Could the Griz get left out of the playoffs?

[marceagfan5]

It's a possibility but highly unlikely.

For all those that think they don't look at conference standings, thats a joke. If that were the case, 3-4 teams from crap conferences would get in every year based on records alone, they look at the strength of the conference as a whole and can look at how you finish in conference. The Big Sky is rated as the 5th FCS conference right now...A 3 loss NAU team didn't even make it in last year and they had an FBS win...

Also, taking 5 teams from the Big Sky is a HUGE stretch, so is probably 4. When the playoffs were 16 and 20 teams, the Big Sky rarely had 3 teams make the field, now we expect 5? The reason the CAA had 5 teams in was because their conference was ranked as the best conference or 2nd best conference every year.

Looking at where the Griz are at in the polls though, I doubt they are left out regardless if they and NAU both lose on Saturday.

They don't care where you finish in conf. Those trap conf. Just dont get attention cause they all suck and never win playoff games. Were in take it to the bank

Ya, looking again at where the Griz are positioned in the polls, no way they don't get in. There's an argument to be made, but it won't hold ground. Plus, the Griz are a moneymaker in the playoffs, the NCAA doesn't want to leave them out. They say its not about $$$, but.....

 

[Rockmeister]

This scenario has me nervous. If the Cats beat the Griz and SUU beats NAU, is there a chance the Cats get in instead of us? I don't think there is anyway that five make it from the Big Sky. While we would have a better record than the Cats, one of their losses is to an FBS team so if you throw that loss out and throw out our win over a DII, we have the same record with the Cats having the advantage with a win over NAU. SUU wins, I don't see how they get left out with one loss to FBS and one win over an FBS. It would then come down to EWU, NAU, SUU, an either Montana or MSU. Not saying that this will happen but I think there is a chance. Griz need to get the win, period!

This is ridiculous! Are you saying that the number 5 ranked team in the country loses one game and totally drops out of the playoffs. That's crazy! The selection committee is not that stupid. The Big Sky standings or any other conferences standings will have nothing to do with the selections. (Fordham is 0-0 in conference, so they shouldn't go?) They're going to take the best 24 teams--other than those that get an automatic bid. The BSC is up this year compared to most of the other conferences.

Of course, the Griz are going bury MSU 42-17 and none of this argument will matter. :thumb:

 

[mcg]

It's a possibility but highly unlikely.

For all those that think they don't look at conference standings, thats a joke. If that were the case, 3-4 teams from crap conferences would get in every year based on records alone, they look at the strength of the conference as a whole and can look at how you finish in conference. The Big Sky is rated as the 5th FCS conference right now...A 3 loss NAU team didn't even make it in last year and they had an FBS win...

Also, taking 5 teams from the Big Sky is a HUGE stretch, so is probably 4. When the playoffs were 16 and 20 teams, the Big Sky rarely had 3 teams make the field, now we expect 5? The reason the CAA had 5 teams in was because their conference was ranked as the best conference or 2nd best conference every year.

Looking at where the Griz are at in the polls though, I doubt they are left out regardless if they and NAU both lose on Saturday.

You don't think well get 4 teams in when we have ranked 3 7 8 and 12? That's... Interesting

No its getting a fith team in, that the problem. A win by SUU and a loss by UM makes UM the fifth team. You don't think UM will stay 7th with a loss to MSU do you???? Many ranked teams haven't made it to the Play offs.

I'll be very nervous if the Griz lose and SUU wins. Could 5 BSC teams go to the playoffs? Maybe, but there are a finite number of spots and there will be a lot of candidates for the last 2 or 3. Much will depend on what happens in other conferences. If four BSC teams are picked in this scenario it would seem to SUU would have beaten the kitties, the kitties would have beaten the Griz and the Griz would have defeated who exactly?

Anything could happen, but the best plan is for the Griz to beat the kitties.

 

[GrizMusician]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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[Eriul]

It's a possibility but highly unlikely.

For all those that think they don't look at conference standings, thats a joke. If that were the case, 3-4 teams from crap conferences would get in every year based on records alone, they look at the strength of the conference as a whole and can look at how you finish in conference. The Big Sky is rated as the 5th FCS conference right now...A 3 loss NAU team didn't even make it in last year and they had an FBS win...

