Does Stitt Have Supporters?

[bgbigdog]

Hmm

This? This after we've sullied your and Mrs. Ursa's names? Wow. Just wow...

Ps. Only the majestic Mrs. Ursa is a concern of mine. Nothing can be done with your name...

 

[Ursa Major]

Hmm

This? This after we've sullied your and Mrs. Ursa's names? Wow. Just wow...

Ps. Only the majestic Mrs. Ursa is a concern of mine. Nothing can be done with your name...

The name Sue Mudd was not my choice.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I'm definitely still in the Stitt camp. People who want him removed after two seasons are likely 1. stupid 2. don't know anything about football 3. like to piss and moan despite who the coach is (unless it's Bobby Hauck) 4. Will not be happy unless we are 11-0 with semi-final appearances or better every single season.

Here's the thing. Bob ain't going anywhere this offseason. You might as well get to your safe spaces, cry it out, and come back in August. That's reality, deal with it.

Replacing Bob right now would be the most moronically stupid thing the AD could do. You're going to be paying a buyout (at the cost to the U and the taxpayers). You're going to set the program development back at least two more years (which means more losses). And who are you going to get to come coach a program knowing that you can be fired after two years at an FCS school because you don't win a national championship in your first or second year. Coaches want job security for themselves and their assistants, so some fans on here and the Twitter that insist that the coaching staffs aren't trying, etc are more moronically stupid.

That said, I was having this conversation earlier with some -very- prominent eGriz posters.. when is the last time we had a -good- quarterback that was playing within the system he was suited for? The answer? Probably Jordy in 2011.. anyone else notice how the team has struggled a bit since then? I wonder if there's a correlation there.. you know, changing coaches, changing philosophies, player development, etc. That's what happens when you've had four coaches since 2009.

How about we see how this one shakes out before we start firing coaches and actually let a coach get his players and staff in here and see if we can start winning consistently. We're on year two of this offense with quite a few players recruited for a different philosophy, and year one of a defense that also changed how it went about business.

I'll close with this.. Craig Bohl was 4-8 his first year at Wyoming, the fan base saw progress. Craig Bohl was 2-10 his second year at Wyoming and the pinheads of the fanbase (like quite a few on this message board) thought we should fire Bohl, fire Vigen, fire the AD, clean house, etc. Wyoming in year three is one win from hosting the Mountain West title game, two wins away from being Mountain West champions.

Come at me.

:thumb:

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

 

[George Ferguson]

I'm definitely still in the Stitt camp. People who want him removed after two seasons are likely 1. stupid 2. don't know anything about football 3. like to piss and moan despite who the coach is (unless it's Bobby Hauck) 4. Will not be happy unless we are 11-0 with semi-final appearances or better every single season.

Here's the thing. Bob ain't going anywhere this offseason. You might as well get to your safe spaces, cry it out, and come back in August. That's reality, deal with it.

Replacing Bob right now would be the most moronically stupid thing the AD could do. You're going to be paying a buyout (at the cost to the U and the taxpayers). You're going to set the program development back at least two more years (which means more losses). And who are you going to get to come coach a program knowing that you can be fired after two years at an FCS school because you don't win a national championship in your first or second year. Coaches want job security for themselves and their assistants, so some fans on here and the Twitter that insist that the coaching staffs aren't trying, etc are more moronically stupid.

That said, I was having this conversation earlier with some -very- prominent eGriz posters.. when is the last time we had a -good- quarterback that was playing within the system he was suited for? The answer? Probably Jordy in 2011.. anyone else notice how the team has struggled a bit since then? I wonder if there's a correlation there.. you know, changing coaches, changing philosophies, player development, etc. That's what happens when you've had four coaches since 2009.

How about we see how this one shakes out before we start firing coaches and actually let a coach get his players and staff in here and see if we can start winning consistently. We're on year two of this offense with quite a few players recruited for a different philosophy, and year one of a defense that also changed how it went about business.

I'll close with this.. Craig Bohl was 4-8 his first year at Wyoming, the fan base saw progress. Craig Bohl was 2-10 his second year at Wyoming and the pinheads of the fanbase (like quite a few on this message board) thought we should fire Bohl, fire Vigen, fire the AD, clean house, etc. Wyoming in year three is one win from hosting the Mountain West title game, two wins away from being Mountain West champions.

Come at me.

:thumb:

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

 

[NorthwestFresh]

I'm definitely still in the Stitt camp. People who want him removed after two seasons are likely 1. stupid 2. don't know anything about football 3. like to piss and moan despite who the coach is (unless it's Bobby Hauck) 4. Will not be happy unless we are 11-0 with semi-final appearances or better every single season.

