Does Stitt Have Supporters?

[Sam A. Blitz]

My two cents, based on some but not enough good information.

Some of the things the Hav (maybe Brint too), 75 and NW are saying are not necessarily inconsistent with each other, in my view, due to the extent of the particular issues. Even taking the 3 things 75 said in one of his posts as largely or somewhat true, doesn't mean that most players or people feel that way. Those 3 things, if confined and not universal, have probably been true with other successful Griz coaches. Some of NW's assertions are too far beyond the reality of the situation, is my impression.

I know Stitt has some critics, among recent former players and other supporters. So, I don't think these negative things are completely untrue, or have no basis in reality, or that this list is even complete. However, I doubt that anyone posting, including me, has enough data to know the degree or extent of the these things.

My impression is that these things, even if true and bigger than I suspect, are not what caused the Griz losses in the last 2 games, or the weak last half of the season. I don't know what caused the on-field decline and problems, but I have talked, directly or indirectly, to some players/parents, and not one of them has blamed the poor finish or those things or even on the Stitt or the coaches. They have indicated it was more lack of execution and mistakes, some of which came from youth and inexperience (which they then said was no excuse). And, not wanting to be left out, I too sat next to a current player on a plane returning from Thanksgiving break.

I don't know if Stitt is the answer and will be successful, but my impression is still that he can be successful. I have always said the jury is out. While this topic and this discussion are interesting, I am not inclined to get to worked up about it, because I can't imagine Stitt is not going to get pushed out now. He is going to be the coach next year, and he and the other coaches have my full support. Haslam is obviously closer to the situation, and it is his job to make the right assessment and decision. My guess is that Haslam's data and information are considerably different than what we are seeing on egriz, altho he may well have heard or seen some of these things too. This is not to say that 75 and others aren't correct in their assessment. The 2 late seasons losses shook my confidence in that situation, and to me are almost inexplicable.

Very good post, PR.

The only thing I'll add, is that we need to be aware that although they do not post on here, recruits and parents do read this board. Throwing out accusations as fact based on gossip, hearsay, and what your bias opinion leads you to believe is not what this team needs during a time that coaches are working there butts off trying to put together a recruiting class. I respect the opinion of people who have negative views towards the coaching staff. It comes with the territory in not meeting the high expectations the fans have for this program, but I hope that people don't slander the program's reputation and hinder what the players and coaches are trying to build.

 

[UMGriz75]

I respect the opinion of people who have negative views towards the coaching staff. It comes with the territory in not meeting the high expectations the fans have for this program, but I hope that people don't slander the program's reputation and hinder what the players and coaches are trying to build.

It would be difficult to do to this program's reputation what the coaches themselves have done. That's the problem. What can anyone say that is factually worse than that?

 

[signedbewildered]

I respect the opinion of people who have negative views towards the coaching staff. It comes with the territory in not meeting the high expectations the fans have for this program, but I hope that people don't slander the program's reputation and hinder what the players and coaches are trying to build.

It would be difficult to do to this program's reputation what the coaches themselves have done. That's the problem. What can anyone say that is factually worse than that?

You do realize you're simply embarrassing yourself don't you? Your opinion is simply.....well, your opinion. No one elected you to speak for all of the players or fans. Quit implying you know something the rest of us don't.

Your sampling is too small to draw a reasonable conclusion from. This, I know.

 

[Sam A. Blitz]

I respect the opinion of people who have negative views towards the coaching staff. It comes with the territory in not meeting the high expectations the fans have for this program, but I hope that people don't slander the program's reputation and hinder what the players and coaches are trying to build.

It would be difficult to do to this program's reputation what the coaches themselves have done. That's the problem. What can anyone say that is factually worse than that?

I think the players, regardless of their views on the coaching staff, want to be successful. Recruits also want to play somewhere where they can be developed and reach their playing potential. Like it or not, the coaching staff will be here for at least another year. My experience is an over-dose of negativity from supporters does absolutely nothing, but become toxic to the program. The players deserve us to rally behind them and to believe in them that they can be successful next year. We have a lot of talent on this team. I am hopeful that the disappointment at the end of the season leads to some constructive retooling and preparation of learning from the failures and building something that is better. It will be a true test for the coaches and players. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can accomplish that.

