Crapping on our Safties!

[Thurman Murman]

Dear thurman murman:
All I want for Christmas is a safety who can make the play when he is IN position. :roll: This does NOT have a f.....g thing to do with cover 2, 3, 4, or the dreaded... MAN UNDER. I don't care what the coverage is or where our db's are lined up at the snap of the ball...My point has ALWAYS been with ball skills when the football is airborne. uke: You can look that up also...but it would be a waste of your sanguine surveillance seconds... Your long, boring post did not deal with the problem...ATHLETICISM. The thresh hold for pr.....g up again like this is miniscule...trust me. I haven't seen Whited play, but I can assure you if he's all that, he'll be getting his shot. :egriz:

You know your are right. I bet the coaches, you know the ones that get paid to do this, would love to have you in for the day to evaluate the safeties and tell them which ones should be playing. I am sure they would love to have you show them all the other players that are better than the starters since they just can't figure it out.

One thing you are failing to understand. The coaches want the best players playing. Why wouldn't they? To them, this is a business and if they don't perform they can be fired. So I think it is safe to say they will play the best players. And wouldn't you know it last year that was tully and hermy by a long shot. I know that is so hard for you to believe because it is oh so easy to sit back on egriz and say so and so is better or maybe so and so should move to safety because they would be the best safety since timmy. Guess what, you are wrong. And if you think you are more qualified than those making the decision then perhaps you should get your resume to the head coach or AD.

Hermy has shown his athletic/playmaking ability his first year. What changed? Well I think the simplest explanation would be his injuries, no shut down corner, a new coach, and the loss of most of the starters around him. That being said, the purpose of my post was not to talk the safeties up, but rather to put the true situation in perspective for those with less football knowledge. The lack of knowledge on how a division one secondary operates was simply too astonishing to not be addressed.

As to whitted. Time will tell. So far he has done nothing to show that he will be great. He does show potential and I hope he competes and pushes the current starters. And guess what? I bet the coaches hope so too. And if he does show he is the best I can guarantee he will start and the egriz armchair coaches will finally have a theory that worked out. But of course if he doesn't start it is a conspiracy to keep the two starters in place or the coaches got it wrong and should be replaced by a candidate voted on by egrizers.

Thurman:

I agree with some of your points. I disagree with some of your points. I agree with Rimrock too. I think it is the " I want to clarify something for the less knowledgable football fans" attitude that some of the "pro starting safeties crowd " displays that bothers some posters. That kind of football snobbery is a little "childish" don't you think? Here are some thoughts concerning what you posted on this subject-

* yes a better offense in 2013 will help the overall defense. It won't help the safeties be better players but it will help the team win even if the safeties have another poor year.

*yes lack of safety depth killed the Griz last year. They had two season ending injuries(Lebsock, Coogan) during early September. That limited the options in dealing with Hermy/Tully.

*yes the safeties coach, Leon, was too old and ineffective. But he was Delaney's age so what does that say?

*Coach Pflugrad knew we had trouble at the safety position after the 2011 season. He brought in a JC transfer. That is a clear indicator of his thoughts.

*Hermanson had trouble before any injury issues supposedly came up. He looked bad in the SHSU semi final game in 2011,the South Dakota game and the App State game. Just look at the tape. He is not great in "space" and he has trouble against the more athletic players.

*Tully just can 't tackle very well and he is out of position a lot.

*yes coaches want to put the best talent on the field but some just can't evaluate talent and make mistakes. That has been happening since the beginning of coaching. There are just too many examples of big historical mistakes to mention.

*the Griz will be a much better team in 2013. This safety issue will play its self out which great. E-Griz needs to move on from this "dead horse" issue soon.

Well I was going to craft a nice respectful, educational, and sincere reply to your post CV, but since you are determined I am PR and he already did so I wont. I will make a couple quick points. Sure some may be upset that I boldly state they have less football knowledge. But anyone with real football knowledge would say the same thing. The level of misinformation regarding the safeties and even on egriz as a whole is astonishing. Just so you egriz experts know, the current players regulars get together and look at these boards as entertainment. They think some of the egriz coaching strategies, conspiracy theories, and evaluations are nothing but comical.

