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This thread is frickin' brilliant. We now know that if someone does not know the Griz terminology for defensive alignment, there is no possible way they could know anything about football. And if using google was a crime PR, you would be on the most wanted list. So you harassing people for "maybe" using google is priceless. By the way, what student-athletes and coeds have you invited to the lake over the 4th for Grape Soda and burgers?
 
PlayerRep said:
grizcountry420 said:
PlayerRep said:
Okay, what's cover 4? CV? Zirge? Don't think you can find UM's version of cover 4 on the internet.

The only thing prevent coverage does is it prevents you from winning the game.

What does your comment have to do with cover 4?

I guess the GRIZ disguised Cover 4 and prevent with cover 2 and 3 looks. It surely prevented us from winning more games, and allowed many teams to pass all game on us. :thumb: :lol:

To me our pass defense sucked this much last year(By the way, I am talking about the results jokingly, not what defense or scheme they were really supposed to be in).

How many post game comments from opposing coaches hinted or stated "We took what we knew they would give us", or something similar to that? Last year's pass defense was way too simple for opponents to scout, prepare, and execute against. Those things are not a good sign either.
 
poorgriz said:
Ha ha... PR was an incredible DB back in the day. Heck, he still is! LOl!
He can still cover an anal polyp in 2 shakes of a lambs tail

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Ok I usually take summers off because it just gets too damn hot in my surveillance van. However, I have to chime in on this one because I see too many uniformed opinions. Did our safeties play well last year? Nope. That being said, they did not play as bad as many here think. Although he is not completely correct on all issues, PR does have this one figured out more than most of you.

Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.


-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.


Things that will be changed and I think will help turn around safety play next year.

-A DC and a complete secondary with another year of experience under their belt.
-JJ IS BACK. This one is more important than many people realize. The best defense is a good offense. Simply put, the O did not do a good enough job of putting long drives together and keeping the D off the field. I joke that nobody is more happy to have JJ back than coach G.
-We will be playing more “press” coverage with our corners this year. This was evident in the spring and should make you “corners are 10 yards deep every play” guys happy.
-A young and knowledgeable safety coach who will demand the most from his players.
-look for a more aggressive year on D. More pressures with a man free type coverage. This requires both a D front who can get home and a D secondary who can cover. Coach G feels like this is going to be the case this year and I would not be surprised to see it result in more aggressive play calling.

Now to address some completely inaccurate statements. The corners did not line up 10 yards deep every play. Sometimes they did. Coaches had issues getting the young corners who lacked confidence to scoot up, but it was definitely not every play. For those who think we only played cover 2 or 3 last year. I suggest you watch some game film. Well over 1/3 of the D plays called were man or zone pressures. In fact, it was most often aggressive pressure calls that relied too heavily on our DB’s that led to big plays. Also, those claiming it was easy to tell that we were in cover 2 or 3 obviously have only limited high school football knowledge. Little to no division one college football teams run basic cover 2 or 3. The griz certainly do not. There may be a base 2 or 3 initial call (it is usually 4 or simply zone for the griz), but the field is then broken in half and a combination of the initial call and the offensive formation dictate what coverage is played to that side (very often the D may be running say cover 2 on one half of the field and say cover 3 on the other). If you want to see evidence of this just watch the safety/corner/linebacker on one side of the field communicate through hand signals what the coverage is as the O comes to the line.

As painful as it is to some of you, PR is actually pretty correct on this one. Secondary play at this level is not as simple as you think. It was comical to get on this board during/after the game and listen to many posters call a certain player out for a long pass completion simply because they were close to the play. When in fact, a completely different player was responsible for the mistake. I imagine that 95% of posters on this board would be completely lost in a D meeting discussing secondary scheme. The posters claiming it is simply basic cover 2, 3, or man are a perfect example. This simply is not the case. Lastly, for those who though the solution was to play different players you were also misinformed. There simply was not anyone who was better than the starters (I know it is hard to believe for some of you, but it was the case).

Whew. I wish I could have said all that in less words. But it simply is not cut and dry like so many of you think, so I felt it deserved a detailed explanation. Safety play WAS NOT good enough last year, but it was also not as bad as some though (it was often a combination of factors listed above in addition to the actual play of the safeties). I look for there to be some good improvement this year.
 