 

[UMGriz75]

It would be difficult to do to this program's reputation what the coaches themselves have done. That's the problem. What can anyone say that is factually worse than that?

You do realize you're simply embarrassing yourself don't you? Your opinion is simply.....well, your opinion. No one elected you to speak for all of the players or fans. Quit implying you know something the rest of us don't.

Your sampling is too small to draw a reasonable conclusion from. This, I know.

You do realize I am referring to the "program's reputation" as necessarily being based on its public performance -- the lackluster public play of the team, the public condemnation by the coach of the team's "lack of fire" and playing "flat?" The four out of five losses? The game play announcer commentary on odd strategies, "I guess he won't be putting Chalich in," "don't you have to be ahead to want to control the ball and run the clock?" and "chaos?" The humliating loss on our home turf to the "worst team in the conference?" The 0.325 conference record? The very public evisceration by a PAC12 coach of a DII coach's defensive postures?

I don't speak for that and neither do you.

It speaks, publicly and loudly, for itself. No one elected you to pretend it isn't there, that the honest public sees it clearly, and so will potential recruits no matter what spin you try to put on it.

 

[UMGriz75]

We have a lot of talent on this team. I am hopeful that the disappointment at the end of the season leads to some constructive retooling and preparation of learning from the failures and building something that is better. It will be a true test for the coaches and players. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they can accomplish that.

I want these kids to be on a successful team and part of a successful program. Stitt had the benefit of the doubt this year. He created the doubt. He should not get the benefit of it. Doubling down on the worst failure in program history is not a recipe for success. It never is. That only hurts the players.

 

[argh!]

Doubling down on the worst failure in program history is not a recipe for success. It never is. That only hurts the players.

hey squirrel, are you gonna keep up the histrionics all off-season? i hope so.

 

[poorgriz]

It would be difficult to do to this program's reputation what the coaches themselves have done. That's the problem. What can anyone say that is factually worse than that?

You do realize you're simply embarrassing yourself don't you? Your opinion is simply.....well, your opinion. No one elected you to speak for all of the players or fans. Quit implying you know something the rest of us don't.

Your sampling is too small to draw a reasonable conclusion from. This, I know.

You do realize I am referring to the "program's reputation" as necessarily being based on its public performance -- the lackluster public play of the team, the public condemnation by the coach of the team's "lack of fire" and playing "flat?" The four out of five losses? The game play announcer commentary on odd strategies, "I guess he won't be putting Chalich in," "don't you have to be ahead to want to control the ball and run the clock?" and "chaos?" The humliating loss on our home turf to the "worst team in the conference?" The 0.325 conference record? The very public evisceration by a PAC12 coach of a DII coach's defensive postures?

I don't speak for that and neither do you.

It speaks, publicly and loudly, for itself. No one elected you to pretend it isn't there, that the honest public sees it clearly, and so will potential recruits no matter what spin you try to put on it.

Evisceration, mea culpa, sycophant, neophyte, etc..... I love it when people use weird words and phrases to come off smarter than they really are. Also, the MSU Fighting Bobcats were not the worst team in the big Sky this year - but go ahead and keep repeating that if it strengthens your case. :thumb:

 

[UMGriz75]

Also, the MSU Fighting Bobcats were not the worst team in the big Sky this year - but go ahead and keep repeating that if it strengthens your case. :thumb:

Wasn't my call. I use the phrase to mock one of Montana's "sports reporters," who now posts under his real name (to his credit), George Ferguson, and another of his remarkable insights, in many ways reflecting the (hopefully) temporary insanity of egriz when, faced with a disaster of a season, pretend that the players think the coach is just great, next season (as they predicted with this season) will be just great, and that Seniors this year were not cheated out of what should have been yet another triumph over the Cats at home. All because the coach now claims he didn't realize his strategies weren't working until the season was over -- prior to that he was pretty sure it was the team's fault -- and that he will take the opportunity of the off-season to think about it.

