Could the Griz get left out of the playoffs?

[get'em_griz]

The sports network and coaches polls have nothing to do with who gets in and who doesn't. The Griz could lose and be ranked in the top ten and realistically get left out with SUU and MSU getting in. Not likely, but it could happen. I just don't think that the 5th ranked conference will get 5 teams in. As someone else pointed out, SUU and MSU win, Montana is the fifth team from the Big Sky. We will be on the bubble, no way I am getting too comfortable thinking we are an automatic. You just never know what the committee will do.

There is so much wrong with this post... How is the big sky "ranked 5th" yet rankings apparently don't mean anything? Listen the big sky is the best conf and everyone knows that. Do some research and find out how many at large bids there are and look at other conferences and find me more deserving teams than that number. Fact is you won't find 13...I don't quite understand how you think suu would be favored over montana based off of conference standings that don't matter...

The Big Sky is ranked 5th in terms of strength. There is no official conference rankings I am just pointing out the fact that the Big Sky is not looked upon as the top conference, not even top three. With that being said, I am just not sure the Big Sky would get five teams in. Not saying it won't happen, just my opinion. Historically, the Big Sky has been lucky to get two, and rarely, three teams in. With the expanded field, I see us getting 4 but not so sure about 5. My whole point is that if MSU and SUU win, we may end up in that five position based on who beat who. If they only take four, the Griz could be the ones left out. I am not saying that this will happen, just saying that there is a chance. I understand that the Griz at 9-3 would be hard to leave out of the playoffs, but the committee will have to make some tough choices and we have seen some head scratchers in years past. I don't think that there is anything "wrong" with my post, just trying to open up some thoughtful conversation, plain and simple. (I know, that is pretty much impossible to do on egriz).

Seriously... A 9-3 Griz team WILL NOT BE LEFT OUT! Even if that scenario of the Griz being the 5th-place team in the Big Sky were to play out, there are not enough teams in the top 25 who will have a 9-3 record or better to keep the Griz out of the playoffs. Like others have said, our conference standing means jack squat except for earning the auto bid. After that, you are competing against teams from other conferences. We are locked in the playoffs.

 

[tnt]

Besides the MVC and CAA what other two conferences are ranked above the Big Sky?

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

Playing devils advocate, if SUU wins and UM loses, SUU would have victories over NAU and MSU while UM would have lost to both. To some that would seem like a more deserving team.

 

[uofmman1122]

Besides the MVC and CAA what other two conferences are ranked above the Big Sky?

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I also understand the point of view that if UM loses and SUU wins, that the Griz could be looked at as the 5th team from the BSC. I would be fairly certain this would not matter and the Griz are in, but I get the hesitation of being positive that the committee would take 5 teams from a conference. In this scenario, I would be 99.99% sure the Griz are in, but it still boils down to a human selection committee, and sometimes people can be hard to figure out.

 

[marceagfan5]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

Because the Griz would be 0-3 vs the Big Sky top 5 in this scenario and SUU would be 2-1. On top of that SUU would only have 2 FCS losses (they have an FBS loss) compared to Montana's 3 FCS losses.

Again the Griz are in, but those arguments will be made. Take care of business against the Cats and none of it matters...

 

[Eriul]

I'm trying to wrap my head around these "conference rankings" tell me how any other conference is better when we have 4-5 in the top 25 and 3 in the top 10. We have as many teams in the top 10 as mvc in the top 25

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Psssst. Let's just tell the team that if they lose, they're out of the playoffs. Even if it's wrong.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Besides the MVC and CAA what other two conferences are ranked above the Big Sky?

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

Maybe so, but as of this morning, the Big Sky is ranked as the 6th best FCS conference by RPI.

Colonial
Southland
Big South
MVC
OVC
Big Sky

 

[marceagfan5]

I'm trying to wrap my head around these "conference rankings" tell me how any other conference is better when we have 4-5 in the top 25 and 3 in the top 10. We have as many teams in the top 10 as mvc in the top 25

Most of it is based on how big sky teams do against out of conference opponents. Technically I think even the Ivy League is ahead of the Big Sky is some rankings right now, which is a joke.

A lot of it has to do with the fact that most Big Sky teams play D2, FBS, or each other in out of conference games based on $ and geography. When Big Sky teams do play other FCS teams, they haven't done so well lately. Montana over App and South Dakota were a few of the victories this year, but those teams aren't very good so that doesn't help. EWU losing to SHSU, MSU losing to SFA, Cal Poly losing at home to Yale all hurt the Big Sky, as did UND losing to SDSU and UNC losing to UNI...

