Could the Griz get left out of the playoffs?

[tnt]

And you forgot uc Davis who blew them out and we blew uc Davis out. You're nitpicking your games and stats all thread. It's also been pointed out in other threads that their conference schedule isn't as difficult as ours. They might barely get the nod over us but it's all figuratively and it's not as clear cut as you make it out to be.

Was a comparison to other possible playoff teams within the scenario...UC Davis is not a playoff team. Also, it seems that SUU had much more success against the top teams, do you really want to argue about which bottom feeders each did or did not play? And for the record, the only difference is SUU did not play Cal Poly or UND and the Griz did not play ISU or UNC. There are more common games than not.

You're reaffirming my point in the fact that you're nitpicking. Sure they had a better record against higher teams. They also have a worse record against worse teams and the comparable records of teams we both faced is comparable and an argument can be made for both sides .

The point is, the wins by SUU over MSU, NAU, and So Alabama, in the discussed scenario, would carry much more weight than a loss to Davis. The WINS over these teams would make SUU's strength of victory better than that of the Griz. That is the point people have been trying to make, but you have been to ignorant to follow along.

Correct, Whether or not the BSC has five ranked teams is pretty irrelevent in light of the fact UM has beat none of them or for that matter beat anyone with a winning record. The cat game has huge ramifications. There are other equally important games going on around the country as well.

I think more interesting is how many have spent the year berating the team, the players, the coaches, each other now believe this team is lock for not only the playoffs but a first round bye and a seeding as well. If half the BSC is great and halg the BSC sucks, it doesn't mean beating the half that sucks make you great. Thats why the BSC is not (yet) top dog.

 

[Eriul]

I find it hypocritical for you to be preaching ignorance when you choose to ignore facts. I have openly state I understand the wins but that doesn't discount losses and the rest of the season. Practice before you preach

You don't get it, and that is OK. If/When the Griz win, then this scenario does not matter anyway.

Haha I get it. But by your logic Stanford should get into the rose bowl because they beat Oregon. Losses count just as much as wins ;-)

You are comparing apple-to-oranges if you compare Stanford-Oregon to the UM-SUU scenario being discussed. Like I said, you just don't quite get it.

So figuratively speaking in your logic if suu had lost to let's say fort Lewis and beat uc Davis and this situation occurred... You still think they deserve the nod? Because your logic is flawed to me. And I have stated earlier that I think they would but I don't think it's as clear cut as you said. I think you don't quite get it. Losses... Matter. Simple. You're comparing a 3 game season.

 

[Eriul]

Was a comparison to other possible playoff teams within the scenario...UC Davis is not a playoff team. Also, it seems that SUU had much more success against the top teams, do you really want to argue about which bottom feeders each did or did not play? And for the record, the only difference is SUU did not play Cal Poly or UND and the Griz did not play ISU or UNC. There are more common games than not.

You're reaffirming my point in the fact that you're nitpicking. Sure they had a better record against higher teams. They also have a worse record against worse teams and the comparable records of teams we both faced is comparable and an argument can be made for both sides .

The point is, the wins by SUU over MSU, NAU, and So Alabama, in the discussed scenario, would carry much more weight than a loss to Davis. The WINS over these teams would make SUU's strength of victory better than that of the Griz. That is the point people have been trying to make, but you have been to ignorant to follow along.

Correct, Whether or not the BSC has five ranked teams is pretty irrelevent in light of the fact UM has beat none of them or for that matter beat anyone with a winning record. The cat game has huge ramifications. There are other equally important games going on around the country as well.

I think more interesting is how many have spent the year berating the team, the players, the coaches, each other now believe this team is lock for not only the playoffs but a first round bye and a seeding as well. If half the BSC is great and halg the BSC sucks, it doesn't mean beating the half that sucks make you great. Thats why the BSC is not (yet) top dog.

I wasn't aware that 4 teams out of 13 was half...

 

[mcg]

My point is that the Griz aren't a 'lock' or 'guaranteed' a playoff spot. I'd say the probability today of the Griz making the playoffs is something like 90%. If the Griz lose and SUU wins, that number goes down, down, down.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

You don't get it, and that is OK. If/When the Griz win, then this scenario does not matter anyway.

Haha I get it. But by your logic Stanford should get into the rose bowl because they beat Oregon. Losses count just as much as wins ;-)

You are comparing apple-to-oranges if you compare Stanford-Oregon to the UM-SUU scenario being discussed. Like I said, you just don't quite get it.

