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dear brock, jordan, jimmy, tru, dan, danny, chase colt, kroy

I am absolutely in the camp that you should never hit a woman no matter what. But the release of the second video showing the knock-out punch and the subsequent reaction and outrage has me a bit confused.
Everybody knows that he hit her and knocked her out as evidenced by the video of him dragging her out of the elevator. Obviously law enforcement saw the punch tape in order for the charges to be brought.
Why does the release of the video showing the actual punch change his punishment all of a sudden and cause such an outrage by the women's groups and the like?
I am in no way defending what he did or trying to make light of it - I'm just wondering out loud on the interwebs why things have gotten this way when everybody knew what happened in the first place.
 
PlayerRep said:
citay said:
PlayerRep said:
What Rice did was horrible and inexcusable, and looks even worse on the new video. However, what should his punishment be, especially given what he got from the legal system, which was:

"Atlantic County Prosecutor James McClain agreed in May to let Rice enter the Pre-Trial Intervention program, a rehabilitation alternative to prosecution. If Rice completes an anger-management program and complies with other terms, the charges will be dropped and he won’t have a record of conviction."

“Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances,” Jay McKeen, a spokesman for McClain, said yesterday in an e-mail. “The decision was correct.”

He lost his lucrative contract with the Ravens ($4 million this season). He is suspended from the NFL. I can't imagine that he'd be allowed to come back in the next year or two, and I suppose it could be longer or even forever. Yes, a horrible act, and caught on video. However, he is not even going to end up with a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated just like any other first-time offender. The police had viewed the tape from inside the elevator.

So the guy should be banned for life, for one huge mistake, which won't even end up as a criminal charge on his record? He won't be allowed to earn a living through what may be only good way of earning a living that he has? Even if he gets back to the NFL, he won't be a good candidate for endorsements or commercials.

What about his wife? She has stayed with him the whole time. She said he was also at fault. She didn't need or seek medical attention that night. She married him after the incident. Does she not have a say in any of this? She is surely hurting now about as much as he is.

And Goodell, who has been praised for cleaning up the image of the NFL and getting much tougher. He makes a mistake, and now he should be fired? The owners like him. He's done a very good job up until this point.

Some of you, as well as the rest of the country, need to get some perspective. Nobody supports or condones domestic violence, but, really, what should the consequences be? One horrible and publicized incident of domestic violence, and the offender (and any supervisor who doesn't crucify him) should be fired and banned for life from their profession? A professor or teacher or businessman or lawyer in the same situation, and they should be fired and have to start a new profession? Come on.

Talk about piling on, and being self-righteous. And those who treat domestic violence as a political item, are certainly speaking up, adding fuel to the fire, and taking advantage of the situation.

Even the 2 commentators, who jokingly said something, are taking heat. They said, jokingly, that the moral of the story was to take the stairs. Not appropriate, especially for the first day the video was released, but the comment make me chuckle.


to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?


Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

yo, greenie. i can always count on you to miss the point!

this was not a "mistake." this was a well-orchestrated coverup of a serious crime. do you seriously think the nfl hadn't seen that tape? that an organization with ex-cia staffers that knows what a seventh round draft choice had for breakfast two years ago had not seen that tape? that the punishment wouldn't have been different if the world had seen that tape? that goddell isn't lying?

no surprise you can be obtuse, but in this case, your gullibility absolutely astounds me.
 
We all seem to be outraged that Ray Rice hit his wife and can’t imagine any of us could do such a thing. I certainly can’t imagine hitting a girl. The fact is many of us men do something almost as bad or in some cases worse with verbal and emotional abuse. I was once on a committee dealing with this and one lady stated she would have rather been beat up versus the verbal/emotional abuse she endured for years, because she would have left sooner (with the kids) or there is a legal way to deal with it. There was no public outcry for this woman (because there was no physical abuse) but she was way more damaged then Ray Rice’s wife. So in those cases should the guy lose his job, lose his reputation, his dignity etc. I am not saying RR shouldn’t have been fired, but we should all consider our own actions when judging others.
 
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
 
citay said:
PlayerRep said:
citay said:
PlayerRep said:
What Rice did was horrible and inexcusable, and looks even worse on the new video. However, what should his punishment be, especially given what he got from the legal system, which was:

"Atlantic County Prosecutor James McClain agreed in May to let Rice enter the Pre-Trial Intervention program, a rehabilitation alternative to prosecution. If Rice completes an anger-management program and complies with other terms, the charges will be dropped and he won’t have a record of conviction."

“Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances,” Jay McKeen, a spokesman for McClain, said yesterday in an e-mail. “The decision was correct.”

He lost his lucrative contract with the Ravens ($4 million this season). He is suspended from the NFL. I can't imagine that he'd be allowed to come back in the next year or two, and I suppose it could be longer or even forever. Yes, a horrible act, and caught on video. However, he is not even going to end up with a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated just like any other first-time offender. The police had viewed the tape from inside the elevator.

So the guy should be banned for life, for one huge mistake, which won't even end up as a criminal charge on his record? He won't be allowed to earn a living through what may be only good way of earning a living that he has? Even if he gets back to the NFL, he won't be a good candidate for endorsements or commercials.

What about his wife? She has stayed with him the whole time. She said he was also at fault. She didn't need or seek medical attention that night. She married him after the incident. Does she not have a say in any of this? She is surely hurting now about as much as he is.

And Goodell, who has been praised for cleaning up the image of the NFL and getting much tougher. He makes a mistake, and now he should be fired? The owners like him. He's done a very good job up until this point.

Some of you, as well as the rest of the country, need to get some perspective. Nobody supports or condones domestic violence, but, really, what should the consequences be? One horrible and publicized incident of domestic violence, and the offender (and any supervisor who doesn't crucify him) should be fired and banned for life from their profession? A professor or teacher or businessman or lawyer in the same situation, and they should be fired and have to start a new profession? Come on.

Talk about piling on, and being self-righteous. And those who treat domestic violence as a political item, are certainly speaking up, adding fuel to the fire, and taking advantage of the situation.

Even the 2 commentators, who jokingly said something, are taking heat. They said, jokingly, that the moral of the story was to take the stairs. Not appropriate, especially for the first day the video was released, but the comment make me chuckle.


to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?


Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

yo, greenie. i can always count on you to miss the point!

this was not a "mistake." this was a well-orchestrated coverup of a serious crime. do you seriously think the nfl hadn't seen that tape? that an organization with ex-cia staffers that knows what a seventh round draft choice had for breakfast two years ago had not seen that tape? that the punishment wouldn't have been different if the world had seen that tape? that goddell isn't lying?

no surprise you can be obtuse, but in this case, your gullibility absolutely astounds me.

I mean your original argument was about how ray rice is the worst human being alive when I can name 15 athletes off the top of my head who have done worse and are still playing and/or loved.
 
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
and, you know that, how?
 
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
and, you know that, how?


They admitted it... Brandon Marshall, Kobe Bryant, Tiger woods, etc. or have you forgotten about all of that? Interesting.
 
Eriul said:
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
and, you know that, how?


They admitted it... Brandon Marshall, Kobe Bryant, Tiger woods, etc. or have you forgotten about all of that? Interesting.
interesting to you, not me...sorry...but I am kinda wondering which of my friends you know are slapping their dates or wives or husbands around...just for gossip's sake. You seem to have a lot of info on that...I know a lesbian couple that regularly beat the crap out of each other, does that count?
 
biga75 said:
I am absolutely in the camp that you should never hit a woman no matter what. But the release of the second video showing the knock-out punch and the subsequent reaction and outrage has me a bit confused.
Everybody knows that he hit her and knocked her out as evidenced by the video of him dragging her out of the elevator. Obviously law enforcement saw the punch tape in order for the charges to be brought.
Why does the release of the video showing the actual punch change his punishment all of a sudden and cause such an outrage by the women's groups and the like?
I am in no way defending what he did or trying to make light of it - I'm just wondering out loud on the interwebs why things have gotten this way when everybody knew what happened in the first place.

Of course everybody knew in their minds what happened but a left hook to the jaw of a woman, broadcast every hour on the hour, kinda crystallizes the issue don't us think? Just ask the Foodservice Executive/ Dog Abuser that got caught on tape and subsequently fired. Video evidence seems to make all the difference in the world....,
 
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
Tiger Woods never admitted that he hit his wife. You are simply full of @#$#.

Anyway, you are suggesting that since others have done worse then its OK. BTW - nobody is suggesting ANYONE should EVER get away with this crap (or any other crime) but not everybody gets caught -- and that is unfortunate. I suppose that we should eliminate speeding laws because most people speed and never get caught?
 
Eriul said:
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
and, you know that, how?


They admitted it... Brandon Marshall, Kobe Bryant, Tiger woods, etc. or have you forgotten about all of that? Interesting.

I don't cheer for any of those jackasses. Jason Kidd either. And I'm pretty confident none of my friends are abusing their wives. Stick to the universe of what you know, Dr. Phil.
 