Also, taking 5 teams from the Big Sky is a HUGE stretch, so is probably 4. When the playoffs were 16 and 20 teams, the Big Sky rarely had 3 teams make the field, now we expect 5? The reason the CAA had 5 teams in was because their conference was ranked as the best conference or 2nd best conference every year.

Looking at where the Griz are at in the polls though, I doubt they are left out regardless if they and NAU both lose on Saturday.

You don't think well get 4 teams in when we have ranked 3 7 8 and 12? That's... Interesting

MSU won't be ranked in the top 10 anymore, probably not in the top 15. If the Griz beat them next Saturday, they are done and most likely, so is the loser of the NAU/SUU game...

How would nau be out? Wtf... They're a top 10 team with their only losses coming to fbs Arizona and 2 ranked teams... Are you guys aware of other conferences? Guys do me a favor and go read sports network articles about it. There were 2 articles written last week about this and they both say that 5 teams is very possible

 

[get'em_griz]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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There are a ton of posters, who for some reason, can't seem to understand that very concept.

 

[Eriul]

It's a possibility but highly unlikely.

For all those that think they don't look at conference standings, thats a joke. If that were the case, 3-4 teams from crap conferences would get in every year based on records alone, they look at the strength of the conference as a whole and can look at how you finish in conference. The Big Sky is rated as the 5th FCS conference right now...A 3 loss NAU team didn't even make it in last year and they had an FBS win...

Also, taking 5 teams from the Big Sky is a HUGE stretch, so is probably 4. When the playoffs were 16 and 20 teams, the Big Sky rarely had 3 teams make the field, now we expect 5? The reason the CAA had 5 teams in was because their conference was ranked as the best conference or 2nd best conference every year.

Looking at where the Griz are at in the polls though, I doubt they are left out regardless if they and NAU both lose on Saturday.

You don't think well get 4 teams in when we have ranked 3 7 8 and 12? That's... Interesting

No its getting a fith team in, that the problem. A win by SUU and a loss by UM makes UM the fifth team. You don't think UM will stay 7th with a loss to MSU do you???? Many ranked teams haven't made it to the Play offs.

I think well be top 12 and how do you leave out a top 12 team in a 24 team system

 

[GrizzleMoose]

The sports network and coaches polls have nothing to do with who gets in and who doesn't. The Griz could lose and be ranked in the top ten and realistically get left out with SUU and MSU getting in. Not likely, but it could happen. I just don't think that the 5th ranked conference will get 5 teams in. As someone else pointed out, SUU and MSU win, Montana is the fifth team from the Big Sky. We will be on the bubble, no way I am getting too comfortable thinking we are an automatic. You just never know what the committee will do.

 

[GrizMusician]

It's a possibility but highly unlikely.

For all those that think they don't look at conference standings, thats a joke. If that were the case, 3-4 teams from crap conferences would get in every year based on records alone, they look at the strength of the conference as a whole and can look at how you finish in conference. The Big Sky is rated as the 5th FCS conference right now...A 3 loss NAU team didn't even make it in last year and they had an FBS win...

Also, taking 5 teams from the Big Sky is a HUGE stretch, so is probably 4. When the playoffs were 16 and 20 teams, the Big Sky rarely had 3 teams make the field, now we expect 5? The reason the CAA had 5 teams in was because their conference was ranked as the best conference or 2nd best conference every year.

Looking at where the Griz are at in the polls though, I doubt they are left out regardless if they and NAU both lose on Saturday.

You don't think well get 4 teams in when we have ranked 3 7 8 and 12? That's... Interesting

No its getting a fith team in, that the problem. A win by SUU and a loss by UM makes UM the fifth team. You don't think UM will stay 7th with a loss to MSU do you???? Many ranked teams haven't made it to the Play offs.

I think well be top 12 and how do you leave out a top 12 team in a 24 team system

Apparently the committee doesn't use the polls when making the decision... but what people don't seem to realize is the it is a very good indicator for how things will pan out considering it reflects what the best teams are pretty well. I can definitely see some discrepancies once you start to get down around the 16/18-24 range though.

