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Crapping on our Safties!

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Rockmeister

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Everyone's down on the safety play, and after last year I understand a little criticism. But these safeties are a year older and they're actually gonna get some rest this year on defense-thanks to Jordan. Amazing the criticism of these student athletes by people who live on the internet and have probably never played since high school (or probably Jr. high) I Hope these guys make you eat the sh*t that you spout about them every time you get a chance. I'm sure you were perfect at your profession right away and needed no extra training or experience on the job. Give the guys a break or go down there on the field yourself and use up whatever eligibility you have left in your college career. Hermanson & Tully, I hope you kick their butts this year!
 
Hilarious tirade. Hilarious. I hope Tully and Hermanson rock it this year and I am one of the guys who thinks they sucked ash last year. I sincerely hope they prove me wrong and are outstanding at their positions.
 
You got one part right. I too hope they rock and prove themselves.

It cracks me up when someone goes off on those who criticize a player or players for whatever reason, when the criticism was warranted. I don't like seeing players criticized either. In this case, our safety and DB play as a whole earned all criticism it got last season. 2012's pass defense was bad as a whole. I do admit, pass defense did look much better at the end of 2012. That was encouraging, and something to build on going into this season.

I am sure those safeties will admit they struggled and need to better their performance this season. Safety play was by far the weakest position on the field last year for results. I fault the DC and staff even more than the players. Gregorak's 1st year as DC was a rough one for pass defense. He did not help them much by conceding the short passing games. Strategy was a huge problem last year. More aggressive pass defense is the 1st thing I will look for in fall camp, and the 1st few games of the season.
If we see this passive crap again, it will not be a good sign for the season.

At least going into this season, it is easy to know what areas need improved from last for a successful season. Everything else appears to be looking great coming into this season. The GRIZ need improved pass defense, more consistent QB play/passing, and kicking game. I doubt if many GRIZ fans or opposing coaches would dispute any of those things.

To be honest, pass defense cannot be worse than 2012. QB play is improved with JJ's return, and more experience for each QB. Kicking game is a matter of Lider learning to be more consistent striking the ball. Lider has the leg to be a great kicker. My guess is he should be improved with more experience as well.

I have a very good feeling going into 2013 regarding the players at ever position. My concerns are more with coaching staff and decision making. Here is to hoping our Safeties deliver big time this year!!! If they deliver our Defense could be damn right nasty this season.
 
mtgrizrule said:
You got one part right. I too hope they rock and prove themselves.

It cracks me up when someone goes off on those who criticize a player or players for whatever reason, when the criticism was warranted. I don't like seeing players criticized either. In this case, our safety and DB play as a whole earned all criticism it got last season. 2012's pass defense was bad as a whole. I do admit, pass defense did look much better at the end of 2012. That was encouraging, and something to build on going into this season.

I am sure those safeties will admit they struggled and need to better their performance this season. Safety play was by far the weakest position on the field last year for results. I fault the DC and staff even more than the players. Gregorak's 1st year as DC was a rough one for pass defense. He did not help them much by conceding the short passing games. Strategy was a huge problem last year. More aggressive pass defense is the 1st thing I will look for in fall camp, and the 1st few games of the season.
If we see this passive crap again, it will not be a good sign for the season.

At least going into this season, it is easy to know what areas need improved from last for a successful season. Everything else appears to be looking great coming into this season. The GRIZ need improved pass defense, more consistent QB play/passing, and kicking game. I doubt if many GRIZ fans or opposing coaches would dispute any of those things.

To be honest, pass defense cannot be worse than 2012. QB play is improved with JJ's return, and more experience for each QB. Kicking game is a matter of Lider learning to be more consistent striking the ball. Lider has the leg to be a great kicker. My guess is he should be improved with more experience as well.

I have a very good feeling going into 2013 regarding the players at ever position. My concerns are more with coaching staff and decision making. Here is to hoping our Safeties deliver big time this year!!! If they deliver our Defense could be damn right nasty this season.

I don't know if Hermanson and Tully read this board or not but I am sure your " vote of confidence" would make them both a little uneasy LOL.
 
