Does UM's declining enrollment impact athletic budget?

[BadlandsGrizFan]

UM is paying the price for its curriculum now...and is it really a surprise? We have the biggest oil boom/petroleum deposit discovery in North America in the past 50 years going on next door....who offers engineering??? MSU and MT TECH....who hates fossil fuels...MISSOULA and the UofM...who has a dipshit president UM.....who wants to disconnect itself as much as possible with the Bakken??? UofM......when you completely turn your back from an economic powerhouse creating 40,000 jobs a year in your region...um ya that's going to affect your university..also RE is a giant douche!

 

[billings_poke]

I think the present University President has alienated a lot of people and is killing the Golden Goose of UM Football. Whether intentional or not, I don't presume to know but UM is cutting their budget, facing a shrinking enrollment while the economy is generally pretty good. His handling of issues that should never have been exaggerated to the extent they were will not be forgotten by many grads.

The sad fact is that a liberal arts degree is largely a waste of money these days. UM needs to redefine itself as primarily a business school, since Bozo has locked up the technology/engineering/science/accounting categories in Montana. Montana Tech also serves a valuable role, too, especially with the Bakken Boom. Too bad most of the voters in Missoula are anti-Bakken, and it has infected the campus as well.

For what it is worth, most campuses and I expect at least half the population of the US is anti-Bakken. But, one thing I will say about the U of North Dakota, it has a medical school that is highly respected. I think Montana would be well served to begin looking into that possibility. The U of Montana offers (or did) great BA and BS degrees whose recipients move easily to and through graduate programs of the highest caliber. I can think of at least 8 U of M grads that breezed through Stanford, 2 at Princeton...and, like me, call my alma mater UM....sad to see that being downgraded, if it actually is. As for Montana Tech...show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

Like the legislature in Montana would ever cough up the millions to get that started given the current conservative nature of that group. It would have to be like Oregon and a joint venture between MSU and UM like Oregon's is a stand alone medical school that all state universities feed into to.

 

[Walkon79]

How about acting like you WANT new students? My daughter's campus tour last fall was poorly organized and pathetic in almost every way. Beautiful campus though, I'll have to admit.

Have heard this time and time again. MSU, Carroll, Tech, all have very nice orientations and make students feel like they're genuinely wanted on campus. UM's.... Not so much

No student reps, tour guides, not a faculty advisor in sight, no dorm room visits.

One presentation in the auditorium by Engstrom and they just turned us loose to walk around on our own.

Almost like the real world.

Well that "real world" attitude is losing you students. My daughter wanted to be a Griz, unlike her brother. You have to recruit more than just the athletes.

 

[Skookum-Jim]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Have heard this time and time again. MSU, Carroll, Tech, all have very nice orientations and make students feel like they're genuinely wanted on campus. UM's.... Not so much

No student reps, tour guides, not a faculty advisor in sight, no dorm room visits.

One presentation in the auditorium by Engstrom and they just turned us loose to walk around on our own.

Almost like the real world.

Well that "real world" attitude is losing you students. My daughter wanted to be a Griz, unlike her brother. You have to recruit more than just the athletes.

Rad. Thanks.

 

[GrizLA]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

 

[Skookum-Jim]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

Isn't that like saying "you never hear anything about Montana and their architecture school." On the other hand show me an aerospace company with engineers and you will almost certainly find an MSU grad working there.

 

[GrizLA]

In your mind..my point is the Montana land grant school is no more well known or respected than South East Louisiana State....UM has earned its great reputation.
The problem is the rest of the nations' FLAGSHIP universities are moving forward in ways unheard of years ago. Right now, UM and Mt Tech are the two institutions that garner instant respect. Sorry, if my analogy doesn't quite fit....I do think UM needs a more progressive president but the state of Montana has shifted priorities.

 

[billings_poke]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

OH BS. My sons are engineers and run into MSU grads all the time and they work for Google and Micron. Micron recruits MSU pretty heavily actually.

You obviously pay zero attention to the Engineering rep MSU has and who recruits employees there

 

[NorthwestFresh]

Right now, UM and Mt Tech are the two institutions that garner instant respect

Respect from whom? Certainly not from high school seniors, considering UM's enrollment downward spiral. I already posted that Tech offers the specialized engineering skills needed for the drilling and mining industry. That's basically the purpose of the the school.

What are you talking about?

 

[Buttegrizzle]

New commercials would actually be beneficial too...I cant tell you how many times I've seen that anthropology teacher in her cowboy hat and boots commercial. What is that from 2005? Also has anyone seen a billboard for the UofM in any towns in Montana, besides the ONE (1) (UNO) they have in Missoula....I was in Bismarck this weekend and I saw, and Im not exaggerating, 4 different NDSU billboards for homecoming week and NDSU football....words cannot describe the displeasure I have towards that smug prick Engstrom!