Also, we all know you hate Delaney, tully, and hermy. That does not mean you have to attack and accuse others who disagree with you as being the same person. Perhaps you and ursa are the same person since you obviously agree on this issue. That sounds like a great explanation.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Or how about you search all of my posts and see for yourself that there is no pattern behind them in supporting one topic, player, or other poster?

Well, Thurman, there is the way you spelled the word "solely."

I've compiled a list of all the posters who've spelled it "soley." It's a long list. And the only conclusion I can draw is that you're also Wahlberg. :lol:

 

[grizindabox]

Found a photo of Thurman


** Mod Edit ** Image deleted, do it again and you'll never see the eGriz forum again.

Thurman Murman
A legend before his time.

 

[grizcountry420]

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Dear thurman murman:
All I want for Christmas is a safety who can make the play when he is IN position. :roll: This does NOT have a f.....g thing to do with cover 2, 3, 4, or the dreaded... MAN UNDER. I don't care what the coverage is or where our db's are lined up at the snap of the ball...My point has ALWAYS been with ball skills when the football is airborne. uke: You can look that up also...but it would be a waste of your sanguine surveillance seconds... Your long, boring post did not deal with the problem...ATHLETICISM. The thresh hold for pr.....g up again like this is miniscule...trust me. I haven't seen Whited play, but I can assure you if he's all that, he'll be getting his shot. :egriz:

You know your are right. I bet the coaches, you know the ones that get paid to do this, would love to have you in for the day to evaluate the safeties and tell them which ones should be playing. I am sure they would love to have you show them all the other players that are better than the starters since they just can't figure it out.

One thing you are failing to understand. The coaches want the best players playing. Why wouldn't they? To them, this is a business and if they don't perform they can be fired. So I think it is safe to say they will play the best players. And wouldn't you know it last year that was tully and hermy by a long shot. I know that is so hard for you to believe because it is oh so easy to sit back on egriz and say so and so is better or maybe so and so should move to safety because they would be the best safety since timmy. Guess what, you are wrong. And if you think you are more qualified than those making the decision then perhaps you should get your resume to the head coach or AD.

Hermy has shown his athletic/playmaking ability his first year. What changed? Well I think the simplest explanation would be his injuries, no shut down corner, a new coach, and the loss of most of the starters around him. That being said, the purpose of my post was not to talk the safeties up, but rather to put the true situation in perspective for those with less football knowledge. The lack of knowledge on how a division one secondary operates was simply too astonishing to not be addressed.

As to whitted. Time will tell. So far he has done nothing to show that he will be great. He does show potential and I hope he competes and pushes the current starters. And guess what? I bet the coaches hope so too. And if he does show he is the best I can guarantee he will start and the egriz armchair coaches will finally have a theory that worked out. But of course if he doesn't start it is a conspiracy to keep the two starters in place or the coaches got it wrong and should be replaced by a candidate voted on by egrizers.

Thurman:

I agree with some of your points. I disagree with some of your points. I agree with Rimrock too. I think it is the " I want to clarify something for the less knowledgable football fans" attitude that some of the "pro starting safeties crowd " displays that bothers some posters. That kind of football snobbery is a little "childish" don't you think? Here are some thoughts concerning what you posted on this subject-

* yes a better offense in 2013 will help the overall defense. It won't help the safeties be better players but it will help the team win even if the safeties have another poor year.

*yes lack of safety depth killed the Griz last year. They had two season ending injuries(Lebsock, Coogan) during early September. That limited the options in dealing with Hermy/Tully.

*yes the safeties coach, Leon, was too old and ineffective. But he was Delaney's age so what does that say?

*Coach Pflugrad knew we had trouble at the safety position after the 2011 season. He brought in a JC transfer. That is a clear indicator of his thoughts.

*Hermanson had trouble before any injury issues supposedly came up. He looked bad in the SHSU semi final game in 2011,the South Dakota game and the App State game. Just look at the tape. He is not great in "space" and he has trouble against the more athletic players.

