Does Stitt Have Supporters?

[BWahlberg]

I would really like to see you break that down on the schedule.

Sure. So, again going off the assumption that we get it locked in at QB here;

Valpo - Win, at home, should be an easy opener

UW - loss

EWU - toss up, their defense isn't great, and they're going to be replacing all those WRs, game is at home

PSU - win, poor defense, losing their stud QB, bad season this year

ISU - win, improving but not a great team,

UND - toss up, its in Wa Griz, I'm wondering if UND this year is like last years SUU

Weber - toss up, honestly I've not really looked into their team since we haven't played them in a few years. But in their house and with the defense they've built up, I'd lean to a loss here if it were this year, but just not sure on what Weebz will look like next year.

NAU - win, later season game in Wa Griz usually doesn't go well for NAU. This one could be a hell of a game if Cookus is back and healthy.

UNC - win, again in our house and hopefully with far fewer execution errors this time around

MSU - win, they're not a great team yet and will still be young and lose some of their best talent on offense (Brekke and Newell).

Presumed D2 plug in team - win.

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So UW is the obvious loss, Weber, EWU, UND the toss ups. That's a swing from 7-4 to 10-1 depending on how they handle the three conference games. And two of the three are at home.

Again that's making a massive assumption at QB.

Brint, fair enough, but I think you are far to optimistic.

Think about the difference between 7-4 and 10-1 as far as Stitt's future is concerned. Interesting.

Indeed but anywhere between 7-4 and 10-1 probably guarantees him more time here (I'd venture to guess)

 

[Yukon]

I'm definitely still in the Stitt camp. People who want him removed after two seasons are likely 1. stupid 2. don't know anything about football 3. like to piss and moan despite who the coach is (unless it's Bobby Hauck) 4. Will not be happy unless we are 11-0 with semi-final appearances or better every single season.

Here's the thing. Bob ain't going anywhere this offseason. You might as well get to your safe spaces, cry it out, and come back in August. That's reality, deal with it.

Replacing Bob right now would be the most moronically stupid thing the AD could do. You're going to be paying a buyout (at the cost to the U and the taxpayers). You're going to set the program development back at least two more years (which means more losses). And who are you going to get to come coach a program knowing that you can be fired after two years at an FCS school because you don't win a national championship in your first or second year. Coaches want job security for themselves and their assistants, so some fans on here and the Twitter that insist that the coaching staffs aren't trying, etc are more moronically stupid.

That said, I was having this conversation earlier with some -very- prominent eGriz posters.. when is the last time we had a -good- quarterback that was playing within the system he was suited for? The answer? Probably Jordy in 2011.. anyone else notice how the team has struggled a bit since then? I wonder if there's a correlation there.. you know, changing coaches, changing philosophies, player development, etc. That's what happens when you've had four coaches since 2009.

How about we see how this one shakes out before we start firing coaches and actually let a coach get his players and staff in here and see if we can start winning consistently. We're on year two of this offense with quite a few players recruited for a different philosophy, and year one of a defense that also changed how it went about business.

I'll close with this.. Craig Bohl was 4-8 his first year at Wyoming, the fan base saw progress. Craig Bohl was 2-10 his second year at Wyoming and the pinheads of the fanbase (like quite a few on this message board) thought we should fire Bohl, fire Vigen, fire the AD, clean house, etc. Wyoming in year three is one win from hosting the Mountain West title game, two wins away from being Mountain West champions.

Come at me.

:thumb:

 

[reinell30]

Well I for one am tired of starting over. I want Stitt to get his S$%T together next year so we don't start again with the same old drivel. I at this point am not sure Stitt is the man, but he is what we all bought, now sign the receipt at the bottom, pull up your pants and get on for what we hope won't be the final ride!

 

[acehunter65]

Amazing the reactions to this coach and his abilities, coming to the Griz as a great offensive mind with innovation rarely seen in college. Being a student of both Pro and college offensives over the years, I have come to the conclusion that Stitt has probably the worse offense I have ever witnessed at any college level, his schemes are terrible and his play calling is beyond that. Cut the losses and get rid of him before the Griz become a Big Sky cellar dweller!!

