dear brock, jordan, jimmy, tru, dan, danny, chase colt, kroy

[garizzalies]

Goodell is fooked. I heard on SC last night that some feminist group is rallying behind the fact that the NFL had over 50 charges of domestic abuse against its players under his watch, or something like that....and apparently that is more than any other category of criminal charges, including drug-related charges. They were basically saying that although domestic abuse is the most prevalent, it got the least attention.

 

[GrizLA]

Nope. No way. I'm not piling on. I'm not being self-righteous. I'm not treating this as a political item. He crossed a line. A line that I was taught as a young man to never cross. Its the same line I've taught to my boys. Its really quite simple.

Glad you are man enough to teach your boys that real men don't hit women. Wish there were more fathers out there that do that.

I had three sisters who taught me that by the time I was 5.

 

[Grisly Fan]

...Yesterday John Abraham(Kroy's former teammate on the other side of the line) had to quit because of concussions and memory loss. This is kind of a big deal...but hardly anyone knows about it because we have this culture of trying to stand up for an issue that IS a problem but we all blow it WAY out of proportion.

You seem to suggest that someone being injured while on the job is somehow more important than domestic abuse. My father was killed on the job and that is tragic but in no way diminishes the plight of domestic abuse (which too often escalates into murder). We have a real-life, in-our-faces example and we are supposed to ignore or under-react because there are other more- or less-bad things happening in the world? That is a ridiculous assertion on its face.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You've never been the recepient of a left hook to the chin, have you? :shock: :?

No because I am not a shitty person and I don't spend time with shitty people. Kind of an easy formula to dodge that whole issue.

Kinda like rape, huh? Don't dress like a slut and you won't get raped? :roll: :roll:

Jesus, you'd never guess you were a female from this stance. :?

Rape is slightly different than domestic abuse... and by slightly I mean it's VERY different. Again, domestic abuse can be heavily dodged by watching your actions plus the people you hang out with.

OK, Dr. Phil. Thanks for your analysis. Unfortunately wife-beaters don't have it tattoo'ed on their foreheads.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Nope. No way. I'm not piling on. I'm not being self-righteous. I'm not treating this as a political item. He crossed a line. A line that I was taught as a young man to never cross. Its the same line I've taught to my boys. Its really quite simple.

Glad you are man enough to teach your boys that real men don't hit women. Wish there were more fathers out there that do that.

I had three sisters who taught me that by the time I was 5.

:lol: :lol: :thumb: :thumb:

I have SEVEN older sisters. I learned very early in life....do NOT fuck with a woman. :shock:

 

[GrizLA]

This domestic abuse thing is getting out of control. Obviously what he did wasn't right but what she did wasn't right either and no one f***[*] acknowledges that. We live in an age where "women are strong and independent" but we treat them like fragile porcelain dolls. Yesterday John Abraham(Kroy's former teammate on the other side of the line) had to quit because of concussions and memory loss. This is kind of a big deal...but hardly anyone knows about it because we have this culture of trying to stand up for an issue that IS a problem but we all blow it WAY out of proportion.

P.S. The breast cancer awareness is such a joke. We as a nation support that specific cause way more than we should when there are much more important causes to be supporting and causing awareness for.

I understand your sentiment, but it is not a matter of important causes, just too many. I, personally, think the pink thing is just another way to sell merchandise, just as the "white out" the 'maroon out" or any other colour combination. Another is the 'honor the military" day that speaks to our war without end society. How about honor a tax payer day, or simply return to the days of honoring the Griz....everyone is offended today by something..

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Let's not pretend this is a National Football League issue. The amount of misogyny on this site, along with all the snickers in response, demonstrate pretty clearly that there's a whole lot of work to do. If you don't believe it, then make me a sandwich.

 

[Eriul]

...Yesterday John Abraham(Kroy's former teammate on the other side of the line) had to quit because of concussions and memory loss. This is kind of a big deal...but hardly anyone knows about it because we have this culture of trying to stand up for an issue that IS a problem but we all blow it WAY out of proportion.

You seem to suggest that someone being injured while on the job is somehow more important than domestic abuse. My father was killed on the job and that is tragic but in no way diminishes the plight of domestic abuse (which too often escalates into murder). We have a real-life, in-our-faces example and we are supposed to ignore or under-react because there are other more- or less-bad things happening in the world? That is a ridiculous assertion on its face.

Are you suggesting that a woman getting hit once 5 months a go is more important than a man losing his memories and is in all likelihood going to have severe medical problems for the rest of his life?

Yes, you are correct that no issue is "more important" than another one. But seriously...the whole world is up in arms about this when we have Michael Vick still in the league, Ray Lewis getting statues in Baltimore, etc.

 

[Eriul]

No because I am not a shitty person and I don't spend time with shitty people. Kind of an easy formula to dodge that whole issue.