*Tully just can 't tackle very well and he is out of position a lot.

*yes coaches want to put the best talent on the field but some just can't evaluate talent and make mistakes. That has been happening since the beginning of coaching. There are just too many examples of big historical mistakes to mention.

*the Griz will be a much better team in 2013. This safety issue will play its self out which great. E-Griz needs to move on from this "dead horse" issue soon.

Well I was going to craft a nice respectful, educational, and sincere reply to your post CV, but since you are determined I am PR and he already did so I wont. I will make a couple quick points. Sure some may be upset that I boldly state they have less football knowledge. But anyone with real football knowledge would say the same thing. The level of misinformation regarding the safeties and even on egriz as a whole is astonishing. Just so you egriz experts know, the current players regulars get together and look at these boards as entertainment. They think some of the egriz coaching strategies, conspiracy theories, and evaluations are nothing but comical.

Also, we all know you hate Delaney, tully, and hermy. That does not mean you have to attack and accuse others who disagree with you as being the same person. Perhaps you and ursa are the same person since you obviously agree on this issue. That sounds like a great explanation.

First of all Ethel, nothing posted on E-Griz is about hate or misinformation. It's about fan opinions, entertainment and fan discussions about Griz sports. The only problem is that "fans" like you and PR take yourselves way too seriously. For what ever reason you two think you are "more knowledgeable fans" then the rest on this board. If someone says that they are more knowledgable than another poster on an anonymous board, then they probably are less knowledgable IMO. E-Griz is an FCS Football fan site for God's sake.It is not some kind of "coaches corner". I mean what is a "knowledgable" fan anyway? A high school football coach, the big burly season ticket holder with a 43" waste and a under sized Griz sweatshirt kickin' it at a tailgate party or a guy that played football in DII somewhere over 45 years ago? Since I don't see Jimmy Johnson, Howie or Terry Bradshaw expressing their views on E-Griz anytime soon, I'd say that all of us are pretty much on the same "low" level as knowledgable fans. You and PR need to "get over" yourselves and relax. Life is too short. By the way, if the Griz players are wasting any time on E-Griz and carrying what's said on this board, then that's a whole other issue.

 

[Grizbeer]

Found a photo of Thurman

 

[HighLineGRIZ]

First of all I'd like to say that I hope Thurman keeps posting. He has posted good information and it is appreciated. I don't always agree with PR, but often do agree with him when it comes to football related topics and I appreciate his insights. Most of the rest of the posters here have also been good contributors in past forums. Just to bad that a football related topic turns into a personal attack-fest that will likely be locked up...

I'll make one point before this thread does get locked. You also have to remember that Hermey was an injuredtrue sophomore lat year at one of the most difficult positions on the defensive side of the ball. Coach's kid or not, the transition from HS ball to college ball is very steep at that position. He benefited from dominant corners his freshman year along with being healthy. I expect a strong year out of him this year if he stays healthy and not have to defend 40+ pass plays per game...

 

[mcg]

I've never played or coached football, but it was apparent to me as a fan that in 2012 opposing teams clearly wanted to attack the Griz secondary. Sometimes the secondary played well, other times not so much. To some extent I think it was sort of process of elimination for opponents, they detemined that the defensive line and linebackers were quite good and elected to attack the secondary.

I think that the first step to fixing any problem is understanding that it exists, I hope the coaching staff has figured out that the Griz need much better play in the defensive backfield.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I've never played or coached football, but it was apparent to me as a fan that in 2012 opposing teams clearly wanted to attack the Griz secondary. Sometimes the secondary played well, other times not so much. To some extent I think it was sort of process of elimination for opponents, they detemined that the defensive line and linebackers were quite good and elected to attack the secondary.

I think that the first step to fixing any problem is understanding that it exists, I hope the coaching staff has figured out that the Griz need much better play in the defensive backfield.

Logic and common sense are not allowed here. :thumb: :clap:

 

[Thurman Murman]

Found a photo of Thurman




I'm 26 years old so I hope I don't look like that for awhile.

