Jesse said:PlayerRep said:Stop whining and quit posting in this thread. AZ is a good poster. He doesn't wreck threads. You do. Please get the F out of here.
I believe you just tried to cancel culture me on the same post twice, thats kinda like double dipping. You dipped once when you responded to my Post (which was directed at Az and not you) and then you dipped again when you responded to my same post with more about my same post. Yes a double dip on my same post. PR, that is really frowned on by universal posting etiquette. There’s no rule or policy per se against it, but well, it’s just not done, it makes one appear petty to call attention again to something (in this example my post to Az), that doesn’t deserve more attention. Try and remember the one post and one response rule and you won’t make the same faux pas. Thanks have a good evening
CDAGRIZ said:Hot 50-ish (think NoDak 30-ish) secretary with fake bombs at my old firm notified some of us that she is “vaxxed, waxed, and ready to party.” Society is healing.
I read quite well thank you. But what’s with the constant childish name calling, that’s not very neighborly. I don’t really want to rehash how a bet works again do you. But I guess you still haven’t learned, so listen just remember when you throw out a bet and the other guy takes it, then that’s the bet see? Once the bet is accepted you don’t get a do over to make the terms better for yourself. It like golf no mulligans, get it? Easy-peasy. Have a good nite thanksPlayerRep said:Jesse said:I believe you just tried to cancel culture me on the same post twice, thats kinda like double dipping. You dipped once when you responded to my Post (which was directed at Az and not you) and then you dipped again when you responded to my same post with more about my same post. Yes a double dip on my same post. PR, that is really frowned on by universal posting etiquette. There’s no rule or policy per se against it, but well, it’s just not done, it makes one appear petty to call attention again to something (in this example my post to Az), that doesn’t deserve more attention. Try and remember the one post and one response rule and you won’t make the same faux pas. Thanks have a good evening
Nope. Learn to read. You are truly an idiot. Learn to pay your bets too.
Ursa Major said:CDAGRIZ said:Hot 50-ish (think NoDak 30-ish) secretary with fake bombs at my old firm notified some of us that she is “vaxxed, waxed, and ready to party.” Society is healing.
That’s just disgusting! That’s someone’s mom.
Please PM me her contact info, I’ll take care of this, Boys.
Ursa Major said:CDAGRIZ said:Hot 50-ish (think NoDak 30-ish) secretary with fake bombs at my old firm notified some of us that she is “vaxxed, waxed, and ready to party.” Society is healing.
That’s just disgusting! That’s someone’s mom.
Please PM me her contact info, I’ll take care of this, Boys.
argh! said:horribilisfan8184 said:Since last November I have told everyone who asked that because of my infection I am covid-19 immune for life. Scolded that the CDC said we don't know beyond 4 months, I said I will go with the known immunology science of lifetime immunity (now the science study results), not the political hacks. What we really don't know is how long vaccine immunity lasts, but the political hacks not only tell me I need the vaccine, vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity. Yeah, right.
What's also unknown is how many of us natural immunes there are running around, because so many of the infected showed no symptoms. If this weekend showed anything it is that the country has reached saturation on the disease and is doing what they want, much to the chagrin of one particular party. Oh how they hate the non-obedient.
I am ready to pack shoulder to shoulder in the north end zone, high five anyone and everyone on each score, including the cupped hand yellers and two finger whistlers,, and share tugs off contraband bottles of belly fire! I will promise not to rub the shoulders or sniff the hair of 11 year old girls, boys or trans of either or tell them they look 19. Somebody else claimed that first. Go Griz!
as a scientist who used a lot of immunology-based tools in research, and taught parts of the subject, i agree. i had this same discussion this morning with a woman who had covid, but now is concerned she won't be allowed on flights because she doesn't feel the need to get vaccinated. isn't the actual viral agent the best vaccine, so to speak? people who have had covid should be allowed to do everything a vaccinated person can do. re-infection is very rare, if it has really occurred at all, and not been the product of faulty testing (which has happened a lot). infection after vaccination, on the other hand, has occurred. who was leading the covid thing, unfettered nowadays? oh yeah, fauci. i lean left, and all that, but i also know his type from working at high levels in science for a long time. he needed to go a long time ago, as do a lot of the heads of nih institutions, including the top guy, francis collins. they are just more politicians.
