Does The Stitt Offense Handicap UM Football? b

[grizfan406]

http://missoulian.com/sports/college/montana/stitt-takes-blame-for-disappointing-griz-football-season/article_5d8a80ec-4656-5b31-8a68-5fa2bd7831de.html

One of the things that has been brought up and definitely needs to be reassessed is Stitt being the "HEAD COACH" and not just the OC. When I went to the Norther Colorado game, what I saw was discouraging and disheartening. Stitt toward the end of the game was all by himself calling plays. Usually an OC has players near him to rotate or coach but there was no one around him. It was my impression that he had lost the locker room late in the season. A head coach has to coach everyone on the team, he has to engage with all of them and get the most out of them, inspire them, pump them up. I saw none of this. I saw coach on an island in no mans land.

My fear, as well. I hope he can return the Griz to the elan they had under previous coaches.

He didn't lose the entire locker room...there was a select group that checked out, a group that was not recruited by Stitt.

I hope you are right and it was only a few. That issue still needs to be addressed then and there. To check out is not what Griz football is all about. Whoever the coach is, they were recruited to play GRIZ football, shame on them for giving up.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

A great qb in this offense should be predictable. He should check into the ideal play to beat the called defense every time.

Not when the QB doesn't seem to realize the DC is bluffing him into the same check down call. And in this offense, more than one play is available to attack what the defense is giving. My recollection is each QB in season 1 had a good first game, where the DC hadn't seen the QB's reaction to defensive alignments. Game 2 the next DC had game film, no surprises, and the QB's struggled. Stitt's offense emphasizes many options, not a single "ideal" option. I seemed to notice what looked like Stitt's frequent frustration with BG's check downs after failed 3rd and 4th down conversion attempts.

This is true, I think BG was good at processing the data of what was on the field. However I also think he would always take the 3 yard buffer vs attacking going to the 1 on 1 coverage. This frustrated Stitt. The O is designed to give the QB options and BG always picked to be conservative. If you go back and watch games where he was aggressive, teams were often caught playing too far up and jumping routes. We scored a lot on those types of plays. BG however fell into that lull of not wanting to T.O the ball. Especially as we had a 3 and out or two. The fear of making a big mistake lead to non exportation on better options from the QB. Also hurts the run game, because the whole field shrank 3-5 yards, that means LBs are creating an earlier second level that is very hard to block and fight through as a RB. If you were near the sideline at all, you could hear stitt multiple times over the last two years talk to BG about how the easy option was not always the best option. I think stitt also had a hard time adjusting his O to BG who was making these reads. He altered plays to give BG multiple routes that were within 5-7 yards. You can watch games early in the season 2 years ago and then last year and it's the same play with same blocking with routes that were just simplistic instead of stretching the field. I had heard WRs were frustrated because of this at times and also were frustrated that when then were 1-1 they were not getting rewarded with a chance to beat the DB. BG also used JLM as a crutch and actually hurt BG delevloping streching the D. Anyways that's my 2 cents I'm sure y'all will tear it apart but that's the little info I know about the BG and Stitt conflict.

Good points but I want a qb who is predictable in making all of the right reads and decisions. That was the intended meaning of my prior post. Not disagreeing with your posts. Slightly different topics.

No arguement here, the QB should be predictable. Stitt wants the QB to see what he sees and make the same choice. I was just merley pointing out that on may plays in this offense the D can lull a QB into throwing a pass that's actually covered. See the EWU games or MSU or multiple others. We ran outs and drops. Basically RB on slot would read his man and either run and out or drop to the inside and sit. BG would read the sit all day. A very accurate and easy choice to get 3-4 yards. The D would cheat the outs and both the QB and WR reads correctly and sits inside. The D expects it and collapses and with safety's playing in and LBs playing up and out. Almost impossible for YAC. Because the D does this, the wide side WR should have single coverage or bump and drop zone. Either way it's not as high percentage of a pass but either you have single on your best WR or a 10-15 zone gap to hit for nice gains. This is actually the better pass option when the D is cheating. BG never liked dropping passes in the middle of a zone and overthrew on the deep pass often. So he almost always checked down for little gain or no completion. Played right into the D strategy. Not saying it's easy but Stitt lectured on this all the time. On 3rd and long or 1st down. Sometimes you have to stretch the D. This will push back the safety and either gives big cross gaps or will then allow you to drop down to the sit route and gain YAC. JLM got yards on the sit or 3 yard out that we should never have gotten and BG loved it....too much. That's not the #1 route option most the time. It may be easy but not the best choice. Anyways... I noticed in the scrimmages you see the QBs read this play and still go upfield and Stitt likes that. Notice One pressed those routes a little too much and Stitt also got on him for pushing the ball when the D was staying back. It's a hard read and on each play it's different spots and different angles. It's not an easy O to run but if the play is executed...plays have multiple good options depending on the D and the down.

 

[poorgriz]

Yes. The answer is yes. Stitt's offense puts way too much pressure on the QB position. Granted, if you happen to land that phenom QB (I'm talking NFL caliber QB) and he stays healthy all year, you could have an epic season. Unfortunately those QBs don't grow on trees. BG was your best QB option last year by far, and he actually got some hype for perhaps getting a shot at the next level but wasn't quite there.