Thurman Murman said:
Ok I usually take summers off because it just gets too damn hot in my surveillance van. However, I have to chime in on this one because I see too many uniformed opinions. Did our safeties play well last year? Nope. That being said, they did not play as bad as many here think. Although he is not completely correct on all issues, PR does have this one figured out more than most of you.

Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.


-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.


Things that will be changed and I think will help turn around safety play next year.

-A DC and a complete secondary with another year of experience under their belt.
-JJ IS BACK. This one is more important than many people realize. The best defense is a good offense. Simply put, the O did not do a good enough job of putting long drives together and keeping the D off the field. I joke that nobody is more happy to have JJ back than coach G.
-We will be playing more “press” coverage with our corners this year. This was evident in the spring and should make you “corners are 10 yards deep every play” guys happy.
-A young and knowledgeable safety coach who will demand the most from his players.
-look for a more aggressive year on D. More pressures with a man free type coverage. This requires both a D front who can get home and a D secondary who can cover. Coach G feels like this is going to be the case this year and I would not be surprised to see it result in more aggressive play calling.

Now to address some completely inaccurate statements. The corners did not line up 10 yards deep every play. Sometimes they did. Coaches had issues getting the young corners who lacked confidence to scoot up, but it was definitely not every play. For those who think we only played cover 2 or 3 last year. I suggest you watch some game film. Well over 1/3 of the D plays called were man or zone pressures. In fact, it was most often aggressive pressure calls that relied too heavily on our DB’s that led to big plays. Also, those claiming it was easy to tell that we were in cover 2 or 3 obviously have only limited high school football knowledge. Little to no division one college football teams run basic cover 2 or 3. The griz certainly do not. There may be a base 2 or 3 initial call (it is usually 4 or simply zone for the griz), but the field is then broken in half and a combination of the initial call and the offensive formation dictate what coverage is played to that side (very often the D may be running say cover 2 on one half of the field and say cover 3 on the other). If you want to see evidence of this just watch the safety/corner/linebacker on one side of the field communicate through hand signals what the coverage is as the O comes to the line.

As painful as it is to some of you, PR is actually pretty correct on this one. Secondary play at this level is not as simple as you think. It was comical to get on this board during/after the game and listen to many posters call a certain player out for a long pass completion simply because they were close to the play. When in fact, a completely different player was responsible for the mistake. I imagine that 95% of posters on this board would be completely lost in a D meeting discussing secondary scheme. The posters claiming it is simply basic cover 2, 3, or man are a perfect example. This simply is not the case. Lastly, for those who though the solution was to play different players you were also misinformed. There simply was not anyone who was better than the starters (I know it is hard to believe for some of you, but it was the case).

Whew. I wish I could have said all that in less words. But it simply is not cut and dry like so many of you think, so I felt it deserved a detailed explanation. Safety play WAS NOT good enough last year, but it was also not as bad as some though (it was often a combination of factors listed above in addition to the actual play of the safeties). I look for there to be some good improvement this year.

Good post. Couldn't have said it better myself. haha. Agree with everything you said, except for your comment that PR is not always right. Haha.
 
Thurman Murman said:
Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.

-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.

What about tackling? That wasnt very good either.. I do expect our secondary to improve tremendously after last year and you did have some good points to why we struggled last season. Can this season get here any quicker? Im looking forward to a successful year and a deep playoff run.
 
grizcountry420 said:
Thurman Murman said:
Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.

-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.

What about tackling? That wasnt very good either.. I do expect our secondary to improve tremendously after last year and you did have some good points to why we struggled last season. Can this season get here any quicker? Im looking forward to a successful year and a deep playoff run.

Yes, tackling from the DBs was not the best. I knew I was missing something on that list. Front 7 tackling was decent.
 
Concerning safety play for this coming season I can't tell you nuts how impressed I am /was with number
31 Whitted.

This young man will be the guy we all will be excited to watch. If the coach gets him in early you will get to watch one hell of a defensive back play lights out. Tough fast and smart.

Thurm adid Murman is right on about our DB play this coming year.

Only two months!
 
Bjorn Bjornstein said:
Does anyone believe that Thurman Murman isn't one of Playerrep's alter egos? Just wondering...

Nice try. Do a search of my posts and you will see that I do not comment or partake in the egriz vs pr debacle. I try to stick soley to reporting the facts. My record speaks for itself there. It just so happened that pr had the facts right on this one.
 