PhxGriz said:argh! said:as a scientist who used a lot of immunology-based tools in research, and taught parts of the subject, i agree. i had this same discussion this morning with a woman who had covid, but now is concerned she won't be allowed on flights because she doesn't feel the need to get vaccinated. isn't the actual viral agent the best vaccine, so to speak? people who have had covid should be allowed to do everything a vaccinated person can do. re-infection is very rare, if it has really occurred at all, and not been the product of faulty testing (which has happened a lot). infection after vaccination, on the other hand, has occurared. who was leading the covid thing, unfettered nowadays? oh yeah, fauci. i lean left, and all that, but i also know his type from working at high levels in science for a long time. he needed to go a long time ago, as do a lot of the heads of nih institutions, including the top guy, francis collins. they are just more politicians.
I'm still shocked that the powers that be keep acting like mRNA vaccine immunity is anywhere close to naturally recovered immunity.
When you face a variant, do you want your body to only have the S protein to work with, or do you want the whole virus?
Well said.horribilisfan8184 said:These immunity concepts are well known and taught in academia and all branches of medical fields, yet politicians get away with spouting nonsense because the masses are not generally knowledgeable. But if you ask your doctor they will tell you these things while rolling their eyes at the BS. Mine told me, when my symptoms subsided, from a covid standpoint I was the safest person in the county to hug.PhxGriz said:I'm still shocked that the powers that be keep acting like mRNA vaccine immunity is anywhere close to naturally recovered immunity.
When you face a variant, do you want your body to only have the S protein to work with, or do you want the whole virus?
The blame here lies with the media first in swallowing the crap from the politicians, and ignoring, then suppressing, then attacking anyone who tries to correct the narrative with the truth. And pity to a professional who does spout the truth, the narrative mob comes after their licenses and livelihood. These are dark times for truth, dark, dark times. History has seen power hungry propaganda spewers masquerading as "fact checkers" in the past. In reproductive terms, its where world wars come from..
Jesse said:I read quite well thank you. But what’s with the constant childish name calling, that’s not very neighborly. I don’t really want to rehash how a bet works again do you. But I guess you still haven’t learned, so listen just remember when you throw out a bet and the other guy takes it, then that’s the bet see? Once the bet is accepted you don’t get a do over to make the terms better for yourself. It like golf no mulligans, get it? Easy-peasy. Have a good nite thanksPlayerRep said:Nope. Learn to read. You are truly an idiot. Learn to pay your bets too.
PhxGriz said:argh! said:as a scientist who used a lot of immunology-based tools in research, and taught parts of the subject, i agree. i had this same discussion this morning with a woman who had covid, but now is concerned she won't be allowed on flights because she doesn't feel the need to get vaccinated. isn't the actual viral agent the best vaccine, so to speak? people who have had covid should be allowed to do everything a vaccinated person can do. re-infection is very rare, if it has really occurred at all, and not been the product of faulty testing (which has happened a lot). infection after vaccination, on the other hand, has occurred. who was leading the covid thing, unfettered nowadays? oh yeah, fauci. i lean left, and all that, but i also know his type from working at high levels in science for a long time. he needed to go a long time ago, as do a lot of the heads of nih institutions, including the top guy, francis collins. they are just more politicians.
I'm still shocked that the powers that be keep acting like mRNA vaccine immunity is anywhere close to naturally recovered immunity.
When you face a variant, do you want your body to only have the S protein to work with, or do you want the whole virus?
horribilisfan8184 said:PhxGriz said:I'm still shocked that the powers that be keep acting like mRNA vaccine immunity is anywhere close to naturally recovered immunity.
When you face a variant, do you want your body to only have the S protein to work with, or do you want the whole virus?
These immunity concepts are well known and taught in academia and all branches of medical fields, yet politicians get away with spouting nonsense because the masses are not generally knowledgeable. But if you ask your doctor they will tell you these things while rolling their eyes at the BS. Mine told me, when my symptoms subsided, from a covid standpoint I was the safest person in the county to hug.