Grisly Fan said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
Tiger Woods never admitted that he hit his wife. You are simply full of @#$#.

Anyway, you are suggesting that since others have done worse then its OK. BTW - nobody is suggesting ANYONE should EVER get away with this crap (or any other crime) but not everybody gets caught -- and that is unfortunate. I suppose that we should eliminate speeding laws because most people speed and never get caught?

Lol when did I say Tiger Woods beat his wife? I said he has done worse...which he has.

I agree what Ray Rice did was bad and he should be punished but seriously? Everyone is talking about a lifetime ban on him when there are MANY more athletes, many in the NFL, who have done worse things AND WE KNOW ABOUT IT. All I am saying is maybe have some perspective that this isn't the worst thing to happen to the NFL and much worse will happen but will get swept under the rug.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Eriul said:
GrizLA said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
and, you know that, how?


They admitted it... Brandon Marshall, Kobe Bryant, Tiger woods, etc. or have you forgotten about all of that? Interesting.

I don't cheer for any of those jackasses. Jason Kidd either. And I'm pretty confident none of my friends are abusing their wives. Stick to the universe of what you know, Dr. Phil.

:roll:
 
Eriul said:
Grisly Fan said:
Eriul said:
The cover up is something different. Obviously if they tried to cover up the fact that they saw the video that is different but last I checked we have a legal system in our country and that system thrives on innocent until proven guilty. I don't think goodell made a mistake by letting the legal process go.

All of you outraging about how ray rice is a horrible person are ignorant. There are NUMEROUS atheletes and every day citizens who have done much worse(including women) who you cheer for or even are friends with
Tiger Woods never admitted that he hit his wife. You are simply full of @#$#.

Anyway, you are suggesting that since others have done worse then its OK. BTW - nobody is suggesting ANYONE should EVER get away with this crap (or any other crime) but not everybody gets caught -- and that is unfortunate. I suppose that we should eliminate speeding laws because most people speed and never get caught?

Lol when did I say Tiger Woods beat his wife? I said he has done worse...which he has.

I agree what Ray Rice did was bad and he should be punished but seriously? Everyone is talking about a lifetime ban on him when there are MANY more athletes, many in the NFL, who have done worse things AND WE KNOW ABOUT IT. All I am saying is maybe have some perspective that this isn't the worst thing to happen to the NFL and much worse will happen but will get swept under the rug.

You are so right. Keep it up. Thanks for speaking up. Hopefully, some of these clueless sheep and self-righteous types will eventually learn something--even it's only that some woman has kicked their ass over this.
 
I don't condone what Rice did and I think that he should be punished. However, hypothetically, does anyone think that had he not hit her and she actually attacked him and struck him with her fist, would she be getting drug through the mud as much as him? Watch the video. She was actually coming at him when he hit her. Again, I in no way condone what he did and I think it was horrible and I would never hit a woman even if she was attacking me. I had a male family member who suffered greatly from domestic abuse from his girlfriend and even after numerous times calling the police and eventually attempting to get a restraining order against her (which failed), she was never arrested or charged with any crime. We make it sound as if this is only a male on female problem but it goes both ways. She was obviously the aggressor from the beginning but we only see the final outcome. Had this been another male, everyone would be saying he deserved it for going after him. What he did was unthinkable and unexcusable but this issue is not as one sided as everyone is making it out to be. I am just bringing this up because I keep hearing the media talking about whether the fact that he plays a violent sport had anything to do with it and the answer is no. This is a widespread problem, both male and female. Let's just make sure that the punishment is equal no matter who the offender is. I don't want to hear the excuse about men being stronger than women either because the victims suffer the same either way.
 
citay said:
PlayerRep said:
citay said:
PlayerRep said:
What Rice did was horrible and inexcusable, and looks even worse on the new video. However, what should his punishment be, especially given what he got from the legal system, which was:

"Atlantic County Prosecutor James McClain agreed in May to let Rice enter the Pre-Trial Intervention program, a rehabilitation alternative to prosecution. If Rice completes an anger-management program and complies with other terms, the charges will be dropped and he won’t have a record of conviction."

“Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances,” Jay McKeen, a spokesman for McClain, said yesterday in an e-mail. “The decision was correct.”

He lost his lucrative contract with the Ravens ($4 million this season). He is suspended from the NFL. I can't imagine that he'd be allowed to come back in the next year or two, and I suppose it could be longer or even forever. Yes, a horrible act, and caught on video. However, he is not even going to end up with a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated just like any other first-time offender. The police had viewed the tape from inside the elevator.