So figuratively speaking in your logic if suu had lost to let's say fort Lewis and beat uc Davis and this situation occurred... You still think they deserve the nod? Because your logic is flawed to me. And I have stated earlier that I think they would but I don't think it's as clear cut as you said. I think you don't quite get it. Losses... Matter. Simple. You're comparing a 3 game season.

The Fort Lewis loss would not be good, but follow this, strength of victories, especially when you can compare common games, and even more so, common games against playoff teams, will carry much more weight in the decision process. This is the little thing that you can not seem to grasp. If SUU beat Wazzu and lost to Fort Lewis, would this make them a bad team? I understand losses do matter, but not as much as wins, and if SUU wins this weekend and UM loses, SUU with a (2-1) record against EWU, NAU, and MSU as compared to UM's (0-3) record against the same would carry weigh more weight than SUU's loss to Davis would. Once again, you do not quite get it.

 

[marceagfan5]

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[Eriul]

Haha I get it. But by your logic Stanford should get into the rose bowl because they beat Oregon. Losses count just as much as wins ;-)

You are comparing apple-to-oranges if you compare Stanford-Oregon to the UM-SUU scenario being discussed. Like I said, you just don't quite get it.

So figuratively speaking in your logic if suu had lost to let's say fort Lewis and beat uc Davis and this situation occurred... You still think they deserve the nod? Because your logic is flawed to me. And I have stated earlier that I think they would but I don't think it's as clear cut as you said. I think you don't quite get it. Losses... Matter. Simple. You're comparing a 3 game season.

The Fort Lewis loss would not be good, but follow this, strength of victories, especially when you can compare common games, and even more so, common games against playoff teams, will carry much more weight in the decision process. This is the little thing that you can not seem to grasp. If SUU beat Wazzu and lost to Fort Lewis, would this make them a bad team? I understand losses do matter, but not as much as wins, and if SUU wins this weekend and UM loses, SUU with a (2-1) record against EWU, NAU, and MSU as compared to UM's (0-3) record against the same would carry weigh more weight than SUU's loss to Davis would. Once again, you do not quite get it.

You're ignorant of what I'm saying and it's actually quite humorous. You constantly just tell me I don't get it while you still post the same stay which I've openly acknowledged. Don't be derogatory. It's classless and makes you appear unintelligent. I'm pointing out that the loss to uc Davis does actually factor and I do understand that wins mean more but it's not nearly as clear cut. The loss to uc Davis is bad. It's a really bad loss and is a blemish. How big a blemish is up for debate. But I'd be willin to bet the house that if suu lost to fort Lewis no one would be willing to state that suu would still deserve to be in over us. So it comes down to how big of a blemish is the uc Davis loss and I think it's bigger than what you think. Simple we disagree and I won't call you a dumb idiot because I disagree with you but maybe your next post could be not so derogatory then we can have a serious debate



Hint; I fully understand that suu would have been 3-0 against the top in conference and I fully understand that montana would be 1-2. You don't need to waste more time typing out that stat. I got it ;-)

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Eriul, but no one lost to Fort Lewis, that is like saying what if the Griz lost to OPSU.

Point is, if SUU beats NAU and the Griz lose to MSU, I believe that on the resume, SUU would be considered before UM. The difference between 9-3 and 8-4 is not huge, and in this scenario, I would feel that SUU had demonstrated being a better team based on the results of their games. You are all hung up on the Davis game, but in this scenario, doubt that would be a huge deal. More about who you beat.

 

[Eriul]

Eriul, but no one lost to Fort Lewis, that is like saying what if the Griz lost to OPSU.

Point is, if SUU beats NAU and the Griz lose to MSU, I believe that on the resume, SUU would be considered before UM. The difference between 9-3 and 8-4 is not huge, and in this scenario, I would feel that SUU had demonstrated being a better team based on the results of their games. You are all hung up on the Davis game, but in this scenario, doubt that would be a huge deal. More about who you beat.

So we disagree on the significance of the uc Davis game. I pointed out the scenario so you would openly admit that there are losses that matter. Funny you still won't do that. I have openly stated all thread that I think suu would barely get the nod but it's not as clear as you make it out to be. A strong case could be made that the griz deserve more including the fact that the griz would never have been truly upset according to final standings. All 3 losses would be to top 10 teams whereas suu lost to uc Davis. It's closer than indicayed

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Eriul, but no one lost to Fort Lewis, that is like saying what if the Griz lost to OPSU.

