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Defense

Youre right, most players on our roster outside of a select few get very little if any money, but that’s not the point. But I digress. I’ll keep commenting as I please, and you feel free to do the same.
I look forward to pointing out your incorrect statements and post. It'll give me something to do. I don't agree that it's fine for people like you to criticize specific players on egriz, and to say they should never play in man defense. That is beyond ridiculous.
 
I look forward to pointing out your incorrect statements and post. It'll give me something to do. I don't agree that it's fine for people like you to criticize specific players on egriz, and to say they should never play in man defense. That is beyond ridiculous.
Dude, players are criticized publicly by name on both the GFP and colters pod (although they haven’t mentioned Boyd by named yet). On both it has been said that prince ford can’t play man/struggles in man. They’ve said that, I’ve said that, and others who have “played the game” have said that. To suggest that unless you’ve “played the game” at a level that you believe sufficient to have an opinion is what’s ridiculous. Anyone with two eyes can see that ford and Boyd struggle in man coverage.
 
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Dude, players are criticized publicly by name on both the GFP and colters pod (although they haven’t mentioned Boyd by named yet). On both it has been said that prince ford can’t play man/struggles in man. They’ve said that, I’ve said that, and others who have “played the game” have said that. To suggest that unless you’ve “played the game” at a level that you believe sufficient to have an opinion is what’s ridiculous. Anyone with two eyes can see that ford and Boyd struggle in man coverage.
First, none of those sources said Boyd and Ford should never play man again. You are exaggerating and lying. You are extreme and harsh.

I have never said one has to have played the game to have an opinion or even to be Knowledgeable of the game. What I usually say is that I can often see, in some people’s posts, that they never played. Because they say things that are completely wrong.

You clearly don’t know how to play man defense. Nor evaluate what occurred and why on plays. You appear to think, if you think someone got beat, that some major sin has occurred and conclude they don’t know how to play man. The problem, in my view, is with you. You don’t really know what’s going on.

Those other guys speak under their real names. Many of them played the game or have good knowledge of the game. We can evaluate what they know and perhaps their biases. Put your name out there, so we can better evaluate your (lack of) knowledge.

Saying someone struggles at times on something is not what you were saying about Boyd. That’s my gripe with you.

If Boyd is so bad, why haven’t those others said that? Why are you the only one?

In reading some of your posts, I wonder who in the F you think you are. Saying some of what you say. Again, put your name out there. I assume you don’t have the balls to back up your statements with your name. You are just another chicken s keyboard warrior.

Read my long post on Boyd’s play that you mentioned. You might learn something.
 
First, none of those sources said Boyd and Ford should never play man again. You are exaggerating and lying. You are extreme and harsh.

I have never said one has to have played the game to have an opinion or even to be Knowledgeable of the game. What I usually say is that I can often see, in some people’s posts, that they never played. Because they say things that are completely wrong.

You clearly don’t know how to play man defense. Nor evaluate what occurred and why on plays. You appear to think, if you think someone got beat, that some major sin has occurred and conclude they don’t know how to play man. The problem, in my view, is with you. You don’t really know what’s going on.

Those other guys speak under their real names. Many of them played the game or have good knowledge of the game. We can evaluate what they know and perhaps their biases. Put your name out there, so we can better evaluate your (lack of) knowledge.

Saying someone struggles at times on something is not what you were saying about Boyd. That’s my gripe with you.

If Boyd is so bad, why haven’t those others said that? Why are you the only one?

In reading some of your posts, I wonder who in the F you think you are. Saying some of what you say. Again, put your name out there. I assume you don’t have the balls to back up your statements with your name. You are just another chicken s keyboard warrior.

Read my long post on Boyd’s play that you mentioned. You might learn something.
I’ve said nothing inflammatory. I’ve been critical of a couple players and their ability to play man coverage. I won’t be apologizing for that. I’m no keyboard warrior, just a guy with an opinion that doesn’t match yours. In person I’ve got the same unapologetically opinionated personality, and I don’t need to apologize for that either. Go back through my posts and nit pick if you like, I’m here to shoot the shit about Griz football and sometimes have strong opinions, many of which you disagree with, so we can agree to disagree. I don’t come here and attack players as you seem to be insinuating. I said that one player in particular had some struggles and that I had one play in particular in mind that I thought was a “piss poor effort”. That seems to be what has you incensed. Sorry not sorry 🤷‍♂️ FWIW I post on twitter under my real name and don’t pull my punches there either, since none of what I’m saying is particularly inflammatory. You’re making mountains out of molehills here. Do I exaggerate sometimes? Sure. Do I lie? Absolutely not.
 