Kinda like rape, huh? Don't dress like a slut and you won't get raped? :roll: :roll:

Jesus, you'd never guess you were a female from this stance. :?

Rape is slightly different than domestic abuse... and by slightly I mean it's VERY different. Again, domestic abuse can be heavily dodged by watching your actions plus the people you hang out with.

OK, Dr. Phil. Thanks for your analysis. Unfortunately wife-beaters don't have it tattoo'ed on their foreheads.

Obviously, but seriously... it's fairly easy to tell early on. But you are right. You obviously know more about how to dodge being raped and abused physically than I do. I concede to your superior intelligence...

 

[AZGrizFan]

Kinda like rape, huh? Don't dress like a slut and you won't get raped? :roll: :roll:

Jesus, you'd never guess you were a female from this stance. :?

Rape is slightly different than domestic abuse... and by slightly I mean it's VERY different. Again, domestic abuse can be heavily dodged by watching your actions plus the people you hang out with.

OK, Dr. Phil. Thanks for your analysis. Unfortunately wife-beaters don't have it tattoo'ed on their foreheads.

I concede to your superior intelligence...

As well you should... :thumb: :thumb:

 

[rimrockgriz]

One thing you can count on for sure ?? Roger Goodell is G...O...N...E... :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope. No way. I'm not piling on. I'm not being self-righteous. I'm not treating this as a political item. He crossed a line. A line that I was taught as a young man to never cross. Its the same line I've taught to my boys. Its really quite simple.

Everybody knows he crossed a line. So what? He's disqualified from playing in the NFL. He isn't even going to have a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated like any other first-time offender. His fiance still married him and is still with him.

 

[PlayerRep]

What Rice did was horrible and inexcusable, and looks even worse on the new video. However, what should his punishment be, especially given what he got from the legal system, which was:

"Atlantic County Prosecutor James McClain agreed in May to let Rice enter the Pre-Trial Intervention program, a rehabilitation alternative to prosecution. If Rice completes an anger-management program and complies with other terms, the charges will be dropped and he won’t have a record of conviction."

“Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances,” Jay McKeen, a spokesman for McClain, said yesterday in an e-mail. “The decision was correct.”

He lost his lucrative contract with the Ravens ($4 million this season). He is suspended from the NFL. I can't imagine that he'd be allowed to come back in the next year or two, and I suppose it could be longer or even forever. Yes, a horrible act, and caught on video. However, he is not even going to end up with a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated just like any other first-time offender. The police had viewed the tape from inside the elevator.

So the guy should be banned for life, for one huge mistake, which won't even end up as a criminal charge on his record? He won't be allowed to earn a living through what may be only good way of earning a living that he has? Even if he gets back to the NFL, he won't be a good candidate for endorsements or commercials.

What about his wife? She has stayed with him the whole time. She said he was also at fault. She didn't need or seek medical attention that night. She married him after the incident. Does she not have a say in any of this? She is surely hurting now about as much as he is.

And Goodell, who has been praised for cleaning up the image of the NFL and getting much tougher. He makes a mistake, and now he should be fired? The owners like him. He's done a very good job up until this point.

Some of you, as well as the rest of the country, need to get some perspective. Nobody supports or condones domestic violence, but, really, what should the consequences be? One horrible and publicized incident of domestic violence, and the offender (and any supervisor who doesn't crucify him) should be fired and banned for life from their profession? A professor or teacher or businessman or lawyer in the same situation, and they should be fired and have to start a new profession? Come on.

Talk about piling on, and being self-righteous. And those who treat domestic violence as a political item, are certainly speaking up, adding fuel to the fire, and taking advantage of the situation.

Even the 2 commentators, who jokingly said something, are taking heat. They said, jokingly, that the moral of the story was to take the stairs. Not appropriate, especially for the first day the video was released, but the comment make me chuckle.

to say goodell "made a mistake" is like saying ray rice did something that "wasn't polite." stop the euphamisms. cut the crap. check your moral compass, greenie. you glibly say you "don't support or condone domestic violence," but if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. would you have been chuckling if that had been your daughter?

Man, you really are from another era, and another planet. People make mistakes all the time. Put it in perspective. You're so grumpy that you've lost your sense of humor.

 

[PlayerRep]

What about his wife? She has stayed with him the whole time. She said he was also at fault. She didn't need or seek medical attention that night. She married him after the incident. Does she not have a say in any of this? She is surely hurting now about as much as he is.

I think it that pretty clearly she has to be very desperate for money or have very low self-esteem. If the guy isn't a millionaire and she chooses to stick with him then one could reasonably conclude the latter. Either way you seem to be suggesting that we all should enable her behavior by not messing with her meal ticket. Wrong. His behavior was unacceptable and needs to be punished. He is a public figure, making money from his public performances and so is subject to public opinion. Clearly the public has given him the giant middle finger. Buh-bye.