Here's the thing. Bob ain't going anywhere this offseason. You might as well get to your safe spaces, cry it out, and come back in August. That's reality, deal with it.

Replacing Bob right now would be the most moronically stupid thing the AD could do. You're going to be paying a buyout (at the cost to the U and the taxpayers). You're going to set the program development back at least two more years (which means more losses). And who are you going to get to come coach a program knowing that you can be fired after two years at an FCS school because you don't win a national championship in your first or second year. Coaches want job security for themselves and their assistants, so some fans on here and the Twitter that insist that the coaching staffs aren't trying, etc are more moronically stupid.

That said, I was having this conversation earlier with some -very- prominent eGriz posters.. when is the last time we had a -good- quarterback that was playing within the system he was suited for? The answer? Probably Jordy in 2011.. anyone else notice how the team has struggled a bit since then? I wonder if there's a correlation there.. you know, changing coaches, changing philosophies, player development, etc. That's what happens when you've had four coaches since 2009.

How about we see how this one shakes out before we start firing coaches and actually let a coach get his players and staff in here and see if we can start winning consistently. We're on year two of this offense with quite a few players recruited for a different philosophy, and year one of a defense that also changed how it went about business.

I'll close with this.. Craig Bohl was 4-8 his first year at Wyoming, the fan base saw progress. Craig Bohl was 2-10 his second year at Wyoming and the pinheads of the fanbase (like quite a few on this message board) thought we should fire Bohl, fire Vigen, fire the AD, clean house, etc. Wyoming in year three is one win from hosting the Mountain West title game, two wins away from being Mountain West champions.

Come at me.

:thumb:

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

 

[George Ferguson]

:thumb:

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

I can tell you what just about EVERY single FCS team you asked about didn't have when Stitt took over. Two years of a three-year, self-imposed NCAA probation that included the loss of 12 FULL scholarships and two graduate assistants. Not to mention, every rival coach of the Griz telling recruits about the Jon Krakauer book and about a billion other reasons why they shouldn't go to Montana. They also don't have Royce Engstrom.

 

[kemajic]

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

I can tell you what just about EVERY single FCS team you asked about didn't have when Stitt took over. Two years of a three-year, self-imposed NCAA probation that included the loss of 12 FULL scholarships and two graduate assistants. Not to mention, every rival coach of the Griz telling recruits about the Jon Krakauer book and about a billion other reasons why they shouldn't go to Montana. They also don't have Royce Engstrom.

None of that had anything to do with the total regression and disarray this team showed as the season progressed. Any observer could see this team was not well coached. Late in the season opponent coordinators did not have a difficult time developing successful game plans against both the offense and defense. Yeah, it was probably Engstrom at the root of the lousy play calling, defense confusion and stupid penalties.

 

[MrTitleist]

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

Hey look, more vague hearsay!

Those things listed above? Don't win football games. Players do, the cabinet was not exactly stocked after Mick's departure.

 

[UMGriz75]

Hey look, more vague hearsay!

The half season collapse, the loss to the Cats? Hearsay?

 

[UMGriz75]

I can tell you what just about EVERY single FCS team you asked about didn't have when Stitt took over. Two years of a three-year, self-imposed NCAA probation that included the loss of 12 FULL scholarships and two graduate assistants. Not to mention, every rival coach of the Griz telling recruits about the Jon Krakauer book and about a billion other reasons why they shouldn't go to Montana. They also don't have Royce Engstrom.

Now, add to your list of excuses the fact that every rival coach now gets to also add in a mid-season collapse, a team with "no fire" (according to the coach in his public flailings), bizarrely repetitious plays, "chaos" on the defense, a 0.325 Conference Record with an NFL caliber QB, and a loss to what you brazenly and publicly called the "worst team in the conference" playing freshmen and sophmores, and a Quarterback who doesn't even need to shave yet and a first-year coach with NAIA assistants, not even close to the mighty coaching horsepower of our DII staff.

Under your theory, all we need for further successful recruiting is a meth scandal and a murder in a cornfield to complete our recruiting pamphlet. I look forward to very successful recruiting this year, thanks to our Coach!

 

[The.Real.2506]

Stitt will get an extension, off field issues are almost non existent, APR & grad rates look to be doing good, the only news the football team makes is for how they play on Saturday, that is what your Admin wants.

 

[poorgriz]

:thumb:

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

When have you had a record that good under Stitt? That would be a step up. Pretty sure you've lost 5 games both years under Stitt.

 

[PlayerRep]

My two cents, based on some but not enough good information.