 

[Allezchat]

I would really like to see you break that down on the schedule.

Sure. So, again going off the assumption that we get it locked in at QB here;

Valpo - Win, at home, should be an easy opener

UW - loss

EWU - toss up, their defense isn't great, and they're going to be replacing all those WRs, game is at home

PSU - win, poor defense, losing their stud QB, bad season this year

ISU - win, improving but not a great team,

UND - toss up, its in Wa Griz, I'm wondering if UND this year is like last years SUU

Weber - toss up, honestly I've not really looked into their team since we haven't played them in a few years. But in their house and with the defense they've built up, I'd lean to a loss here if it were this year, but just not sure on what Weebz will look like next year.

NAU - win, later season game in Wa Griz usually doesn't go well for NAU. This one could be a hell of a game if Cookus is back and healthy.

UNC - win, again in our house and hopefully with far fewer execution errors this time around

MSU - win, they're not a great team yet and will still be young and lose some of their best talent on offense (Brekke and Newell).

Presumed D2 plug in team - win.

----
So UW is the obvious loss, Weber, EWU, UND the toss ups. That's a swing from 7-4 to 10-1 depending on how they handle the three conference games. And two of the three are at home.

Again that's making a massive assumption at QB.

Brint, fair enough, but I think you are far to optimistic.

Well they don't call me a sugarcoater for nothing.

Now does that sugar extend to the cookies of your wife's that were discussed a few weeks ago? Because sugar coated cookies are even better. Or is she the anti-sugarcoater in your house to kind of equal you out. With maybe a little.....SOURcream in her cookies? :lol: :lol:

 

[BWahlberg]

Sure. So, again going off the assumption that we get it locked in at QB here;

Valpo - Win, at home, should be an easy opener

UW - loss

EWU - toss up, their defense isn't great, and they're going to be replacing all those WRs, game is at home

PSU - win, poor defense, losing their stud QB, bad season this year

ISU - win, improving but not a great team,

UND - toss up, its in Wa Griz, I'm wondering if UND this year is like last years SUU

Weber - toss up, honestly I've not really looked into their team since we haven't played them in a few years. But in their house and with the defense they've built up, I'd lean to a loss here if it were this year, but just not sure on what Weebz will look like next year.

NAU - win, later season game in Wa Griz usually doesn't go well for NAU. This one could be a hell of a game if Cookus is back and healthy.

UNC - win, again in our house and hopefully with far fewer execution errors this time around

MSU - win, they're not a great team yet and will still be young and lose some of their best talent on offense (Brekke and Newell).

Presumed D2 plug in team - win.

----
So UW is the obvious loss, Weber, EWU, UND the toss ups. That's a swing from 7-4 to 10-1 depending on how they handle the three conference games. And two of the three are at home.

Again that's making a massive assumption at QB.

Brint, fair enough, but I think you are far to optimistic.

Well they don't call me a sugarcoater for nothing.

Now does that sugar extend to the cookies of your wife's that were discussed a few weeks ago? Because sugar coated cookies are even better. Or is she the anti-sugarcoater in your house to kind of equal you out. With maybe a little.....SOURcream in her cookies? :lol: :lol:

The cookies were delicious.

 

[Glendivegriz]

I think given the melt down this season, 5 wins next year will be difficult. Expect more offense built around bubble screens to JLM. More special teams melt downs and a defense that looks confused more and more each series. There is nothing in the last five games this year that would indicate we should expect anything different next year. The wait until he gets his players crowd is whistling in the dark. The only reason we even kept some of these games respectable is because we had talent. When a seventy year old woman in the bar screams why don't we have a spy on Murray at the beginning of the third quarter Saturday, there is your sign.

 

[Diesel]

Thanks Brint for the positive posts. Forward and onward a lot changes every year with the players leaving and new ones coming in.
Look forward to the recruiting and information about the new players as things unfold.