Actually quite a few here have played since high school. They will play better this year or they won't be on the field long. The leash does have a finite measurement for sure. Sustained drives on the "O" side of the ball will be their first savior. Leads in games, forcing tendencies will help also. Probably the largest factor will be a rabid pass rush. All of these areas should lead to massive improvement...I hope. It's big boy football now with "pay for play". I hope they are "tougher" than some here. :egriz:
 
rimrockgriz said:
Actually quite a few here have played since high school. They will play better this year or they won't be on the field long. The leash does have a finite measurement for sure. Sustained drives on the "O" side of the ball will be their first savior. Leads in games, forcing tendencies will help also. Probably the largest factor will be a rabid pass rush. All of these areas should lead to massive improvement...I hope. It's big boy football now with "pay for play". I hope they are "tougher" than some here. :egriz:

Are you kidding me?! :lol:

Funny crap. Keep up the good work.

By the way, I would LOVE to see a line-up of former players. Talk about fat and out of shape.
 
PhxGriz said:
rimrockgriz said:
Actually quite a few here have played since high school. They will play better this year or they won't be on the field long. The leash does have a finite measurement for sure. Sustained drives on the "O" side of the ball will be their first savior. Leads in games, forcing tendencies will help also. Probably the largest factor will be a rabid pass rush. All of these areas should lead to massive improvement...I hope. It's big boy football now with "pay for play". I hope they are "tougher" than some here. :egriz:

Are you kidding me?! :lol:

Funny crap. Keep up the good work.

By the way, I would LOVE to see a line-up of former players. Talk about fat and out of shape.

I love the soliloquys spun by old guys who "used to".
 
it is not about criticizing players as it is that most fans can tell if a player is playing good or not. It is not rocket science to see if someone can cover or tackle when put in that position.
so to your point, RM, that they are a year older, that was the case last year as well. not sure your point.
why do you think that each position has try outs????? the player that can play the position best normally gets the job.......not sure what was the case with hermy and tully based on their playing ability last year....sure, some of it is coaching, especially if you asked to play 10yds off your man then you better be able to read the moves, the play, the quarterback and be a 10 flat 100 meters guy to catch up to the play.....or you are f****d
I believe most of us are talking about fundamentals with these players and this is what is not being exercised 100%....possibly way less.
i.e. you need to be fast, savvy (have field vision), make good reads, and go for the ball.. not just follow your receiver down field, and be a good fundamental tackler........we have had many in that position over recent years....do I have to name names to give you an idea of what we mean?
 
It wasn't just safety play that was less than credible, it was the defensive backfield, wide receivers and quarterbacks. Hopefully, all will improve this year. We have a very good quarterback with JJ....we will see about the other positions.
 
I line up with Rock on this one. Some of the comments in this thread actually support what Rock said. Safeties are supposed to line up 10 or so yards deep in most defenses. (By the way, it is absolutely not true that the corners lined up 10 yards deep last year. That's just BS.) Most of the time (i.e. when not in "man" coverage), the d-back doesn't have a man to follow and defend. The d-back has a zone to cover. Some of you think you understand secondary play, but few actually do, and the ignorance regarding secondary play on this board is very evident. If you don't know what defense the secondary is playing on the play, and in some cases what the particular nuances are of the defense, you probably aren't going to know who made a mistake on a completed pass. Case in point. The defender closest to the completed pass is not necessarily the player who made the mistake.
 
PlayerRep said:
I line up with Rock on this one. Some of the comments in this thread actually support what Rock said. Safeties are supposed to line up 10 or so yards deep in most defenses. (By the way, it is absolutely not true that the corners lined up 10 yards deep last year. That's just BS.) Most of the time (i.e. when not in "man" coverage), the d-back doesn't have a man to follow and defend. The d-back has a zone to cover. Some of you think you understand secondary play, but few actually do, and the ignorance regarding secondary play on this board is very evident. If you don't know what defense the secondary is playing on the play, and in some cases what the particular nuances are of the defense, you probably aren't going to know who made a mistake on a completed pass. Case in point. The defender closest to the completed pass is not necessarily the player who made the mistake.
Let me ask you this...once the ball left the opposing q.b.'s hand and is possessed down field how would you rate the tackling downfield? please make your answer < 50 words. :egriz:
 