You should look at the interviews with some of her friends and people who know her. Are you the type of person that thinks the government should remove her from the relationship?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

One thing you count on for sure ?? Roger Goodell is G...O...N...E... :egriz:

This probably should happen but I'll believe it when I see it. The NFL's failure to confront and be truthful on things like concussions and domestic violence is hurting the league's image right now. Goodell's "cover ass mode" is really disheartening to see. He really does remind me of the tobacco executives from years ago. It's not good when reporters compare you to Nixon by asking " what did you know Mr.Goodell and when did you know it"?

 

[PlayerRep]

A professor or teacher or businessman or lawyer in the same situation, and they should be fired and have to start a new profession?

Yes. Unequivocally yes.

Ignore for a moment (if that's even possible considering how disgusting and reprehensible his actions were) the abuse. If you cause irreparable harm to your company's/college's/school's/firm's reputation you should be fired. And that's what this loser did (as well as physically assault a women, of course). For anyone to have one ounce of compassion for him turns my stomach.

Anyone who can't put the situation in perspective is totally offbase, in my view.

 

[PlayerRep]

Let's not pretend this is a National Football League issue. The amount of misogyny on this site, along with all the snickers in response, demonstrate pretty clearly that there's a whole lot of work to do. If you don't believe it, then make me a sandwich.

Yes, anyone who crosses the line and makes sexist comment should be banned for life from the board, be fined 100% of his income for the foreseeable future, and ridculed. Same for anyone who supported the abuser.

 

[PlayerRep]

...Yesterday John Abraham(Kroy's former teammate on the other side of the line) had to quit because of concussions and memory loss. This is kind of a big deal...but hardly anyone knows about it because we have this culture of trying to stand up for an issue that IS a problem but we all blow it WAY out of proportion.

You seem to suggest that someone being injured while on the job is somehow more important than domestic abuse. My father was killed on the job and that is tragic but in no way diminishes the plight of domestic abuse (which too often escalates into murder). We have a real-life, in-our-faces example and we are supposed to ignore or under-react because there are other more- or less-bad things happening in the world? That is a ridiculous assertion on its face.

Are you suggesting that a woman getting hit once 5 months a go is more important than a man losing his memories and is in all likelihood going to have severe medical problems for the rest of his life?

Yes, you are correct that no issue is "more important" than another one. But seriously...the whole world is up in arms about this when we have Michael Vick still in the league, Ray Lewis getting statues in Baltimore, etc.

Keep on posting. Try to give these jokers some perspective.

 

[NorthEndZoneDan]

Nope. No way. I'm not piling on. I'm not being self-righteous. I'm not treating this as a political item. He crossed a line. A line that I was taught as a young man to never cross. Its the same line I've taught to my boys. Its really quite simple.

Everybody knows he crossed a line. So what? He's disqualified from playing in the NFL. He isn't even going to have a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated like any other first-time offender. His fiance still married him and is still with him.

The fact that the fiance married him and is still with him is not surprising and is a non-starter. People who know about domestic abuse say it happens all the time, I'm not saying its right or wrong or proves one side or another, only that the fact she is still there could mean something and it could mean nothing. This is an instance where what the law says about domestic abuse and how society views domestic abuse are two very very different matters. Societal views on domestic abuse have changed dramatically, I'm not saying its for better or for worse. What I am saying is that what the law says about domestic abuse and how the law treats abusive spouses and what society thinks domestic abuse and what should happen to abusive spouses are two different things.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope. No way. I'm not piling on. I'm not being self-righteous. I'm not treating this as a political item. He crossed a line. A line that I was taught as a young man to never cross. Its the same line I've taught to my boys. Its really quite simple.

Everybody knows he crossed a line. So what? He's disqualified from playing in the NFL. He isn't even going to have a criminal charge on his record. The Atlanta police say he was treated like any other first-time offender. His fiance still married him and is still with him.

The fact that the fiance married him and is still with him is not surprising and is a non-starter. People who know about domestic abuse say it happens all the time, I'm not saying its right or wrong or proves one side or another, only that the fact she is still there could mean something and it could mean nothing. This is an instance where what the law says about domestic abuse and how society views domestic abuse are two very very different matters. Societal views on domestic abuse have changed dramatically, I'm not saying its for better or for worse. What I am saying is that what the law says about domestic abuse and how the law treats abusive spouses and what society thinks domestic abuse and what should happen to abusive spouses are two different things.

Yes, I understand that and probably agree with most of it. But so what? Everyone is against domestic abuse and thinks Rice was way over the line. So now what do you think should be done? Behead him? I know we're not in northern Iraq, but over there, ISIS would give him a promotion.