 

[poorgriz]

I think given the melt down this season, 5 wins next year will be difficult. Expect more offense built around bubble screens to JLM. More special teams melt downs and a defense that looks confused more and more each series. There is nothing in the last five games this year that would indicate we should expect anything different next year. The wait until he gets his players crowd is whistling in the dark. The only reason we even kept some of these games respectable is because we had talent. When a seventy year old woman in the bar screams why don't we have a spy on Murray at the beginning of the third quarter Saturday, there is your sign.

Ya - methinks a bunch of griz nation is in la la land, maybe still in a haze after losing Cat\griz. So you had a full stable of QBs on the roster, some were already there but some recruited by Stitt - and you lose the two that were best at running his offense and in fact Brady was "By far the best" one according to Stitt. And that was by far your best on Saturday? Now you have to find multiple QBs that are yet a huge upgrade over BG? Yes, multiple.... because there is no way in hell a QB can last an entire season in that system, I have been posting that on here for two years. Just way too many plays. Seems like a tall order but who knows maybe you'll find a Drew Miller out there or then again it might be a Bruggman, or Swogger. :shock:

 

[UMGriz75]

Amazing the reactions to this coach and his abilities, coming to the Griz as a great offensive mind with innovation rarely seen in college. Being a student of both Pro and college offensives over the years, I have come to the conclusion that Stitt has probably the worse offense I have ever witnessed at any college level, his schemes are terrible and his play calling is beyond that. Cut the losses and get rid of him before the Griz become a Big Sky cellar dweller!!

I was as high on the guy as anybody at the start. How could so much hype be wrong, and I liked the idea of "innovative" and "creative." And 15 years at a school sounded like an ideal loyalist who might not move on quickly after running up a great DI record.

The Cal Poly game quickly changed my mind, both in terms of the technical skills of the coach, losing in WaGriz, and the way he portrayed the loss. Three quarters of the way through the season, I noted the odd statistical patterns of his quarterbacks; great first games in their rotations, followed by declines. I also noted his stubborn reliance on a QB who had very large standard deviations; that if he had a bad day, it was really going to be a bad one, and that the inconsistency of his performances showed that these were bound to continue to happen. Well, then NDSU(2) happened.

Watching the crap unfold on the field this season tells me this coach cannot coach. I have not seen one single thing that he has done that justifies the reasons given for his hiring. Not one. You don't lose to the worst Cat team in 30 years, in WaGriz stadium, the team that the geniuses on this forum were proclaiming loudly just a few days ago was the worst team in the Big Sky Conference. You just don't.

 

[Diesel]

I hope the UM athletic department accepts your coaching application 75. If there is a need for references Egriz has several of yours posted.

Roy, board of regions, and Haslam may not like some of them, however Ty and all the players that Stiit was mean to will give you props.

 

[info]

The end of this year reminds me of what Eastern went through last year. Great start, horrible finish with a bad record. Let's hope next year is like Eastern's 2016!!

 

[reinell30]

The end of this year reminds me of what Eastern went through last year. Great start, horrible finish with a bad record. Let's hope next year is like Eastern's 2016!!

Takes good coaching to do this!

 

[griz9501]

I think given the melt down this season, 5 wins next year will be difficult. Expect more offense built around bubble screens to JLM. More special teams melt downs and a defense that looks confused more and more each series. There is nothing in the last five games this year that would indicate we should expect anything different next year. The wait until he gets his players crowd is whistling in the dark. The only reason we even kept some of these games respectable is because we had talent. When a seventy year old woman in the bar screams why don't we have a spy on Murray at the beginning of the third quarter Saturday, there is your sign.

Ya - methinks a bunch of griz nation is in la la land, maybe still in a haze after losing Cat\griz. So you had a full stable of QBs on the roster, some were already there but some recruited by Stitt - and you lose the two that were best at running his offense and in fact Brady was "By far the best" one according to Stitt. And that was by far your best on Saturday? Now you have to find multiple QBs that are yet a huge upgrade over BG? Yes, multiple.... because there is no way in hell a QB can last an entire season in that system, I have been posting that on here for two years. Just way too many plays. Seems like a tall order but who knows maybe you'll find a Drew Miller out there or then again it might be a Bruggman, or Swogger. :shock:

Stitt's system needs balance with the run game. Way too many throws - not enough rushing. He needs to find balance with controlling the clock and his system, number of plays alone (was it >70 against N. Colorado?) don't win you the game, but keeping the defense on the field with rushing will exhaust a defense. Our defensive line needs to get off tackles & guards faster (one reason we couldn't stop run game against bobcats). They need to get lower (bear crawls, drills, etc.) and develop agility. More coverages showing pass rush. In terms of QBs, we have Phillips, Simis (former qb but knows system), and Jensen. I may be forgetting others.