Some of the things the Hav (maybe Brint too), 75 and NW are saying are not necessarily inconsistent with each other, in my view, due to the extent of the particular issues. Even taking the 3 things 75 said in one of his posts as largely or somewhat true, doesn't mean that most players or people feel that way. Those 3 things, if confined and not universal, have probably been true with other successful Griz coaches. Some of NW's assertions are too far beyond the reality of the situation, is my impression.

I know Stitt has some critics, among recent former players and other supporters. So, I don't think these negative things are completely untrue, or have no basis in reality, or that this list is even complete. However, I doubt that anyone posting, including me, has enough data to know the degree or extent of the these things.

My impression is that these things, even if true and bigger than I suspect, are not what caused the Griz losses in the last 2 games, or the weak last half of the season. I don't know what caused the on-field decline and problems, but I have talked, directly or indirectly, to some players/parents, and not one of them has blamed the poor finish or those things or even on the Stitt or the coaches. They have indicated it was more lack of execution and mistakes, some of which came from youth and inexperience (which they then said was no excuse). And, not wanting to be left out, I too sat next to a current player on a plane returning from Thanksgiving break.

I don't know if Stitt is the answer and will be successful, but my impression is still that he can be successful. I have always said the jury is out. While this topic and this discussion are interesting, I am not inclined to get to worked up about it, because I can't imagine Stitt is not going to get pushed out now. He is going to be the coach next year, and he and the other coaches have my full support. Haslam is obviously closer to the situation, and it is his job to make the right assessment and decision. My guess is that Haslam's data and information are considerably different than what we are seeing on egriz, altho he may well have heard or seen some of these things too. This is not to say that 75 and others aren't correct in their assessment. The 2 late seasons losses shook my confidence in that situation, and to me are almost inexplicable.

 

[George Ferguson]

Wyoming was a dumpster fire. Bohl took over a Ford Pinto and has made it a Honda Accord.

Stitt took over a luxury vehicle and has it idling in the parking lot. Plus Bohl won more than one playoff game in his career before getting a higher-paying job.

Just because the Griz beat the s--t out of the Cats a couple of years in a row before Stitt got here, which he did the next year too, doesn't mean they were a luxury vehicle. The vehicle Stitt took over missed the playoffs twice in four years, and had some pretty big dents and a broken bumper. I thought MSU fans were used to recognizing vehicles like that.

Really? What FCS job east of the Mississippi and north of Texas comes close to what UM has in terms of facilities, and fanbase, and community involvement? If UM isn't an FCS luxury vehicle for the west, please tell me who is? EWU and their joke academics and gimmick field? Bozeman and their little brother act?

Everybody knew Mick was a place-holder, yet his teams played with more discipline and heart than anything I've seen from a Bob Stitt team. Thrown in he's not well-liked in the Adams' Center athletic offices and he's a shameless self-promoter, and I just don't see it working for him in Missoula. He'll have next year, of course, but 7-4 isn't going to cut it for much longer with the money boosters are pouring into the program in recent years. Add in that a not-so-small faction of those major boosters can't stand the guy, even after last season, and it's frankly a bit of a mess at this point.

When have you had a record that good under Stitt? That would be a step up. Pretty sure you've lost 5 games both years under Stitt.

THE GRIZ, went 7-4 in the regular season last year, 6-2 in the Big Sky and finished second. They also beat South Dakota State in the first round of the playoffs to get to 8 wins, before losing to NDSU in the second rounb to get to five losses. So THEY indeed did have that record under Stitt last season. The YOU you're referring to, I don't know who that is, or if they've ever gone 7-4 under Stitt.

 

[mtgrizrule]

For the sake of GRIZ football, Coach Stitt's future, and pure entertainment on EGRIZ, I hope and pray the 2017 GRIZ are true title contenders. It really is much too soon to honestly evaluate Coach Stitt and the football program. Honestly, we do not have the resources to be impatient and having "revolving" door philosophy. To me, it takes no less than 3 seasons to fairly evaluate a head coach.

 

[UMGriz75]

It really is much too soon to honestly evaluate Coach Stitt and the football program. ... To me, it takes no less than 3 seasons to fairly evaluate a head coach.

Larry Donovan
3-7
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When is a good time to "evaluate" according that thar theory? At what point do you base "assessment" on actual performance, and not simply reward failure? Are there any standards for second year performance under that theory? How long does a coach get to actively damage recruiting for a program?

 

[yogi]

This scenario has Larry Donovan written all over it; and that, my friends, is not something to look forward to, your friend, yogi

 

[Fushiznitz]

I imagine he does. However, would he wear them in games, or only practice? Or the other way around?

 

[sdk.catfish]

Assuming this works, because I haven't tried embedding images before, I would suggest that the current Stitt supporters also believe in this green hatted fantasy:

 

[sdk.catfish]

OK, clearly I don't understand how to embed images. You can try this link

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