 

[zirge]

This is true, I think BG was good at processing the data of what was on the field. However I also think he would always take the 3 yard buffer vs attacking going to the 1 on 1 coverage. This frustrated Stitt. The O is designed to give the QB options and BG always picked to be conservative. If you go back and watch games where he was aggressive, teams were often caught playing too far up and jumping routes. We scored a lot on those types of plays. BG however fell into that lull of not wanting to T.O the ball. Especially as we had a 3 and out or two. The fear of making a big mistake lead to non exportation on better options from the QB. Also hurts the run game, because the whole field shrank 3-5 yards, that means LBs are creating an earlier second level that is very hard to block and fight through as a RB. If you were near the sideline at all, you could hear stitt multiple times over the last two years talk to BG about how the easy option was not always the best option. I think stitt also had a hard time adjusting his O to BG who was making these reads. He altered plays to give BG multiple routes that were within 5-7 yards. You can watch games early in the season 2 years ago and then last year and it's the same play with same blocking with routes that were just simplistic instead of stretching the field. I had heard WRs were frustrated because of this at times and also were frustrated that when then were 1-1 they were not getting rewarded with a chance to beat the DB. BG also used JLM as a crutch and actually hurt BG delevloping streching the D. Anyways that's my 2 cents I'm sure y'all will tear it apart but that's the little info I know about the BG and Stitt conflict.

Good points but I want a qb who is predictable in making all of the right reads and decisions. That was the intended meaning of my prior post. Not disagreeing with your posts. Slightly different topics.

wow, 3 guys that may have played the game at this level, ok 4 if you count 75. making astute observations on the Gus/Stitts, WTF was going on dilemma, that we all have been hacking on for
2 years now. thanks fellas, good stuff to digest.

I think you're mistaken....75 invented the Olympics, I dont believe he has ever claimed to have played the game yet?

:lol: key phrase "may have played the game". this is not to discourage his contribution

 

[i_the_sky]

To simplify it. Stitt needs an offensive coordinator so he can oversee every aspect of the team.. There is confusion and sloppiness on offense, defense and special teams. His first priority should be to the team not just the offense! There is mediocrity to all three entities and it has to change, now!!!!! We should win the BSC outright, beat the Kats and win a minimum of (2) playoff games every year whether at home or on the road, no matter. Contract year means meet these minimums or pack your crap. Hauck and others are available and anxiously waiting. Not to mention Griz Nation.........

 

[Spanky]

Good points, Sky!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Not sure hiring an OC would simplify Stitt's offensive design. I won't argue that it may free him up to oversee the entire team.

 

[Spanky]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

 

[sdk.catfish]

by HelenaHandBasket » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 pm

Not sure hiring an OC would simplify Stitt's offensive design. I won't argue that it may free him up to oversee the entire team.

Do you think that overseeing the entire team, based on his success with the offense, would be a good thing?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

by HelenaHandBasket » Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:09 pm

Not sure hiring an OC would simplify Stitt's offensive design. I won't argue that it may free him up to oversee the entire team.

Do you think that overseeing the entire team, based on his success with the offense, would be a good thing?

No idea

 

[jodcon]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

 

[poorgriz]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

1000%. Not a chance in hell he abandons his offense or really alters it that much for that matter. It's what defines him.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

After Stitt was hired a looked at video of several CSM games to check out Stitt's offense. After seeing the highs and lows of execution the last two years in the Griz O versus CSM's execution, I've concluded that kids 4-5 years into his system at all positions execute better than the guys with only one or two years. I'm optimistic we will see better consistency and higher performance from the offense this year. Confidence that not only you but the guys next to you know what to do seems to be the key. A fifth year QB in this system at this level should be something to watch. I hope we get there.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

After Stitt was hired a looked at video of several CSM games to check out Stitt's offense. After seeing the highs and lows of execution the last two years in the Griz O versus CSM's execution, I've concluded that kids 4-5 years into his system at all positions execute better than the guys with only one or two years. I'm optimistic we will see better consistency and higher performance from the offense this year. Confidence that not only you but the guys next to you know what to do seems to be the key. A fifth year QB in this system at this level should be something to watch. I hope we get there.

So you're saying Jensen is going to win us a Natty??? I like it!

 

[fanofzoo]

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

After Stitt was hired a looked at video of several CSM games to check out Stitt's offense. After seeing the highs and lows of execution the last two years in the Griz O versus CSM's execution, I've concluded that kids 4-5 years into his system at all positions execute better than the guys with only one or two years. I'm optimistic we will see better consistency and higher performance from the offense this year. Confidence that not only you but the guys next to you know what to do seems to be the key. A fifth year QB in this system at this level should be something to watch. I hope we get there.

i just can't believe that it takes 4-5 years to learn the system and run it.

 

[Spanky]

If it takes 4-5 years, time to scrap the system. Maybe take a look at Special Teams and Defense as well.

 

[AZGrizFan]

It would if the OC installed a new offense.

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

Not only that, but he sure as shit isn't going to abandon something that's gotten him this far, especially in a year he's "on the hot seat" and try and implement a completely different scheme at the 11th hour...like or not, we're gonna be seeing a lot of what we saw (play wise) last year...

 

[zirge]

You really think that would happen? The guy pretty much has an ultimatum for the upcoming season, and it doesn't seem that has he considered changing up the offense.

No way, he will go down in flames before he abandons this philosophy, even if it costs him the castle.

Yep, and can you blame him? The guy even said outright...hes been waiting to test his system at the next level...it needs to work for him. Hes doing it at the most visible program in the FCS...first year it kinda worked...second year it kinda didnt. This year its either going to work or not.

He sure as shit isnt going to abandon it now because half of egriz thinks they know more about football than him.

Not only that, but he sure as shit isn't going to abandon something that's gotten him this far, especially in a year he's "on the hot seat" and try and implement a completely different scheme at the 11th hour...like or not, we're gonna be seeing a lot of what we saw (play wise) last year...

Yikes!......plus if it takes 4-5 years for the qb to learn and run the system with any efficientcy, according to one, you think the summer was a long wait and see, buckle up.