certainly you aren't anonymous either. So it looks like it'll be 2.5

Hilleboe is/was 69 when the $1.5 million bequest in his will was announced last spring. I think the actuarial tables probably show that an anglo person will live to about 85 in the US. What's the pressent value of $1.5 million in 16 years? Is it about 40% of $1.5 million? Any accountants out there?

 

[griz4life]

It was very, very sweet of the Missoulian to begin their enrollment story with the 6.4 percent increase stat, while burying the actual increase in students -- 96-- until almost the end of their article.

Can you imagine how bizarre Vice President Peggy Kuhr's "It's the best in three years and we feel good about that" remark would have seemed if the Missoulian had simply said enrollment was down by more than 500, but there were 96 more freshman on campus than there were a year ago.

Who writes these stories, Bill Speltz?

 

[griz4life]

You have to go back to 2001 to find Full time equivalency numbers as small as the ones for 2014. The difference.
The number of new freshman on the main campus was over 3,600 in 2001. This year it's 2,002 for the main campus and community college combined. Looks like the slump will continue through the first year of Engstrom's new contract, if not the second and third.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I think the present University President has alienated a lot of people and is killing the Golden Goose of UM Football. Whether intentional or not, I don't presume to know but UM is cutting their budget, facing a shrinking enrollment while the economy is generally pretty good. His handling of issues that should never have been exaggerated to the extent they were will not be forgotten by many grads.

The sad fact is that a liberal arts degree is largely a waste of money these days. UM needs to redefine itself as primarily a business school, since Bozo has locked up the technology/engineering/science/accounting categories in Montana. Montana Tech also serves a valuable role, too, especially with the Bakken Boom. Too bad most of the voters in Missoula are anti-Bakken, and it has infected the campus as well.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I have mentioned this to Royce (the declining enrollment) and told him the attempt to sell students to come to the U would be a dismal failure. He asked me what I would do to increase the enrollment and I mentioned having a damn good football team would do more for the U than having a driving sales pitch.

Come to UM. You'll be able to watch second-rate football in a second-rate division, and then spend years working at Ross to pay off your theater degree. Or, you'll be working alongside a former Griz player, which is even better.

That's a great sales pitch.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think the present University President has alienated a lot of people and is killing the Golden Goose of UM Football. Whether intentional or not, I don't presume to know but UM is cutting their budget, facing a shrinking enrollment while the economy is generally pretty good. His handling of issues that should never have been exaggerated to the extent they were will not be forgotten by many grads.

The sad fact is that a liberal arts degree is largely a waste of money these days. UM needs to redefine itself as primarily a business school, since Bozo has locked up the technology/engineering/science/accounting categories in Montana. Montana Tech also serves a valuable role, too, especially with the Bakken Boom. Too bad most of the voters in Missoula are anti-Bakken, and it has infected the campus as well.

UM produces alot of good accounting graduates and places them well. UM has some good bioscience programs too.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

UM produces alot of good accounting graduates and places them well. UM has some good bioscience programs too.

I know UM does produce these graduates, but it's mostly known as the Liberal Arts football school that had rape issues, whether it's fair or not. UM needs to start actively recruiting the high school students who want a specific skill entering the job market, or at the very least, encouraging their BA graduates to also think about grad school. A BA degree is basically a HS diploma at this point for jobs that pay in the private sector. Producing teachers and theater majors is certainly honorable, but there are only so many positions available for these undergraduates with their degrees. As the private sector continues to shrink, the value of a BA diminishes much more rapidly than the value of even a BS. Not that a BS means much either these days, unless you are at the top of your class, or you know somebody already entrenched in the private world.

 

[tnt]

UM produces alot of good accounting graduates and places them well. UM has some good bioscience programs too.

I know UM does produce these graduates, but it's mostly known as the Liberal Arts football school that had rape issues, whether it's fair or not. UM needs to start actively recruiting the high school students who want a specific skill entering the job market, or at the very least, encouraging their BA graduates to also think about grad school. A BA degree is basically a HS diploma at this point for jobs that pay in the private sector. Producing teachers and theater majors is certainly honorable, but there are only so many positions available for these undergraduates with their degrees. As the private sector continues to shrink, the value of a BA diminishes much more rapidly than the value of even a BS. Not that a BS means much either these days, unless you are at the top of your class, or you know somebody already entrenched in the private world.

Its also the only Montana School in the USNWR top 200. But you are dead on in your assesment. Grad school enrollement is down, and that is concerning, all most as concerning as the lack of retention at MSU. We are spending a lot of good money for nothing. Its time to start limiting enrollment at both schools.

I hesitate to point out if the administration really needed/wanted to build the rest of the University based off athletics their best bet would be to gut FB and pour the money into BB and being a competitor at the NCAA tournament there.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Its also the only Montana School in the USNWR top 200. But you are dead on in your assesment. Grad school enrollement is down, and that is concerning, all most as concerning as the lack of retention at MSU. We are spending a lot of good money for nothing. Its time to start limiting enrollment at both schools.

Top 200 doesn't mean anything if you have a generic BA degree. Top 100, maybe an HR lackey sorting through resumes cares enough to get you into at least a phone interview. A big part of the US News rankings are class size and student/teacher ratio. UM is being rewarded for having less students, and there is no job placement metric in the US News rankings.