Point is, if SUU beats NAU and the Griz lose to MSU, I believe that on the resume, SUU would be considered before UM. The difference between 9-3 and 8-4 is not huge, and in this scenario, I would feel that SUU had demonstrated being a better team based on the results of their games. You are all hung up on the Davis game, but in this scenario, doubt that would be a huge deal. More about who you beat.

So we disagree on the significance of the uc Davis game. I pointed out the scenario so you would openly admit that there are losses that matter. Funny you still won't do that. I have openly stated all thread that I think suu would barely get the nod but it's not as clear as you make it out to be. A strong case could be made that the griz deserve more including the fact that the griz would never have been truly upset according to final standings. All 3 losses would be to top 10 teams whereas suu lost to uc Davis. It's closer than indicayed

There are losses that matter. In the scenario, the losses that matter most compared to wins would be the Griz losses to NAU and MSU because SUU beat them both.

Follow this

SUU's wins @MSU and NAU would be better than UM's win @Davis

UM's losses @MSU, @NAU and EWU would be worse than SUU's losses @EWU and Davis

If I am choosing a playoff team from 2 comparable teams, I would probably take the one that has beaten a playoff team before a team that has lost to them all.

 

[Eriul]

Eriul, but no one lost to Fort Lewis, that is like saying what if the Griz lost to OPSU.

Point is, if SUU beats NAU and the Griz lose to MSU, I believe that on the resume, SUU would be considered before UM. The difference between 9-3 and 8-4 is not huge, and in this scenario, I would feel that SUU had demonstrated being a better team based on the results of their games. You are all hung up on the Davis game, but in this scenario, doubt that would be a huge deal. More about who you beat.

So we disagree on the significance of the uc Davis game. I pointed out the scenario so you would openly admit that there are losses that matter. Funny you still won't do that. I have openly stated all thread that I think suu would barely get the nod but it's not as clear as you make it out to be. A strong case could be made that the griz deserve more including the fact that the griz would never have been truly upset according to final standings. All 3 losses would be to top 10 teams whereas suu lost to uc Davis. It's closer than indicayed

There are losses that matter. In the scenario, the losses that matter most compared to wins would be the Griz losses to NAU and MSU because SUU beat them both.

Follow this

SUU's wins @MSU and NAU would be better than UM's win @Davis

UM's losses @MSU, @NAU and EWU would be worse than SUU's losses @EWU and Davis

and I would be willing to argue that those are near equal to me. Trust me I get it. I understand your argument. You've posted it a zillion times. I disagree

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Heck, if SUU beats NAU, they would have a better resume than MSU, NAU, and UM.

Dwell on that for a little bit.

This of course base on the scenario that MSU beats the Griz.

 

[Eriul]

Heck, if SUU beats NAU, they would have a better resume than MSU, NAU, and UM.

Dwell on that for a little bit.

Should just put them in the sugar bowl.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Heck, if SUU beats NAU, they would have a better resume than MSU, NAU, and UM.

Dwell on that for a little bit.

Should just put them in the sugar bowl.

There you go being an idiot just because you can not actually dispute the argument.

 

[Eriul]

Heck, if SUU beats NAU, they would have a better resume than MSU, NAU, and UM.

Dwell on that for a little bit.

Should just put them in the sugar bowl.

There you go being an idiot just because you can not actually dispute the argument.

Lol there you go being derogatory for no reason because you're upset I disagree with you. Maybe I agreed on your last statement. Maybe I honestly just don't want to argue with you anymore. Maybe you should get educated. Just maybe...

 

[GrizzleMoose]

My point is that the Griz aren't a 'lock' or 'guaranteed' a playoff spot. I'd say the probability today of the Griz making the playoffs is something like 90%. If the Griz lose and SUU wins, that number goes down, down, down.

I think you may be right. This whole " we are a lock" to get in thing is simply not true. At 9-3, I see a couple of scenarios where we may not get in. There is a chance that neither the Griz nor the Cats get in. Cats win this weekend and SUU wins, Cats could get snubbed because of four losses and Griz get snubbed because of no quality wins (other than Cal Poly, who is not going to make the playoffs). Big Sky only gets three. Or th Cats get in and we don't. No matter how much I loved watching the Cats lose at home last Saturday, that loss may actually play a huge role in whether or not the Griz get in because if they win that game, SUU is basically eliminated from the conversation.