Because of losses like above, the conference isn't ranked that way, although, in reality, the Big Sky is a top 3 conference.

 

[get'em_griz]

Besides the MVC and CAA what other two conferences are ranked above the Big Sky?

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

Maybe so, but as of this morning, the Big Sky is ranked as the 6th best FCS conference by RPI.

Colonial
Southland
Big South
MVC
OVC
Big Sky

Well when you have more teams in the conference than any other... If you take out the bottom dwellers of the conference that are weighing it down, the Big Sky becomes the top conference by far.

 

[Eriul]

I guess I look at losses as more important than wins. Suu has a couple quality wins but a bad loss. Montana's losses are to all good teams and the nau game is really the only blemish on our record. If we lose to msu by a lot maybe that argument could be made but I feel if msu barely beat us that our 3 losses to top 10 teams isn't as bad as suu losing to uc Davis as bad as they dod

 

[Eriul]

So the same people who ignore team rankings rank conferences... I'm so confused...

 

[AllWeatherFan]

May I just interrupt this fascinating discussion for a second? Thank you.

WE ARE NOT LOSING TO MSU!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

Maybe so, but as of this morning, the Big Sky is ranked as the 6th best FCS conference by RPI.

Colonial
Southland
Big South
MVC
OVC
Big Sky

Well when you have more teams in the conference than any other... If you take out the bottom dwellers of the conference that are weighing it down, the Big Sky becomes the top conference by far.

Thanks Captain Obvious...you take the bottom teams out of any conference and they get better.

 

[tnt]

I'm trying to wrap my head around these "conference rankings" tell me how any other conference is better when we have 4-5 in the top 25 and 3 in the top 10. We have as many teams in the top 10 as mvc in the top 25

Conference rankings are based over time. When a team like say the Cats represent the conference a number of years in a row and melt down consistently in the first or second round, it does not speak well for the depth of the conference despite "rankings" other than Eastern's NC, a semifinal appearance and one semifinal appearance By UM the last five years. Not much has happened to bolster the BSC reputation.

Contrast that with some other conferences performance (like MVC) and a picture emerges. The big sky has out of 13 teams have five competitors (big records) They suck for the most part in the playoffs (wonder why NAU wasn't asked back despite a 9-3 last year?)

 

[uofmman1122]

Southland and Ohio Valley and arguably Southern although its being realigned

It will likley be changing this season and BSC will be right behind Missouri Valley assuming of course who ever represents the BSC this year doesn't melt down as in the last few.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

Maybe so, but as of this morning, the Big Sky is ranked as the 6th best FCS conference by RPI.

Colonial
Southland
Big South
MVC
OVC
Big Sky

Well when you have more teams in the conference than any other... If you take out the bottom dwellers of the conference that are weighing it down, the Big Sky becomes the top conference by far.

Exactly. We have three or four really bad teams that drag the RPI down.

Against the rest of the FCS, the top 5 Big Sky teams are some of the best out there.

Against the top 5 from every other conference, I think the Big Sky wins most of those games.

You can't seriously suggest the OVC and Big South are better than the Big Sky. You can't even make that argument.

It's objectively ridiculous.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I guess I look at losses as more important than wins. Suu has a couple quality wins but a bad loss. Montana's losses are to all good teams and the nau game is really the only blemish on our record. If we lose to msu by a lot maybe that argument could be made but I feel if msu barely beat us that our 3 losses to top 10 teams isn't as bad as suu losing to uc Davis as bad as they dod

Quality wins will always have more weight than losses.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The best team in the Socon, and any OVC team other than EIU would likely be at best 5th in the Big Sky.

Maybe so, but as of this morning, the Big Sky is ranked as the 6th best FCS conference by RPI.

Colonial
Southland
Big South
MVC
OVC
Big Sky

Well when you have more teams in the conference than any other... If you take out the bottom dwellers of the conference that are weighing it down, the Big Sky becomes the top conference by far.

Exactly. We have three or four really bad teams that drag the RPI down.

Against the rest of the FCS, the top 5 Big Sky teams are some of the best out there.

Against the top 5 from every other conference, I think the Big Sky wins most of those games.

You can't seriously suggest the OVC and Big South are better than the Big Sky. You can't even make that argument.

It's objectively ridiculous.

Point being, it is all depends on how the numbers are interpreted, and not everyone will do so the same.

 

[Harm]

Conference standings and rankings aside...A 9-3 GRIZ team OUTBIDS any other potentially in front of us via close wins wise.....$$$$ beats a close win loss records comparison...