Last time I checked, the Cats are pretty bigtime losers this season. I don't give Choate crap at all. He's clearly a good football coach. But trying to equate ANYTHING the Bobcats are doing this season to the Griz being losers is absolutely f-----in moronic. The Cats are by FAR the worst team in the Big Sky. Stats might be for losers, but this thread is a f----n loser.

We'll see. Today's Griz will not beat the cats.

I'll bet paycheck to paycheck on that one.

 

[argh!]

Also, the MSU Fighting Bobcats were not the worst team in the big Sky this year - but go ahead and keep repeating that if it strengthens your case. :thumb:

Wasn't my call. I use the phrase to mock one of Montana's "sports reporters," who now posts under his real name (to his credit), George Ferguson, and another of his remarkable insights, in many ways reflecting the (hopefully) temporary insanity of egriz when, faced with a disaster of a season, pretend that the players think the coach is just great, next season (as they predicted with this season) will be just great, and that Seniors this year were not cheated out of what should have been yet another triumph over the Cats at home. All because the coach now claims he didn't realize his strategies weren't working until the season was over -- prior to that he was pretty sure it was the team's fault -- and that he will take the opportunity of the off-season to think about it.

so now the seniors were "cheated out of what should have been another triumph" over the bobs at home, and "egriz" is pretending that didn't happen? that can't be right - a squirrel told me the team half-assed it during the game out of spite for stitt, and that is why they lost, not the scheme. you are at war, tree rodent - pick a side and stick to it! and what's this chatter about "egriz" pretending that next season will be "just great"? i guess i missed that acorn when scanning all the decidedly anti-stitt posts the last week+.

 

[The_Real_Chief]

Bob i'm dedicating this one to you!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM[/youtube]

 

[UMGriz75]

... and what's this chatter about "egriz" pretending that next season will be "just great"? i guess i missed that acorn when scanning all the decidedly anti-stitt posts the last week+.

That was last week, wasn't it? Now, his "supporters" have come forth, and have interviewed "players" at a Thanksgiving dinner who assured all that it was just an illusion. And that trumps everything! Everyone loves Stitt, and next year will be even better, uh, er, a lot better, uh, er, National Championship!

After all, Stitt "earned" another year, right? Because "failure" is "earning?" "Losing" is "deserving?"

If you don't actually believe that next season will be "just great" then what's the point? If you're not here to win, WTF do you want? Institutionalize failure? UM's done a good job of that so far. Some of us are sick of it. Grow some balls. Change direction when employees fail at their jobs. If you can't do what you were hired to do, move on. Stitt wasn't hired to take UM to the bottom of the BSC.

This forum has practically invented the fabrication that coaches need "three years" to prove themselves. The fact is, most don't prove it after three years, five or seven. They rarely do it moving up from high school or DII, but do more often moving down from FBS. Cherry picking doesn't prove otherwise. It is self-delusion at an institution that has turned the phenomenon into a self-righteous principle.

The players deserve the best opportunities the University of Montana can provide to achieve their successes and their dreams. Continuing on with this staff offers which of the most plausible outcomes: 1) turnaround and DII skillsets suddenly become outstanding and successful DI skillsets and UM is again a top-flight program, or 2) more of the same of what is obviously the installed skillset level of the senior coaching staff and a disaster for the program perpetuated in the public mind and those of high school coaches and recruits as a destination of abject failure doomed to the bottom of the BSC ranks?

Either outcome "could" happen. You can't say that one will, and I can't say that one won't.

Based on what actually happened this year, which is most likely to happen?

As they ask in the business school, based on the record, which outcome would you invest your own money in? If it were your son, where would you send him to play?

 

[zengriz]

I imagine he does. However, would he wear them in games, or only practice? Or the other way around?

...just thought it should lightened up alittle...
...the chicken wears his jock on his head...
...because his peckers on his face...

... ...

 

[brewskis]

Sounds like he's got quite a few supporters on the roster.....and here I thought the sky was falling


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