They have two in Butte. One announcing the number Scholars of some kind and the other for athletics. But I noticed at hoop fest in Spokane this summer...the biggest 3-on-3 tourney on Earth, with over 7,000 teams, 3,000 volunteers, 225,000 fans and 450 courts spanning 42 city blocks...Gonzaga, EWU, WSU and...MSU had booths. But not...UM. Former Lady Griz kicked ass over there tho!

 

[Umista]

Cruzado is one hell of a president. She tells it like it is and as stated before she understands the importance of a good football program. She beats our guy 10 to 1.

Our Griz family just lost two kids to MSU. Mother and father both went to UM. Another student decided to stay in Calif. after committing to MSU.

Engstroms thoughts are getting sales people to sell UM, hired pros to go around the state and put some phony adds similar to car sales and real estate adds in the state. Won't work! Did you notice all the fat over age people at the UM seminar trying to sell UM? Horrid example of UM trying to attract new students. Have some young kids selling the school not some old out of touch slobs!

 

[GrizLA]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

OH BS. My sons are engineers and run into MSU grads all the time and they work for Google and Micron. Micron recruits MSU pretty heavily actually.

You obviously pay zero attention to the Engineering rep MSU has and who recruits employees there

You don't know just how wrong you are, there. But, like I said, don't care..

 

[Counter Assault]

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

OH BS. My sons are engineers and run into MSU grads all the time and they work for Google and Micron. Micron recruits MSU pretty heavily actually.

You obviously pay zero attention to the Engineering rep MSU has and who recruits employees there

You don't know just how wrong you are, there. But, like I said, don't care..

No one gives much thought GLA? Here are the number of MSU grads listed by Fortune 100 employers on LinkedIn (out of 34,000 grads on LinkedIN):

Boeing - 213
Microsoft - 91
Micron - 77
HP - 72
Intel - 56
3M - 53
British Petroleum - 43
IBM - 33
Halliburton - 33
Amazon - 28
Chevron - 20
Apple - 18
AT&T - 20

 

[Counter Assault]

Here is UM, leaving off the governments. The USFS is the largest employer at 209. Out of 28,000 grads on LinkedIN.

Microsoft 64
Direct TV 50
Boeing 56
Target 38
Oracle 35 (which I left off for MSU, which has 175 at RightNow)
Amazon 26
Starbucks 24
IBM 21
Intel 18
US Bank 18
Wal Mart 18

 

[Walkon79]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

Uh, Boeing might not agree. :lol:

 

[EverettGriz]

Here is UM, leaving off the governments. The USFS is the largest employer at 209. Out of 28,000 grads on LinkedIN.

Microsoft 64
Direct TV 50
Boeing 56
Target 38
Oracle 35 (which I left off for MSU, which has 175 at RightNow)
Amazon 26
Starbucks 24
IBM 21
Intel 18
US Bank 18
Wal Mart 18

What?

I work for a Fortune Fifty company and we have an informal UM Grad network with over 500 members.

Little selective in your search, were ya?

 

[Robsnotes4u]

show me any petroleum engineering school in the best North American colleges and you will find a Tech grad or know someone who is. Can't say that about MSU....

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

Uh, Boeing might not agree. :lol:

And UND will not agree either
http://engineering.und.edu/petroleum/

 

[GrizLA]

What dies this even mean? Since when does MSU have a petroleum engineering program?

Don't know, don't care and that is my point. No one gives much thought to the state land grant school, outside of Montana....

Uh, Boeing might not agree. :lol:

And UND will not agree either
http://engineering.und.edu/petroleum/

it speaks well of North Dakota that they have a medical school and an engineering curriculum. The State seems to have a vision for the future when the oil plays out. Investing in good schools now is the best thing a state can do for its future citizens. They seem to be able to do that. Why not Montana? This is the time to invest in schools and our own kids and not depend upon foreign students for income. Too many Western colleges, and in my local area high schools, are recruiting students from overseas to meet the bills....

 

[Counter Assault]

Here is UM, leaving off the governments. The USFS is the largest employer at 209. Out of 28,000 grads on LinkedIN.

Microsoft 64
Direct TV 50
Boeing 56
Target 38
Oracle 35 (which I left off for MSU, which has 175 at RightNow)
Amazon 26
Starbucks 24
IBM 21
Intel 18
US Bank 18
Wal Mart 18

What?

I work for a Fortune Fifty company and we have an informal UM Grad network with over 500 members.

Little selective in your search, were ya?

Currently employed UM grads? That is a lot for sure. Is it a bank out of curio? That would make sense.

No. Those were the exact results if you pull up LinkedIn UM Alumni and then spit out the list by people reporting these companies as their employer. I didn't select anything. I excluded government organizations (USFS, Air Force, State of Montana) and private companies like Billings Clinic.