So what was the story behind Whitted, stepping away from football for a year? Did he just need to get grades up? Was the eligibility clock ticking while he was away or was he on some kind of greyshirt credit load so he wouldn't lose a season?
 
PlayerRep said:
Thurman Murman said:
Ok I usually take summers off because it just gets too damn hot in my surveillance van. However, I have to chime in on this one because I see too many uniformed opinions. Did our safeties play well last year? Nope. That being said, they did not play as bad as many here think. Although he is not completely correct on all issues, PR does have this one figured out more than most of you.

Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.


-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.


Things that will be changed and I think will help turn around safety play next year.

-A DC and a complete secondary with another year of experience under their belt.
-JJ IS BACK. This one is more important than many people realize. The best defense is a good offense. Simply put, the O did not do a good enough job of putting long drives together and keeping the D off the field. I joke that nobody is more happy to have JJ back than coach G.
-We will be playing more “press” coverage with our corners this year. This was evident in the spring and should make you “corners are 10 yards deep every play” guys happy.
-A young and knowledgeable safety coach who will demand the most from his players.
-look for a more aggressive year on D. More pressures with a man free type coverage. This requires both a D front who can get home and a D secondary who can cover. Coach G feels like this is going to be the case this year and I would not be surprised to see it result in more aggressive play calling.

Now to address some completely inaccurate statements. The corners did not line up 10 yards deep every play. Sometimes they did. Coaches had issues getting the young corners who lacked confidence to scoot up, but it was definitely not every play. For those who think we only played cover 2 or 3 last year. I suggest you watch some game film. Well over 1/3 of the D plays called were man or zone pressures. In fact, it was most often aggressive pressure calls that relied too heavily on our DB’s that led to big plays. Also, those claiming it was easy to tell that we were in cover 2 or 3 obviously have only limited high school football knowledge. Little to no division one college football teams run basic cover 2 or 3. The griz certainly do not. There may be a base 2 or 3 initial call (it is usually 4 or simply zone for the griz), but the field is then broken in half and a combination of the initial call and the offensive formation dictate what coverage is played to that side (very often the D may be running say cover 2 on one half of the field and say cover 3 on the other). If you want to see evidence of this just watch the safety/corner/linebacker on one side of the field communicate through hand signals what the coverage is as the O comes to the line.

As painful as it is to some of you, PR is actually pretty correct on this one. Secondary play at this level is not as simple as you think. It was comical to get on this board during/after the game and listen to many posters call a certain player out for a long pass completion simply because they were close to the play. When in fact, a completely different player was responsible for the mistake. I imagine that 95% of posters on this board would be completely lost in a D meeting discussing secondary scheme. The posters claiming it is simply basic cover 2, 3, or man are a perfect example. This simply is not the case. Lastly, for those who though the solution was to play different players you were also misinformed. There simply was not anyone who was better than the starters (I know it is hard to believe for some of you, but it was the case).

Whew. I wish I could have said all that in less words. But it simply is not cut and dry like so many of you think, so I felt it deserved a detailed explanation. Safety play WAS NOT good enough last year, but it was also not as bad as some though (it was often a combination of factors listed above in addition to the actual play of the safeties). I look for there to be some good improvement this year.

Good post. Couldn't have said it better myself. haha. Agree with everything you said, except for your comment that PR is not always right. Haha.

jeezus, greenie. i mean, gawd. really?
 
Dear thurman murman:
All I want for Christmas is a safety who can make the play when he is IN position. :roll: This does NOT have a f.....g thing to do with cover 2, 3, 4, or the dreaded... MAN UNDER. I don't care what the coverage is or where our db's are lined up at the snap of the ball...My point has ALWAYS been with ball skills when the football is airborne. :puke: You can look that up also...but it would be a waste of your sanguine surveillance seconds... Your long, boring post did not deal with the problem...ATHLETICISM. The thresh hold for pr.....g up again like this is miniscule...trust me. I haven't seen Whited play, but I can assure you if he's all that, he'll be getting his shot. :egriz:
 
rimrockgriz said:
Dear thurman murman:
All I want for Christmas is a safety who can make the play when he is IN position. :roll: This does NOT have a f.....g thing to do with cover 2, 3, 4, or the dreaded... MAN UNDER. I don't care what the coverage is or where our db's are lined up at the snap of the ball...My point has ALWAYS been with ball skills when the football is airborne. :puke: You can look that up also...but it would be a waste of your sanguine surveillance seconds... Your long, boring post did not deal with the problem...ATHLETICISM. The thresh hold for pr.....g up again like this is miniscule...trust me. I haven't seen Whited play, but I can assure you if he's all that, he'll be getting his shot. :egriz:

You know your are right. I bet the coaches, you know the ones that get paid to do this, would love to have you in for the day to evaluate the safeties and tell them which ones should be playing. I am sure they would love to have you show them all the other players that are better than the starters since they just can't figure it out.

