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[citygriz]

to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?

Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

yo, greenie. i can always count on you to miss the point!

this was not a "mistake." this was a well-orchestrated coverup of a serious crime. do you seriously think the nfl hadn't seen that tape? that an organization with ex-cia staffers that knows what a seventh round draft choice had for breakfast two years ago had not seen that tape? that the punishment wouldn't have been different if the world had seen that tape? that goddell isn't lying?

no surprise you can be obtuse, but in this case, your gullibility absolutely astounds me.

Nope, you have missed the point. Goodell is the one who suggested the independent investigation to the owners. He is also the one person in the world who knows exactly what he knew and did, and he probably knows more about what his NFL staff knew and did. Don't think he would have suggested the independent investigation unless he knew it would turn out reasonably well for the NFL and himself.

There was no well-orchestrated coverup. What do you think was covered up? The police had seen the video, knew what happened, and decided to enter into the mild agreement with Rice. The NFL and Goodell appear to have known that he had hit her, as Rice had told them that--probably in the meeting that Rice and his wife had with Goodell and the NFL. Why was it so important to have seen the tape. While graphic and ugly, it didn't show anything other than what they must have already known or heard. And, again, the police had seen it. It hasn't changed the minds of the police.

I'm not so sure that the NFL having seen the tape would have changed anything. Now, because of the media storm from the tape, the NFL and the Ravens have had to act to protect their reputations, and they acted immediately. In the meantime, Ray Rice has not played any game since the incident occurred.

Goodell is smart. He has done a very good job with the NFL. He is completely supported by the owners. I suppose something could happen, but I don't see Goodell resigning or losing his job. I'm guessing that the independent investigation will not cause Goodell to lose his job. It will probably support all or most of what he has said.

i agree. he's everything the owners want. he's smart, white, burly and tough, and they've given him almost unlimited power to mete out punishment to players and coaches. but the hallmark of tragedy is hubris. you get to thinking you're so powerful you can get away with anything, then comes the fall. goodell went on cbs news and told what have turned out to be a couple of whopping lies. first, that nobody at the nfl offices had seen the tape, when there is evidence now the tape was in fact delivered to the nfl offices, and a worker there even commented, "you're right. this is terrible." and second, he claimed when he met with ray rice, rice was vague about what had happened in the elevator, when in fact, every witness to that meeting says rice told him EXACTLY what happened in the elevator.

character is destiny, my friend. being so powerful, goodell thought he could get away with telling a few lies, but those lies are boomeranging back at him. i was always taught, if you mess up, fess up. of course, he can't fess up now, because that would be his job, outright. whether he gets by now depends on how many more shoes drop in this case--and there will be more. what was the "ray rice issue" has now become "the roger goodell issue."

 

[citygriz]

to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?

Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

yo, greenie. i can always count on you to miss the point!

this was not a "mistake." this was a well-orchestrated coverup of a serious crime. do you seriously think the nfl hadn't seen that tape? that an organization with ex-cia staffers that knows what a seventh round draft choice had for breakfast two years ago had not seen that tape? that the punishment wouldn't have been different if the world had seen that tape? that goddell isn't lying?

no surprise you can be obtuse, but in this case, your gullibility absolutely astounds me.

Nope, you have missed the point. Goodell is the one who suggested the independent investigation to the owners. He is also the one person in the world who knows exactly what he knew and did, and he probably knows more about what his NFL staff knew and did. Don't think he would have suggested the independent investigation unless he knew it would turn out reasonably well for the NFL and himself.

There was no well-orchestrated coverup. What do you think was covered up? The police had seen the video, knew what happened, and decided to enter into the mild agreement with Rice. The NFL and Goodell appear to have known that he had hit her, as Rice had told them that--probably in the meeting that Rice and his wife had with Goodell and the NFL. Why was it so important to have seen the tape. While graphic and ugly, it didn't show anything other than what they must have already known or heard. And, again, the police had seen it. It hasn't changed the minds of the police.

I'm not so sure that the NFL having seen the tape would have changed anything. Now, because of the media storm from the tape, the NFL and the Ravens have had to act to protect their reputations, and they acted immediately. In the meantime, Ray Rice has not played any game since the incident occurred.

Goodell is smart. He has done a very good job with the NFL. He is completely supported by the owners. I suppose something could happen, but I don't see Goodell resigning or losing his job. I'm guessing that the independent investigation will not cause Goodell to lose his job. It will probably support all or most of what he has said.

i agree. he's everything the owners want. he's smart, white, burly and tough, and they've given him almost unlimited power to mete out punishment to players and coaches. but the hallmark of tragedy is hubris. you get to thinking you're so powerful you can get away with anything, then comes the fall. goodell went on cbs news and told what have turned out to be a couple of whopping lies. first, that nobody at the nfl offices had seen the tape, when there is evidence now the tape was in fact delivered to the nfl offices, and a worker there even commented, "you're right. this is terrible." and second, he claimed when he met with ray rice, rice was vague about what had happened in the elevator, when in fact, every witness to that meeting says rice told him EXACTLY what happened in the elevator.

character is destiny, my friend. being so powerful, goodell thought he could get away with telling a few lies, but those lies are boomeranging back at him. i was always taught, if you mess up, fess up. of course, he can't fess up now, because that would be his job, outright. whether he gets by now depends on how many more shoes drop in this case--and there will be more. what was the "ray rice issue" has now become "the roger goodell issue."