 

[mtgrizrule]

Found a photo of Thurman




I'm 26 years old so I hope I don't look like that for awhile.

Son or nephew? :thumb:

 

[Thurman Murman]

Found a photo of Thurman


I'm 26 years old so I hope I don't look like that for awhile.

Son or nephew? :thumb:

Neither. What is this new thing if of accusing two posters of being the same person? Is it simply because pr is so hated? Or is it that just so few people here get good info that those who do must be the same person? Just curious because I don't spend much time on egriz.

By the way, are you pro 5 yet?

 

[mtgrizrule]

Found a photo of Thurman



I'm 26 years old so I hope I don't look like that for awhile.

Son or nephew? :thumb:

Neither. What is this new thing if of accusing two posters of being the same person? Is it simply because pr is so hated? Or is it that just so few people here get good info that those who do must be the same person? Just curious because I don't spend much time on egriz.

By the way, are you pro 5 yet?

I admit a few of PR's posts have got a few rants from me. Overall, he brings a lot good information to the board. I have no problems with him any longer. I am sure at sometime, we will not see eye to eye on something, but everyone agreeing on anything makes for a lot of boredom. :thumb:

 

[griz4life]

I think Thurman has good info. That little rant he did in one of his first posts about Royce Engstrom wanting to cancel football in spring 2012? That's totally true. He nailed it. That's how f**ked up UM's administration was and quite frankly still is.

 

[Thurman Murman]

I think Thurman has good info. That little rant he did in one of his first posts about Royce Engstrom wanting to cancel football in spring 2012? That's totally true. He nailed it. That's how f**ked up UM's administration was and quite frankly still is.

Yeah that was true indeed. I have a couple more shockers than Engstrom wanted as well, but that is for another day.

 

[Thurman Murman]

You know your are right. I bet the coaches, you know the ones that get paid to do this, would love to have you in for the day to evaluate the safeties and tell them which ones should be playing. I am sure they would love to have you show them all the other players that are better than the starters since they just can't figure it out.

One thing you are failing to understand. The coaches want the best players playing. Why wouldn't they? To them, this is a business and if they don't perform they can be fired. So I think it is safe to say they will play the best players. And wouldn't you know it last year that was tully and hermy by a long shot. I know that is so hard for you to believe because it is oh so easy to sit back on egriz and say so and so is better or maybe so and so should move to safety because they would be the best safety since timmy. Guess what, you are wrong. And if you think you are more qualified than those making the decision then perhaps you should get your resume to the head coach or AD.

Hermy has shown his athletic/playmaking ability his first year. What changed? Well I think the simplest explanation would be his injuries, no shut down corner, a new coach, and the loss of most of the starters around him. That being said, the purpose of my post was not to talk the safeties up, but rather to put the true situation in perspective for those with less football knowledge. The lack of knowledge on how a division one secondary operates was simply too astonishing to not be addressed.

As to whitted. Time will tell. So far he has done nothing to show that he will be great. He does show potential and I hope he competes and pushes the current starters. And guess what? I bet the coaches hope so too. And if he does show he is the best I can guarantee he will start and the egriz armchair coaches will finally have a theory that worked out. But of course if he doesn't start it is a conspiracy to keep the two starters in place or the coaches got it wrong and should be replaced by a candidate voted on by egrizers.

Thurman:

I agree with some of your points. I disagree with some of your points. I agree with Rimrock too. I think it is the " I want to clarify something for the less knowledgable football fans" attitude that some of the "pro starting safeties crowd " displays that bothers some posters. That kind of football snobbery is a little "childish" don't you think? Here are some thoughts concerning what you posted on this subject-

* yes a better offense in 2013 will help the overall defense. It won't help the safeties be better players but it will help the team win even if the safeties have another poor year.

*yes lack of safety depth killed the Griz last year. They had two season ending injuries(Lebsock, Coogan) during early September. That limited the options in dealing with Hermy/Tully.

*yes the safeties coach, Leon, was too old and ineffective. But he was Delaney's age so what does that say?