So the guy should be banned for life, for one huge mistake, which won't even end up as a criminal charge on his record? He won't be allowed to earn a living through what may be only good way of earning a living that he has? Even if he gets back to the NFL, he won't be a good candidate for endorsements or commercials.

What about his wife? She has stayed with him the whole time. She said he was also at fault. She didn't need or seek medical attention that night. She married him after the incident. Does she not have a say in any of this? She is surely hurting now about as much as he is.

And Goodell, who has been praised for cleaning up the image of the NFL and getting much tougher. He makes a mistake, and now he should be fired? The owners like him. He's done a very good job up until this point.

Some of you, as well as the rest of the country, need to get some perspective. Nobody supports or condones domestic violence, but, really, what should the consequences be? One horrible and publicized incident of domestic violence, and the offender (and any supervisor who doesn't crucify him) should be fired and banned for life from their profession? A professor or teacher or businessman or lawyer in the same situation, and they should be fired and have to start a new profession? Come on.

Talk about piling on, and being self-righteous. And those who treat domestic violence as a political item, are certainly speaking up, adding fuel to the fire, and taking advantage of the situation.

Even the 2 commentators, who jokingly said something, are taking heat. They said, jokingly, that the moral of the story was to take the stairs. Not appropriate, especially for the first day the video was released, but the comment make me chuckle.


to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?


Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

yo, greenie. i can always count on you to miss the point!

this was not a "mistake." this was a well-orchestrated coverup of a serious crime. do you seriously think the nfl hadn't seen that tape? that an organization with ex-cia staffers that knows what a seventh round draft choice had for breakfast two years ago had not seen that tape? that the punishment wouldn't have been different if the world had seen that tape? that goddell isn't lying?

no surprise you can be obtuse, but in this case, your gullibility absolutely astounds me.

Nope, you have missed the point. Goodell is the one who suggested the independent investigation to the owners. He is also the one person in the world who knows exactly what he knew and did, and he probably knows more about what his NFL staff knew and did. Don't think he would have suggested the independent investigation unless he knew it would turn out reasonably well for the NFL and himself.

There was no well-orchestrated coverup. What do you think was covered up? The police had seen the video, knew what happened, and decided to enter into the mild agreement with Rice. The NFL and Goodell appear to have known that he had hit her, as Rice had told them that--probably in the meeting that Rice and his wife had with Goodell and the NFL. Why was it so important to have seen the tape. While graphic and ugly, it didn't show anything other than what they must have already known or heard. And, again, the police had seen it. It hasn't changed the minds of the police.

I'm not so sure that the NFL having seen the tape would have changed anything. Now, because of the media storm from the tape, the NFL and the Ravens have had to act to protect their reputations, and they acted immediately. In the meantime, Ray Rice has not played any game since the incident occurred.

Goodell is smart. He has done a very good job with the NFL. He is completely supported by the owners. I suppose something could happen, but I don't see Goodell resigning or losing his job. I'm guessing that the independent investigation will not cause Goodell to lose his job. It will probably support all or most of what he has said.
 
I wanna hear the response to this video by the same people who are hating on Rice...


P.S. This video makes me laugh so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaEKCnsbOI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
This is about the change of our culture. "the total way of life unique to a people". More importantly, the change of that culture at break neck speed. For those of you that can't comprehend the influence of video, think Rodney King. It changes EVERYTHING! Think O.J... NO video. Think of an institution so powerful..(N.F.L.) it is most likely only surpassed by the U.S. gov't and the I.R.S. It's about a white commish who has taken it upon himself to "personally" dish out the punishment to a league comprised of mostly black athletes. Even Sean Payton felt the wrath of the perceived dictatorship and he is white. The punishment, at times has had GIANT gaps in uniformity. Marijuana, being legalized state by state meant a 12 month suspension for a player in Ohio recently. It's about turning a blind eye on a crime that was once perceived as "tolerable" behind closed doors. If the billionaires who own the 32 teams want to keep the cash rolling in at record levels, they will be forced to let the face of their league go. The Ray Rice drama took place in a "CASINO" in the state of "NEW JERSEY". Do you think a few roadblocks may have been erected here ? Or maybe protocol may have taken a back seat to amnesia...? NFL...POLICE...VIDEO...PROSECUTORS OFFICE... I think T.V. executives are foaming at the mouth... :egriz:
 
Eriul said:
I wanna hear the response to this video by the same people who are hating on Rice...


P.S. This video makes me laugh so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opaEKCnsbOI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nevermind. You're right. It happens all the time and Ray Rice did nothing wrong.
 
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