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I’ve said nothing inflammatory. I’ve been critical of a couple players and their ability to play man coverage. I won’t be apologizing for that. I’m no keyboard warrior, just a guy with an opinion that doesn’t match yours. In person I’ve got the same unapologetically opinionated personality, and I don’t need to apologize for that either. Go back through my posts and nit pick if you like, I’m here to shoot the shit about Griz football and sometimes have strong opinions, many of which you disagree with, so we can agree to disagree. I don’t come here and attack players as you seem to be insinuating. I said that one player in particular had some struggles and that I had one play in particular in mind that I thought was a “piss poor effort”. That seems to be what has you incensed. Sorry not sorry 🤷‍♂️ FWIW I post on twitter under my real name and don’t pull my punches there either, since none of what I’m saying is particularly inflammatory. You’re making mountains out of molehills here. Do I exaggerate sometimes? Sure. Do I lie? Absolutely not.
When called out, you pretend you are only saying someone struggles with man coverage or struggles at times. If that’s all you were saying, no one would be calling you out. Your exaggerations, and denials, are lies, in my view. Did someone ask you to apologize? I didn’t see that. You are the one making a molehill or two into a mountain. Boyd gives up a TD in a tough play, and you say he should never play man coverage. Oh, please.

This is unduly harsh, offensive and inflammatory, in my view. And incorrect.

“Kade Boyd was the player that really got torched. He was personally responsible for two or three blown plays that resulted in points for SHU. He should not be playing man coverage…..ever.”

And you just said he had piss-poor effort on the play. That is not true either. Unduly harsh, offensive and inflammatory again. You don’t understand secondary play.

I agree with Irish. “You must have been looking at your honorable mention certificate for jr. high football and thought it would be good to call out a player. You couldn’t hold #17’s jock strap.”
 
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When called out, you pretend you are only saying someone struggles with man coverage or struggles at times. If that’s all you were saying, no one would be calling you out. Your exaggerations, and denials, are lies, in my view. Did someone ask you to apologize? I didn’t see that. You are the one making a molehill or two into a mountain. Boyd gives up a TD in a tough play, and you say he should never play man coverage. Oh, please.

I agree with Irish. “You go man. You must have been looking at your honorable mention certificate for jr. high football and thought it would be good to call out a player. You couldn’t hold #17’s jock strap.”
Our secondary is horrible. The problems are both talent and scheme.
 
When called out, you pretend you are only saying someone struggles with man coverage or struggles at times. If that’s all you were saying, no one would be calling you out. Your exaggerations, and denials, are lies, in my view. Did someone ask you to apologize? I didn’t see that. You are the one making a molehill or two into a mountain. Boyd gives up a TD in a tough play, and you say he should never play man coverage. Oh, please.
No pretending, and no lying, in fact I quoted what I said. I said it was a “piss poor effort” and that he had several “blown plays” by which I meant that him getting beat was what resulted either directly in points or indirectly by extending drives through chunk plays given up. I also asserted that he should “never play man” which I’ll give you is definitely hyperbolic. We’re not writing a thesis paper or writing a submission for publication in a law review here. We can go on and on like this, but I’m not changing my stance, and you’re not changing yours, so we’re both wasting our time arguing with one another. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Those other guys speak under their real names. Many of them played the game or have good knowledge of the game. We can evaluate what they know and perhaps their biases. Put your name out there, so we can better evaluate your (lack of) knowledge.
I don’t put my name on here for everyone to see but will gladly DM you my name and you can look into me if you’d like. I have told you I have not played the game at the collegiate level and was a serviceable high school LB at best 😆. Thing is, once you know my name and look at my twitter feed, you’ll see my stance there is the same as it is here.
 
I don’t put my name on here for everyone to see but will gladly DM you my name and you can look into me if you’d like. I have told you I have not played the game at the collegiate level and was a serviceable high school LB at best 😆. Thing is, once you know my name and look at my twitter feed, you’ll see my stance there is the same as it is here.
Can you two take your pillow fight offline to DM please, good grief.
 