*Coach Pflugrad knew we had trouble at the safety position after the 2011 season. He brought in a JC transfer. That is a clear indicator of his thoughts.

*Hermanson had trouble before any injury issues supposedly came up. He looked bad in the SHSU semi final game in 2011,the South Dakota game and the App State game. Just look at the tape. He is not great in "space" and he has trouble against the more athletic players.

*Tully just can 't tackle very well and he is out of position a lot.

*yes coaches want to put the best talent on the field but some just can't evaluate talent and make mistakes. That has been happening since the beginning of coaching. There are just too many examples of big historical mistakes to mention.

*the Griz will be a much better team in 2013. This safety issue will play its self out which great. E-Griz needs to move on from this "dead horse" issue soon.

Well I was going to craft a nice respectful, educational, and sincere reply to your post CV, but since you are determined I am PR and he already did so I wont. I will make a couple quick points. Sure some may be upset that I boldly state they have less football knowledge. But anyone with real football knowledge would say the same thing. The level of misinformation regarding the safeties and even on egriz as a whole is astonishing. Just so you egriz experts know, the current players regulars get together and look at these boards as entertainment. They think some of the egriz coaching strategies, conspiracy theories, and evaluations are nothing but comical.

Also, we all know you hate Delaney, tully, and hermy. That does not mean you have to attack and accuse others who disagree with you as being the same person. Perhaps you and ursa are the same person since you obviously agree on this issue. That sounds like a great explanation.

First of all Ethel, nothing posted on E-Griz is about hate or misinformation. It's about fan opinions, entertainment and fan discussions about Griz sports. The only problem is that "fans" like you and PR take yourselves way too seriously. For what ever reason you two think you are "more knowledgeable fans" then the rest on this board. If someone says that they are more knowledgable than another poster on an anonymous board, then they probably are less knowledgable IMO. E-Griz is an FCS Football fan site for God's sake.It is not some kind of "coaches corner". I mean what is a "knowledgable" fan anyway? A high school football coach, the big burly season ticket holder with a 43" waste and a under sized Griz sweatshirt kickin' it at a tailgate party or a guy that played football in DII somewhere over 45 years ago? Since I don't see Jimmy Johnson, Howie or Terry Bradshaw expressing their views on E-Griz anytime soon, I'd say that all of us are pretty much on the same "low" level as knowledgable fans. You and PR need to "get over" yourselves and relax. Life is too short. By the way, if the Griz players are wasting any time on E-Griz and carrying what's said on this board, then that's a whole other issue.

Ok I'll give you that it is about fans opinions. However, these opinions are often based on misinformation or misunderstanding of the game. As far as you question to what makes someone knowledgeable; To be truly knowledgeable of this game I think it is important to have played and or coached at this level or higher. If not, you are GENERALY not going to understand the finer details of the game. Now, this is an anonymous message board and I realize that does not lend well to credentials. I think that is the fun part, and as far as I am concerned unless someone is offering me a job they don't need mine or anyone else's credentials. With that being said, it is easy to tell who knows what they are talking about and who thinks they are but in reality is only the fan you described above.

By the way, check your Pm's.

 

[griz4life]

I think Thurman has good info. That little rant he did in one of his first posts about Royce Engstrom wanting to cancel football in spring 2012? That's totally true. He nailed it. That's how f**ked up UM's administration was and quite frankly still is.

Yeah that was true indeed. I have a couple more shockers than Engstrom wanted as well, but that is for another day.

I'm pretty sure I know where you're going. I thought about bringing some of this up but thought it sounded so absurd no one would believe it. Not to mention there are a couple big defenders of Royce Engstrom on this board and I really don't get off on egriz drama.

 

[PlayerRep]

Thurman is the best football poster on the board. He understands the game and has great information. PR is also a very good poster. He too understands the game and has reasonably good information. He also makes good posts on things other than football.

 

[Ursa Major]

Hmm...

 

[Ursa Major]

Thurman is the best football poster on the board. He understands the game and has great information. PR is also a very good poster. He too understands the game and has reasonably good information. He also makes good posts on things other than football.

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