I see a lot of people on here wanting SUU to beat NAU so that the Griz get a seed. However, if the Cats beat the Griz, we better hope NAU gets the win or the Griz are on the bubble. I think too many of us are way over confident in what direction the committee will go with this.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Heck, if SUU beats NAU, they would have a better resume than MSU, NAU, and UM.

Dwell on that for a little bit.

Should just put them in the sugar bowl.

There you go being an idiot just because you can not actually dispute the argument.

Lol there you go being derogatory for no reason because you're upset I disagree with you. Maybe I agreed on your last statement. Maybe I honestly just don't want to argue with you anymore. Maybe you should get educated. Just maybe...

So I post logical information that you do not agree with and I am uneducated? You make a dumb post and I call you out on it, but I am being derogatory? Whatever makes you sleep at night.

 

[Eriul]

My point is that the Griz aren't a 'lock' or 'guaranteed' a playoff spot. I'd say the probability today of the Griz making the playoffs is something like 90%. If the Griz lose and SUU wins, that number goes down, down, down.

I think you may be right. This whole " we are a lock" to get in thing is simply not true. At 9-3, I see a couple of scenarios where we may not get in. There is a chance that neither the Griz nor the Cats get in. Cats win this weekend and SUU wins, Cats could get snubbed because of four losses and Griz get snubbed because of no quality wins (other than Cal Poly, who is not going to make the playoffs). Big Sky only gets three. Or th Cats get in and we don't. No matter how much I loved watching the Cats lose at home last Saturday, that loss may actually play a huge role in whether or not the Griz get in because if they win that game, SUU is basically eliminated from the conversation.

I see a lot of people on here wanting SUU to beat NAU so that the Griz get a seed. However, if the Cats beat the Griz, we better hope NAU gets the win or the Griz are on the bubble. I think too many of us are way over confident in what direction the committee will go with this.

Theres a lot if mediocre teams with a total of 13 bids. Other threads have laid it out but if we didn't get in with 9-3 we would be snubbed out by many 8-4 teams and I highly doubt the selection committee would make that decision

 

[Htowngriz]

My point is that the Griz aren't a 'lock' or 'guaranteed' a playoff spot. I'd say the probability today of the Griz making the playoffs is something like 90%. If the Griz lose and SUU wins, that number goes down, down, down.

I think you may be right. This whole " we are a lock" to get in thing is simply not true. At 9-3, I see a couple of scenarios where we may not get in. There is a chance that neither the Griz nor the Cats get in. Cats win this weekend and SUU wins, Cats could get snubbed because of four losses and Griz get snubbed because of no quality wins (other than Cal Poly, who is not going to make the playoffs). Big Sky only gets three. Or th Cats get in and we don't. No matter how much I loved watching the Cats lose at home last Saturday, that loss may actually play a huge role in whether or not the Griz get in because if they win that game, SUU is basically eliminated from the conversation.

I see a lot of people on here wanting SUU to beat NAU so that the Griz get a seed. However, if the Cats beat the Griz, we better hope NAU gets the win or the Griz are on the bubble. I think too many of us are way over confident in what direction the committee will go with this.

And you're clearly underestimating how much influence the massive gate we bring the NCAA will have on their decision. Also remember that there are 13 at large bids now and no there's no official limit to how many teams they can take from each conference.

 

[Eriul]

Should just put them in the sugar bowl.

There you go being an idiot just because you can not actually dispute the argument.

Lol there you go being derogatory for no reason because you're upset I disagree with you. Maybe I agreed on your last statement. Maybe I honestly just don't want to argue with you anymore. Maybe you should get educated. Just maybe...

So I post logical information that you do not agree with and I am uneducated? You make a dumb post and I call you out on it, but I am being derogatory? Whatever makes you sleep at night.

I called you uneducated because you can't take someone disagreeing with you without being an ass about it. You call me an idiot yet I have a masters degree...like seriously kid join a debate team or something because you don't handle conflict well. I openly and nicely said I disagree with you yet you keep wanting to beat your point silly and fact is that I disagree and I'm an "idiot with dumb posts"

I disagree with you. Deal with it.