PlayerRep said:
I line up with Rock on this one. Some of the comments in this thread actually support what Rock said. Safeties are supposed to line up 10 or so yards deep in most defenses. (By the way, it is absolutely not true that the corners lined up 10 yards deep last year. That's just BS.) Most of the time (i.e. when not in "man" coverage), the d-back doesn't have a man to follow and defend. The d-back has a zone to cover. Some of you think you understand secondary play, but few actually do, and the ignorance regarding secondary play on this board is very evident. If you don't know what defense the secondary is playing on the play, and in some cases what the particular nuances are of the defense, you probably aren't going to know who made a mistake on a completed pass. Case in point. The defender closest to the completed pass is not necessarily the player who made the mistake.


Ya, its super tough to figure out if they're in a cover 2 or cover 3... It was pretty basic last year.
 
rimrockgriz said:
PlayerRep said:
I line up with Rock on this one. Some of the comments in this thread actually support what Rock said. Safeties are supposed to line up 10 or so yards deep in most defenses. (By the way, it is absolutely not true that the corners lined up 10 yards deep last year. That's just BS.) Most of the time (i.e. when not in "man" coverage), the d-back doesn't have a man to follow and defend. The d-back has a zone to cover. Some of you think you understand secondary play, but few actually do, and the ignorance regarding secondary play on this board is very evident. If you don't know what defense the secondary is playing on the play, and in some cases what the particular nuances are of the defense, you probably aren't going to know who made a mistake on a completed pass. Case in point. The defender closest to the completed pass is not necessarily the player who made the mistake.
Let me ask you this...once the ball left the opposing q.b.'s hand and is possessed down field how would you rate the tackling downfield? please make your answer < 50 words. :egriz:

Needed improvement. Players weren't reacting quickly enough to the play at times, so were not in ideal position at time tackle needed to be made and didn't make some tackles they needed to make. Being even slightly not in ideal position increases the chances of a missed tackle or a poor tackle. Reaction time improved late in season.
 
It is a safe bet that our safety play will be much improved from last season.

Hermy had an injury that I felt kept him out of "sorts" from his very good Freshman play the year before.

A new Defensive coach (Ty Gregorak) that in my opinion will be better this season.

Add in a new Safety coach who I am very impressed with, a no fooling kind of guy.

Watch for #31 Whitted. This kid can be so good he can change the game around. For the record I see him become one of our better safeties in modern times. If he stays healthy he will be our guy! Some of you may have noted his toughness and he can play!

We fans keep looking back........tough not to......However, looking ahead we might just be damn good.
 
zirge said:
it is not about criticizing players as it is that most fans can tell if a player is playing good or not. It is not rocket science to see if someone can cover or tackle when put in that position.
so to your point, RM, that they are a year older, that was the case last year as well. not sure your point.
why do you think that each position has try outs????? the player that can play the position best normally gets the job.......not sure what was the case with hermy and tully based on their playing ability last year....sure, some of it is coaching, especially if you asked to play 10yds off your man then you better be able to read the moves, the play, the quarterback and be a 10 flat 100 meters guy to catch up to the play.....or you are f****d
I believe most of us are talking about fundamentals with these players and this is what is not being exercised 100%....possibly way less.
i.e. you need to be fast, savvy (have field vision), make good reads, and go for the ball.. not just follow your receiver down field, and be a good fundamental tackler........we have had many in that position over recent years....do I have to name names to give you an idea of what we mean?

Zirge:

This is probably one of the best posts about the safeties that I have seen on E-Griz. It goes right to the point! A year of additional experience will not necessarily help a safety play better if he is less athletic, a poor tackler or doesn't understand
the game or his position. Tully is a good athlete but he rarely makes plays, particularly tackles. I think Hermanson understands the game, he is after all the son of a HS coach, he just isn't very athletic. Neither player has the complete tools to play the position IMO. I was hopeful when the Griz signed Van Akern for safety but that plan has changed. Maybe Gamboa and Whitted are ready. We'll see.
 
this is not little guy football where all the players get a blue ribbon for participation,,,the safties can take it or they should not be on the football field....they need to get better and I am hopeful they will do just that...
 
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