Montanas defensive stats to date

- 93/126 in pass defense (OUCH!)
- 55/126 in rush defense
- 11/126 in red zone defense (3 way tie)
- 28/126 in scoring defense
- 74/126 in total defense
- 93/126 in sacks (5 way tie)
 
Montanas defensive stats to date

- 93/126 in pass defense (OUCH!)
- 55/126 in rush defense
- 11/126 in red zone defense (3 way tie)
- 28/126 in scoring defense
- 74/126 in total defense
- 93/126 in sacks (5 way tie)
I almost asked this before, but do you know the 3 teams left out? There are 129 teams in FCS and I could see them not having UTRGV and New Haven in there because they are brand new.

I doesn't change much at the end of the day, just my own curiosity.
 
I almost asked this before, but do you know the 3 teams left out? There are 129 teams in FCS and I could see them not having UTRGV and New Haven in there because they are brand new.

I doesn't change much at the end of the day, just my own curiosity.
I don’t. I was just looking at the stat sheet. Didn’t think to look for teams left out
 
Our secondary is horrible. The problems are both talent and scheme.
Horrible doesn't seem quite right. I think as a group they've shown quite a bit of talent. I am Kyon is a first team all-conference guy. Stud. Since he went down, Lawler has been really impressive, second in the league in pass break-ups and playing at an all conference level right now. Harper is a terrific player. Has played nickel and corner and locks dudes up. Diezel great in the box, very good tackler. No, not everyone in the secondary is great, but those mentioned above are DUDES. Overall much improved from last year. Now scheme is different, I won't argue that point. But our ones are talented without a doubt.
 
Montanas defensive stats to date

- 93/126 in pass defense (OUCH!)
- 55/126 in rush defense
- 11/126 in red zone defense (3 way tie)
- 28/126 in scoring defense
- 74/126 in total defense
- 93/126 in sacks (5 way tie)
Needs a lot of work if we're going to win a championship. Like I said in other threads, probably just need to outscore teams.
 
Yes, that was the play I saw. It was a tough play for no. 17, and a nice play call and route call for SH.

17 was locked on a bigger receiver, maybe a TE (I couldn't see the number), at 4 yards depth. The depth tells me that it was a bigger/slower receiver, or 17 would have been lined up a bit deeper.

SH was in trips right (3 receivers), and sent a 4th receiver (no. 10 who caught the TD) in motion from the left side. The safety followed 10 across the field from fairly deep.

Yes, they were in man coverage.

When 10 started to go past 17's receiver to the outside, 17 did the right thing and switched men, so that the safety could take the then inside receiver, wouldn't have to continue further, and the 2 Griz defenders wouldn't get in each other's way.

17 took an awkward step to his left to get better position on where 10 was and was going, as the switch occurred. He was a bit off balance and not in good position to cover a slant route (to his inside) as the step and momentum took him outside, nor did he have enough depth for a receiver running in motion and with some forward momentum when he turned up field.

17 should have had more depth, but he couldn't because of where he was lined up on his receiver. I suppose he had one more chance to backpedal faster from his 4 yard depth. That would be my only suggestion or criticism. But again, his momentum due to his step to get wider had him going in the wrong direction, and the motion receiver had momentum to propel him downfield faster.

Due to the blitz, there was no linebacker to block the view of the qb and get in way of the throw to help the defender. A slant without a linebacker help is hard to defend.

I doubt that 17 got much criticism from the coaches for the play.

Irish probably knows more than I do. I recall a specific secondary post he made a year ago, which showed me that he knew what he was talking about. I have no info on the play from coaches or anyone else.
The fact is. People on egriz and 99% of the public have no idea how complicated the Griz defense is from the back end. Keep in mind we have an NFL safeties coach designing and calling the defense. Yes, we play a lot of man coverage, as we blitz 5-6 guys all the time. The safeties in this defense have tremendous conflict most of the time. Example: they are usually locked up on a slot wr, te or back when it is trips to their side. With this responsibility, they are also responsible for the run part of the RPO game. Imagine yourself with both a tremendous amount of run responsibility and man pass coverage at the same time.
I personally love this defense as it is constantly pressuring the offense. You know, this may surprise some of you but typically the opposing team has good players too. They will make plays too. Obviously, based on our 7-0 record, we are making more than the other team.

Hate to see people call out players individually when they have no idea what they are talking.
Go GRIZ!
 
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