I'm optimistic that this staff can incorporate more running into their coaching philosophy, and it starts with the line of scrimmage. Our D line needs serious attention. I like Germer - he was around when Hauck was here. I feel he knows his stuff. I feel the D line though needs some serious attention. Perhaps Hendricks (D-line coach) could use some help, as he never played defensive line.

Defense needs speedier backs and lineman. Our rushing defense and pass rush was awful this season. We need to apply more pressure in the pocket up front.

 

[Glendivegriz]

I think given the melt down this season, 5 wins next year will be difficult. Expect more offense built around bubble screens to JLM. More special teams melt downs and a defense that looks confused more and more each series. There is nothing in the last five games this year that would indicate we should expect anything different next year. The wait until he gets his players crowd is whistling in the dark. The only reason we even kept some of these games respectable is because we had talent. When a seventy year old woman in the bar screams why don't we have a spy on Murray at the beginning of the third quarter Saturday, there is your sign.

Ya - methinks a bunch of griz nation is in la la land, maybe still in a haze after losing Cat\griz. So you had a full stable of QBs on the roster, some were already there but some recruited by Stitt - and you lose the two that were best at running his offense and in fact Brady was "By far the best" one according to Stitt. And that was by far your best on Saturday? Now you have to find multiple QBs that are yet a huge upgrade over BG? Yes, multiple.... because there is no way in hell a QB can last an entire season in that system, I have been posting that on here for two years. Just way too many plays. Seems like a tall order but who knows maybe you'll find a Drew Miller out there or then again it might be a Bruggman, or Swogger. :shock:

Stitt's system needs balance with the run game. Way too many throws - not enough rushing. He needs to find balance with controlling the clock and his system, number of plays alone (was it >70 against N. Colorado?) don't win you the game, but keeping the defense on the field with rushing will exhaust a defense. Our defensive line needs to get off tackles & guards faster (one reason we couldn't stop run game against bobcats). They need to get lower (bear crawls, drills, etc.) and develop agility. More coverages showing pass rush. In terms of QBs, we have Phillips, Simis (former qb but knows system), and Jensen. I may be forgetting others.

I'm optimistic that this staff can incorporate more running into their coaching philosophy, and it starts with the line of scrimmage. Our D line needs serious attention. I like Germer - he was around when Hauck was here. I feel he knows his stuff. I feel the D line though needs some serious attention. Perhaps Hendricks (D-line coach) could use some help, as he never played defensive line.

Defense needs speedier backs and lineman. Our rushing defense and pass rush was awful this season. We need to apply more pressure in the pocket up front.

I appreciate your optimism but, many of these issues were present last year and still have failed to be addressed. The talent of the players does not mean anything if they are not placed in situations to succeed. As I stated before Saturday, the regression of this team during the season was of more concern that the win/loss record. Saturday was the culmination of Stitt Happens. No rose colored glasses were going to make anything out of that performance other than a bad loss to a bad team on your home field.

 

[UMGriz75]

I hope the UM athletic department accepts your coaching application 75. If there is a need for references Egriz has several of yours posted. Roy, board of regions, and Haslam may not like some of them, however Ty and all the players that Stiit was mean to will give you props.

I am sure that, given your vote in favor of failure, this Board of Regents would take your application any day. It's what they do. And, I am sure those players that Stitt began publicly insulting a few weeks ago for their lack of "fire" would love you just fine. Seeing alleged Griz fans rooting for failure is beyond pathetic. Just because you publicly hooked your wagon to abject failure and are too embarrassed publicly to admit it and want to double down instead just to protect your fragile ego is no reason to put that team and those players through another year of failure.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

You would almost think 75 was cut out for a position more important than what equates to a greeter at walmart.