One thing you are failing to understand. The coaches want the best players playing. Why wouldn't they? To them, this is a business and if they don't perform they can be fired. So I think it is safe to say they will play the best players. And wouldn't you know it last year that was tully and hermy by a long shot. I know that is so hard for you to believe because it is oh so easy to sit back on egriz and say so and so is better or maybe so and so should move to safety because they would be the best safety since timmy. Guess what, you are wrong. And if you think you are more qualified than those making the decision then perhaps you should get your resume to the head coach or AD.

Hermy has shown his athletic/playmaking ability his first year. What changed? Well I think the simplest explanation would be his injuries, no shut down corner, a new coach, and the loss of most of the starters around him. That being said, the purpose of my post was not to talk the safeties up, but rather to put the true situation in perspective for those with less football knowledge. The lack of knowledge on how a division one secondary operates was simply too astonishing to not be addressed.

As to whitted. Time will tell. So far he has done nothing to show that he will be great. He does show potential and I hope he competes and pushes the current starters. And guess what? I bet the coaches hope so too. And if he does show he is the best I can guarantee he will start and the egriz armchair coaches will finally have a theory that worked out. But of course if he doesn't start it is a conspiracy to keep the two starters in place or the coaches got it wrong and should be replaced by a candidate voted on by egrizers.
 
Thurman Murman said:
Ok I usually take summers off because it just gets too damn hot in my surveillance van. However, I have to chime in on this one because I see too many uniformed opinions. Did our safeties play well last year? Nope. That being said, they did not play as bad as many here think. Although he is not completely correct on all issues, PR does have this one figured out more than most of you.

Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.


-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.


Things that will be changed and I think will help turn around safety play next year.

-A DC and a complete secondary with another year of experience under their belt.
-JJ IS BACK. This one is more important than many people realize. The best defense is a good offense. Simply put, the O did not do a good enough job of putting long drives together and keeping the D off the field. I joke that nobody is more happy to have JJ back than coach G.
-We will be playing more “press” coverage with our corners this year. This was evident in the spring and should make you “corners are 10 yards deep every play” guys happy.
-A young and knowledgeable safety coach who will demand the most from his players.
-look for a more aggressive year on D. More pressures with a man free type coverage. This requires both a D front who can get home and a D secondary who can cover. Coach G feels like this is going to be the case this year and I would not be surprised to see it result in more aggressive play calling.

Now to address some completely inaccurate statements. The corners did not line up 10 yards deep every play. Sometimes they did. Coaches had issues getting the young corners who lacked confidence to scoot up, but it was definitely not every play. For those who think we only played cover 2 or 3 last year. I suggest you watch some game film. Well over 1/3 of the D plays called were man or zone pressures. In fact, it was most often aggressive pressure calls that relied too heavily on our DB’s that led to big plays. Also, those claiming it was easy to tell that we were in cover 2 or 3 obviously have only limited high school football knowledge. Little to no division one college football teams run basic cover 2 or 3. The griz certainly do not. There may be a base 2 or 3 initial call (it is usually 4 or simply zone for the griz), but the field is then broken in half and a combination of the initial call and the offensive formation dictate what coverage is played to that side (very often the D may be running say cover 2 on one half of the field and say cover 3 on the other). If you want to see evidence of this just watch the safety/corner/linebacker on one side of the field communicate through hand signals what the coverage is as the O comes to the line.

As painful as it is to some of you, PR is actually pretty correct on this one. Secondary play at this level is not as simple as you think. It was comical to get on this board during/after the game and listen to many posters call a certain player out for a long pass completion simply because they were close to the play. When in fact, a completely different player was responsible for the mistake. I imagine that 95% of posters on this board would be completely lost in a D meeting discussing secondary scheme. The posters claiming it is simply basic cover 2, 3, or man are a perfect example. This simply is not the case. Lastly, for those who though the solution was to play different players you were also misinformed. There simply was not anyone who was better than the starters (I know it is hard to believe for some of you, but it was the case).