 

[garizzalies]

So, Tiger grabbing some strange is worse than RayRay's left cross? Really?

 

[Eriul]

Uhh.. Well 1 broke up a marriage and the other didn't. I would rather be punched in the face by my significant other than be cheated on over 10 times with different people

 

[grizcountry420]

From taking another look from the video its looks more like a slap and her face hitting the hand rails is what knocked her out.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Uhh.. Well 1 broke up a marriage and the other didn't. I would rather be punched in the face by my significant other than be cheated on over 10 times with different people

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're in the significant minority there. Then again, your significant other is a female, so how bad could the punch really hurt?

 

[PlayerRep]

Uhh.. Well 1 broke up a marriage and the other didn't. I would rather be punched in the face by my significant other than be cheated on over 10 times with different people

Interesting comparison. So would I.

 

[garizzalies]

Both are immoral but only one is illegal. One can still practice his livelihood and one cannot.

 

[Eriul]

Uhh.. Well 1 broke up a marriage and the other didn't. I would rather be punched in the face by my significant other than be cheated on over 10 times with different people

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're in the significant minority there. Then again, your significant other is a female, so how bad could the punch really hurt?

Yah one time physical pain is WAY WORSE than years of heartache :lol:

 

[Eriul]

Both are immoral but only one is illegal. One can still practice his livelihood and one cannot.

Adultery is illegal in 21 states

 

[AZGrizFan]

Both are immoral but only one is illegal. One can still practice his livelihood and one cannot.

Adultery is illegal in 21 states

Who was the last person to go to jail for adultry?

 

[PlayerRep]

Both are immoral but only one is illegal. One can still practice his livelihood and one cannot.

Adultery is illegal in 21 states

Who was the last person to go to jail for adultry?

How many people have been stoned to death for adultery?

 

[AZGrizFan]

Both are immoral but only one is illegal. One can still practice his livelihood and one cannot.

Adultery is illegal in 21 states

Who was the last person to go to jail for adultry?

How many people have been stoned to death for adultery?

Exactly.

Conversely, there's LOTS of people in jail/prison for assault. And that's what happened in the elevator.

 

[PlayerRep]

Adultery is illegal in 21 states

Who was the last person to go to jail for adultry?

How many people have been stoned to death for adultery?

Exactly.

Conversely, there's LOTS of people in jail/prison for assault. And that's what happened in the elevator.

Except that in this particular situation, the police/prosecutors, after seeing the both tapes and viewing the facts/evidence, agreed to enter into a deal that results in no jail time and nothing that will go on his record--assuming he completes the various requirements. The police say they treated him just like any other first-time offender.

 

[Eriul]

TBF throughout history it is pretty easy to say more people have gotten killed/jail time for adultery than assault but that doesn't really matter

I truly don't think I am in the minority of people who would rather get hit in the face though. I mean...have you seen fight club

 

[garizzalies]

You are assuming ONE hit. The real question is would you rather be in an abusive relationship or with a cheater. pick your poison, I guess.

 

[Eriul]

You are assuming ONE hit. The real question is would you rather be in an abusive relationship or with a cheater. pick your poison, I guess.

Well all we know about is one hit. We are judging these 2 acts based on what we know and I'm going to guess that Ray Rice's wife is not actually in an abusive relationship as this is the first time offense with them still going strong.

What we know is that Ray Rice hit/slapped his girl once(obviously not ok)

vs.

Tiger Woods sleeping with MULTIPLE women while married with kids


TBH neither is ok but to me I think it is pretty clear whose act is worse

 

[AZGrizFan]

You are assuming ONE hit. The real question is would you rather be in an abusive relationship or with a cheater. pick your poison, I guess.

Well all we know about is one hit. We are judging these 2 acts based on what we know and I'm going to guess that Ray Rice's wife is not actually in an abusive relationship as this is the first time offense with them still going strong.

What we know is that Ray Rice hit/slapped his girl once(obviously not ok)

vs.

Tiger Woods sleeping with MULTIPLE women while married with kids


TBH neither is ok but to me I think it is pretty clear whose act is worse

Why can't we assume? Just yesterday you assumed that we all have friends who are abusers...what's good for the goose, no?

 

[Eriul]

You are assuming ONE hit. The real question is would you rather be in an abusive relationship or with a cheater. pick your poison, I guess.

Well all we know about is one hit. We are judging these 2 acts based on what we know and I'm going to guess that Ray Rice's wife is not actually in an abusive relationship as this is the first time offense with them still going strong.

What we know is that Ray Rice hit/slapped his girl once(obviously not ok)

vs.

Tiger Woods sleeping with MULTIPLE women while married with kids


TBH neither is ok but to me I think it is pretty clear whose act is worse

Why can't we assume? Just yesterday you assumed that we all have friends who are abusers...what's good for the goose, no?

It actually is probably a safer assumption to assume that it's the first time to happen. But it really doesn't matter what I say. You're so upset at me you will contest me if I said the sky was blue.

 

[argh!]

the 'safer' assumption is that he's hit a woman before, but didn't get 'caught'. partner abuse is rarely a one-time thing. your defense of such things is kinda sad, eriul.