 

[griz9501]

I think given the melt down this season, 5 wins next year will be difficult. Expect more offense built around bubble screens to JLM. More special teams melt downs and a defense that looks confused more and more each series. There is nothing in the last five games this year that would indicate we should expect anything different next year. The wait until he gets his players crowd is whistling in the dark. The only reason we even kept some of these games respectable is because we had talent. When a seventy year old woman in the bar screams why don't we have a spy on Murray at the beginning of the third quarter Saturday, there is your sign.

Ya - methinks a bunch of griz nation is in la la land, maybe still in a haze after losing Cat\griz. So you had a full stable of QBs on the roster, some were already there but some recruited by Stitt - and you lose the two that were best at running his offense and in fact Brady was "By far the best" one according to Stitt. And that was by far your best on Saturday? Now you have to find multiple QBs that are yet a huge upgrade over BG? Yes, multiple.... because there is no way in hell a QB can last an entire season in that system, I have been posting that on here for two years. Just way too many plays. Seems like a tall order but who knows maybe you'll find a Drew Miller out there or then again it might be a Bruggman, or Swogger. :shock:

Stitt's system needs balance with the run game. Way too many throws - not enough rushing. He needs to find balance with controlling the clock and his system, number of plays alone (was it >70 against N. Colorado?) don't win you the game, but keeping the defense on the field with rushing will exhaust a defense. Our defensive line needs to get off tackles & guards faster (one reason we couldn't stop run game against bobcats). They need to get lower (bear crawls, drills, etc.) and develop agility. More coverages showing pass rush. In terms of QBs, we have Phillips, Simis (former qb but knows system), and Jensen. I may be forgetting others.

I'm optimistic that this staff can incorporate more running into their coaching philosophy, and it starts with the line of scrimmage. Our D line needs serious attention. I like Germer - he was around when Hauck was here. I feel he knows his stuff. I feel the D line though needs some serious attention. Perhaps Hendricks (D-line coach) could use some help, as he never played defensive line.

Defense needs speedier backs and lineman. Our rushing defense and pass rush was awful this season. We need to apply more pressure in the pocket up front.

I appreciate your optimism but, many of these issues were present last year and still have failed to be addressed. The talent of the players does not mean anything if they are not placed in situations to succeed. As I stated before Saturday, the regression of this team during the season was of more concern that the win/loss record. Saturday was the culmination of Stitt Happens. No rose colored glasses were going to make anything out of that performance other than a bad loss to a bad team on your home field.

You could be right. I'm not in the locker room. I just watch and study the Griz games, and those were my observations. It does seem that players are less excited about the game. I don't know. May be something is going on we don't know about. I do agree if things don't change by the end of next season, then we need to be looking for a new head coach. Nothing against Bob Stitt, but if players aren't happy and we aren't winning games then we need to go in a different direction.

 

[59701GRIZ]

I have always rooted for Coach Stitt (have even defended him) and would rarely call for a coaches job after two seasons. That being said, we need to face reality. Stitt has never been a great coach and his resume was suspect from day 1. In 14 seasons, he won 3 conference championships and was never a contender for the big prize losing in the 1st round twice and making 2nd round once. He posted losing seasons 6 times! His conference mark showed that he consistently lost a game for every 3 he coached...67% isn't exactly impressive. Then look at how the Griz have lost this year; big plays, penalties and untimely turn overs. These are all discipline issues that lay at the feet of the head man and under Coach Stitt the last two years the Griz have been in free fall in these categories. The bottom line is that this year's Grizzlies came into games unprepared by their coaching staff and their record showed it. I wish Coach Stitt the best...I just think it should be elsewhere.

 

[UMGriz75]

You would almost think 75 was cut out for a position more important than what equates to a greeter at walmart.

I do get a kick out of your nasty little asides when you don't have anything to actually say. It's really clever: "I think I'll just try and insult him!" Of course, Payton always gets right on it.