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Defense
- Thread starter hm.grwn.grizfan
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what a weak response. Not my job to do better, that’s on the players who get paid NIL money and are on scholarship to do so. It’s a sports board where we talk about the team. Sometimes we talk about aspects of the team, including personnel, that arent working. Don’t like it, that’s fine, ignore what I have to say.
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You go man. You must have been looking at your honorable mention certificate for jr. high football and thought
it would be good to call out a player. You couldn’t hold #17’s jock strap
mthoopsfan
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Practice.
Strong work. You got me good man
mthoopsfan
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Why don't you show us clips of the two plays? I'd like to see them to see if I agree. I'm just guessing that I won't agree with your analysis of both, but maybe I will. I missed much of the game. I have a vague recollection that Irish has shown some knowledge of the D in the past, so you might want to treat him a bit better. I think he knows alot more about D that you or I do.
701Grizfan
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Damn. Sac st prez got us all worked up at each other. No problems, just situations. Go Griz Fight On!!!Strong work. You got me good man
mthoopsfan
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'Again, Irish seems to know something about the D. You should consider listening to what he has to say. I think I recall giving us some good info on the D a year or so ago, but don't recall for sure. Please don't chase off posters that seem to have good info.Strong work. You got me good man
I don’t know how to clip them from YouTube. Here’s a link to the game, and the play I referred to is at the 6:50 mark of the 4th quarter.
I didn’t chase him off. All I said was if he doesn’t like what I say he’s free to ignore it. He’s also free to throw insults if that’s his speed. We disagree, and that fine. Disagreement and debate are what makes this board enjoyable after all these years.
mthoopsfan
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Was that the short TD over the middle in the endzone?
What's the other play you referred to? I will watch both at some point. Thx.
He probably does know more about defense than me. I’m a plebeian fan
I watch enough football and pay attention enough to pick out basic schematic elements. I enjoy going back and watching film more closely, but I definitely don’t profess to be some student of the game.
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Yeah, that’s the play. I’ll find the other again tomorrow and let you know. It was earlier in either that drive or the previous scoring drive. I have to hit the sack. Work at 4am
mthoopsfan
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It looks like neither he nor I like you dissing specific players, particularly when your posting shows that you often don't know what you're talking about. Disagreeing is one thing, but dissing specific players is not something I support. You obviously never played the game; I did. You probably never had a kid play college football; I did. If anyone should be chased off, it should be you. I suggest that you stop dissing specific players, especially saying what you said initially. See below. If you continue, and I notice it, I am probably going to jump you. Do what you want, and I will too.
In my view, this comment of yours was inappropriate. "He was personally responsible for two or three blown plays that resulted in points for SHU. He should not be playing man coverage…..ever."
You are not going to be able to show us 3 blown plays that resulted in points for SH. That is just not true. If you want to say it looked like he got beat on the player over the middle, a slant, I would not have said anything. Irish probably wouldn't have either.
That’s fine. You’re free to do that, and I’m free to continue saying things like neither prince ford or kade Boyd are very good in man coverage. They’ve got strengths in other areas otherwise they wouldn’t see the field. Further, in the era of profit sharing, NIL, endorsements and the like, player scrutiny is definitely no taboo man….it’s fair game. If you don’t like what I say, feel free to come at me, I’ve got plenty thick skin from a 14 year career in oil, and won’t be hurt by the words of strangers on a message board
In any case it’s not like I’m attacking these guys as people here. I called out some poor play where I noticed a player got beat pretty badly in man coverage on several occasions. If that’s off limits here then what are we even doing?
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mthoopsfan
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Yes, that was the play I saw. It was a tough play for no. 17, and a nice play call and route call for SH.
17 was locked on a bigger receiver, maybe a TE (I couldn't see the number), at 4 yards depth. The depth tells me that it was a bigger/slower receiver, or 17 would have been lined up a bit deeper.
SH was in trips right (3 receivers), and sent a 4th receiver (no. 10 who caught the TD) in motion from the left side. The safety followed 10 across the field from fairly deep.
Yes, they were in man coverage.
When 10 started to go past 17's receiver to the outside, 17 did the right thing and switched men, so that the safety could take the then inside receiver, wouldn't have to continue further, and the 2 Griz defenders wouldn't get in each other's way.
17 took an awkward step to his left to get better position on where 10 was and was going, as the switch occurred. He was a bit off balance and not in good position to cover a slant route (to his inside) as the step and momentum took him outside, nor did he have enough depth for a receiver running in motion and with some forward momentum when he turned up field.
17 should have had more depth, but he couldn't because of where he was lined up on his receiver. I suppose he had one more chance to backpedal faster from his 4 yard depth. That would be my only suggestion or criticism. But again, his momentum due to his step to get wider had him going in the wrong direction, and the motion receiver had momentum to propel him downfield faster.
Due to the blitz, there was no linebacker to block the view of the qb and get in way of the throw to help the defender. A slant without a linebacker help is hard to defend.
I doubt that 17 got much criticism from the coaches for the play.
Irish probably knows more than I do. I recall a specific secondary post he made a year ago, which showed me that he knew what he was talking about. I have no info on the play from coaches or anyone else.
mthoopsfan
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That’s fine. You’re free to do that, and I’m free to continue saying things like neither prince ford or kade Boyd are very good in man coverage. They’ve got strengths in other areas otherwise they wouldn’t see the field. Further, in the era of profit sharing, NIL, endorsements and the like, player scrutiny is definitely no taboo man….it’s fair game. If you don’t like what I say, feel free to come at me, I’ve got plenty thick skin from a 14 year career in oil, and won’t be hurt by the words of strangers on a message board
In any case it’s not like I’m attacking these guys as people here. I called out some poor play where I noticed a player got beat pretty badly in man coverage on several occasions. If that’s off limits here then what are we even doing.
You don't know what you are talking about on secondary play, nor the Griz secondary. What you are saying is wrong. I will be happy to keep commenting on your incorrect posts. I've seen them before. You obviously never played the game. This "stranger" on a message board played cornerback on a top 20 (actually ranked 14) team that won the Lambert Trophy ahead of Penn St one year (and was 2d to Pennt St in the Lambert the next year, and was an all-conference player.
You don't understand man coverage, because you never played the game. Again, getting beat is one thing. Every secondary player, at every level, gets beat at times. Saying 17 and Ford should never play man is JUST PLAIN STUPID. Even Loud, who is a terrific cover corner, gets beat sometime.
Players like no. 17 get little in NIL money, by the way.
mthoopsfan
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Great. I look forward to seeing the play. Not that you said that 17 got beat 2 or 3 times where SH got points. You found one. Let's see the second/third too.
Youre right, most players on our roster outside of a select few get very little if any money, but that’s not the point. But I digress. I’ll keep commenting as I please, and you feel free to do the same.
Plays that led to points, as in extended drives and chunk plays.