Whew. I wish I could have said all that in less words. But it simply is not cut and dry like so many of you think, so I felt it deserved a detailed explanation. Safety play WAS NOT good enough last year, but it was also not as bad as some though (it was often a combination of factors listed above in addition to the actual play of the safeties). I look for there to be some good improvement this year.
Oh yeah thurman, you are fat and not even an old Griz.
Pussy.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
 
PhxGriz said:
Thurman Murman said:
Ok I usually take summers off because it just gets too damn hot in my surveillance van. However, I have to chime in on this one because I see too many uniformed opinions. Did our safeties play well last year? Nope. That being said, they did not play as bad as many here think. Although he is not completely correct on all issues, PR does have this one figured out more than most of you.

Reasons for bad safety play or the appearance of bad safety play last season include.


-A very solid front 7 that pretty much shut down MOST teams run games, led to a higher percentage of passes.
-A first year DC who is still learning and lost 9 starters including 2 NFL draft guys.
-A safety coach who quite frankly was just too old to effectively coach/communicate.
-A lack of shut down corners who could help the safeties out.
-Injuries
-An offense who was ineffective at best.
-A lack of safety depth to provide both rest and more importantly competition to push the safety play to be better.


Things that will be changed and I think will help turn around safety play next year.

-A DC and a complete secondary with another year of experience under their belt.
-JJ IS BACK. This one is more important than many people realize. The best defense is a good offense. Simply put, the O did not do a good enough job of putting long drives together and keeping the D off the field. I joke that nobody is more happy to have JJ back than coach G.
-We will be playing more “press” coverage with our corners this year. This was evident in the spring and should make you “corners are 10 yards deep every play” guys happy.
-A young and knowledgeable safety coach who will demand the most from his players.
-look for a more aggressive year on D. More pressures with a man free type coverage. This requires both a D front who can get home and a D secondary who can cover. Coach G feels like this is going to be the case this year and I would not be surprised to see it result in more aggressive play calling.

Now to address some completely inaccurate statements. The corners did not line up 10 yards deep every play. Sometimes they did. Coaches had issues getting the young corners who lacked confidence to scoot up, but it was definitely not every play. For those who think we only played cover 2 or 3 last year. I suggest you watch some game film. Well over 1/3 of the D plays called were man or zone pressures. In fact, it was most often aggressive pressure calls that relied too heavily on our DB’s that led to big plays. Also, those claiming it was easy to tell that we were in cover 2 or 3 obviously have only limited high school football knowledge. Little to no division one college football teams run basic cover 2 or 3. The griz certainly do not. There may be a base 2 or 3 initial call (it is usually 4 or simply zone for the griz), but the field is then broken in half and a combination of the initial call and the offensive formation dictate what coverage is played to that side (very often the D may be running say cover 2 on one half of the field and say cover 3 on the other). If you want to see evidence of this just watch the safety/corner/linebacker on one side of the field communicate through hand signals what the coverage is as the O comes to the line.

As painful as it is to some of you, PR is actually pretty correct on this one. Secondary play at this level is not as simple as you think. It was comical to get on this board during/after the game and listen to many posters call a certain player out for a long pass completion simply because they were close to the play. When in fact, a completely different player was responsible for the mistake. I imagine that 95% of posters on this board would be completely lost in a D meeting discussing secondary scheme. The posters claiming it is simply basic cover 2, 3, or man are a perfect example. This simply is not the case. Lastly, for those who though the solution was to play different players you were also misinformed. There simply was not anyone who was better than the starters (I know it is hard to believe for some of you, but it was the case).

Whew. I wish I could have said all that in less words. But it simply is not cut and dry like so many of you think, so I felt it deserved a detailed explanation. Safety play WAS NOT good enough last year, but it was also not as bad as some though (it was often a combination of factors listed above in addition to the actual play of the safeties). I look for there to be some good improvement this year.
Oh yeah thurman, you are fat and not even an old Griz.
Pussy.

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Well I wouldn't go that far. Perhaps you just need to get to know me.
 
What kind of jackass creates an alternative identity on an anonymous message board to promote their original screen identity?
 
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