The blame here lies with the media first in swallowing the crap from the LEFT WINGNUT politicians, and ignoring, then suppressing, then attacking anyone who tries to correct the narrative with the truth. And pity to a professional who does spout the truth, the narrative mob comes after their licenses and livelihood. These are dark times for truth, dark, dark times. History has seen power hungry propaganda spewers masquerading as "fact checkers" in the past. In reproductive terms, its where world wars come from..
:thumb:AZGrizFan said:horribilisfan8184 said:These immunity concepts are well known and taught in academia and all branches of medical fields, yet politicians get away with spouting nonsense because the masses are not generally knowledgeable. But if you ask your doctor they will tell you these things while rolling their eyes at the BS. Mine told me, when my symptoms subsided, from a covid standpoint I was the safest person in the county to hug.
The blame here lies with the media first in swallowing the crap from the LEFT WINGNUT politicians, and ignoring, then suppressing, then attacking anyone who tries to correct the narrative with the truth. And pity to a professional who does spout the truth, the narrative mob comes after their licenses and livelihood. These are dark times for truth, dark, dark times. History has seen power hungry propaganda spewers masquerading as "fact checkers" in the past. In reproductive terms, its where world wars come from..
FIFY.
CDAGRIZ said:Ursa Major said:That’s just disgusting! That’s someone’s mom.
Please PM me her contact info, I’ll take care of this, Boys.
I’ll do it, but let me just warn you, she told me once, “I’ve been around long enough to know what goes where.” As a summer associate many moons ago, I stupidly assumed she was talking about filing. She has a way with words, that one.
Ursa Major said:CDAGRIZ said:I’ll do it, but let me just warn you, she told me once, “I’ve been around long enough to know what goes where.” As a summer associate many moons ago, I stupidly assumed she was talking about filing. She has a way with words, that one.
Ha, so small world. It turns out she’s my second cousin, Renee. Kind of wishing I hadn’t led off with a dic pic now.
PlayerRep said:PhxGriz said:I'm still shocked that the powers that be keep acting like mRNA vaccine immunity is anywhere close to naturally recovered immunity.
When you face a variant, do you want your body to only have the S protein to work with, or do you want the whole virus?
"In data released Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that at least 5,800 people had fallen ill or tested positive for the coronavirus two weeks or more after they completed both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.
A total of about 78 million Americans are now fully vaccinated."
[As of mid-April (date of this stat), the mRNA vaccines have proven to be very effective.]
https://khn.org/news/article/the-shock-and-reality-of-catching-covid-after-being-vaccinated/
"As of May 24, 2021, more than 130 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports from 47 U.S. states and territories of [3454] vaccine breakthrough cases in patients who were hospitalized or died.
[Those numbers are incredibly good.]
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
PhxGriz said:PlayerRep said:"In data released Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that at least 5,800 people had fallen ill or tested positive for the coronavirus two weeks or more after they completed both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine.
A total of about 78 million Americans are now fully vaccinated."
[As of mid-April (date of this stat), the mRNA vaccines have proven to be very effective.]
https://khn.org/news/article/the-shock-and-reality-of-catching-covid-after-being-vaccinated/
"As of May 24, 2021, more than 130 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. During the same time, CDC received reports from 47 U.S. states and territories of [3454] vaccine breakthrough cases in patients who were hospitalized or died.
[Those numbers are incredibly good.]
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html
I'm not saying the vaccines were poor, simply that natural immunity is better. The process of natural immunity gives you many more epitopes to work with.
In regards to those that tested positive after vaccination, I would like to see the cycle thresholds for those PCR tests.
It's well documented that if the cycle threshold is too high, you run the risk of a false positive. If they really want to prove a positive, then follow the PCR up with a viral culture...of course that takes time and money and I can admit that would be a huge undertaking if you did that for all positives.
PlayerRep said:PhxGriz said:I'm not saying the vaccines were poor, simply that natural immunity is better. The process of natural immunity gives you many more epitopes to work with.
In regards to those that tested positive after vaccination, I would like to see the cycle thresholds for those PCR tests.
It's well documented that if the cycle threshold is too high, you run the risk of a false positive. If they really want to prove a positive, then follow the PCR up with a viral culture...of course that takes time and money and I can admit that would be a huge undertaking if you did that for all positives.
Go it. Thx.