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[Eriul]

The sports network and coaches polls have nothing to do with who gets in and who doesn't. The Griz could lose and be ranked in the top ten and realistically get left out with SUU and MSU getting in. Not likely, but it could happen. I just don't think that the 5th ranked conference will get 5 teams in. As someone else pointed out, SUU and MSU win, Montana is the fifth team from the Big Sky. We will be on the bubble, no way I am getting too comfortable thinking we are an automatic. You just never know what the committee will do.

There is so much wrong with this post... How is the big sky "ranked 5th" yet rankings apparently don't mean anything? Listen the big sky is the best conf and everyone knows that. Do some research and find out how many at large bids there are and look at other conferences and find me more deserving teams than that number. Fact is you won't find 13...I don't quite understand how you think suu would be favored over montana based off of conference standings that don't matter...

 

[tnt]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

 

[Eriul]

You don't think well get 4 teams in when we have ranked 3 7 8 and 12? That's... Interesting

No its getting a fith team in, that the problem. A win by SUU and a loss by UM makes UM the fifth team. You don't think UM will stay 7th with a loss to MSU do you???? Many ranked teams haven't made it to the Play offs.

I think well be top 12 and how do you leave out a top 12 team in a 24 team system

Apparently the committee doesn't use the polls when making the decision... but what people don't seem to realize is the it is a very good indicator for how things will pan out considering it reflects what the best teams are pretty well. I can definitely see some discrepancies once you start to get down around the 16/18-24 range though.

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I understand that the rankings don't mean anything but these rankings aren't made by people who don't pay attention. The people that make these rankings are infinitely more informed than the people on here who only see our conference and don't understand the phrase "24 team playoffs." I agree with you musician and yes stranger things have happened but imagine the outcry if a 9-3 top 12 montana team(the most prestigious fcs program left) doesn't get in

 

[Eriul]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

 

[mcg]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

They would have defeated both NAU and the kitties and an FBS team.

 

[uofmman1122]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

Seriously? You don't get it?

They arbitrarily and by chance had an easier conference schedule and, despite having a worse record than the Griz against an easier schedule, would get in over us simply because they are higher up in the completely meaningless-in-the-eyes-of-the-committee conference standings even though they'll likely be ranked lower than the Griz.

Jesus guys, this isn't rocket science. :roll:

 

[Eriul]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

They would have defeated both NAU and the kitties and an FBS team.

Their fbs win is about the quality of a mediocre fcs team and they also lost to a sub par uc davis. Montana would have only losses to ranked teams... I highly doubt they will take suu over montana in that scenario

 

[Eriul]

No. Try to find 23 other teams that would be more "deserving" than a 9-3 Grizzly team.

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You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

Seriously? You don't get it?

They arbitrarily and by chance had an easier conference schedule and, despite having a worse record than the Griz against an easier schedule, would get in over us simply because they are higher up in the completely meaningless-in-the-eyes-of-the-committee conference standings even though they'll likely be ranked lower than the Griz.

Jesus guys, this isn't rocket science. :roll:

It's early and I can't tell how much of this is sarcasm

 

[uofmman1122]

You understand that if UM loses to MSU, that you DON'T want to try that argument right? EWU, MSU, NAU, and SUU (especially if they beat NAU) would all be more deserving in our conference alone (having all beat a team with a winning record.) Then there is a question of how "deserving" the BSC itself is. Couple that with 11 other auto bids and another 7 or 8 deserving teams from those confernces that all beat teams with winning records.... and well the next thing you know its pretty muddy.

Woah... How is suu more deserving than montana in that scenario?

Seriously? You don't get it?

They arbitrarily and by chance had an easier conference schedule and, despite having a worse record than the Griz against an easier schedule, would get in over us simply because they are higher up in the completely meaningless-in-the-eyes-of-the-committee conference standings even though they'll likely be ranked lower than the Griz.

Jesus guys, this isn't rocket science. :roll:

It's early and I can't tell how much of this is sarcasm

Hint:

All of it.

:lol:

 

[GrizzleMoose]

The sports network and coaches polls have nothing to do with who gets in and who doesn't. The Griz could lose and be ranked in the top ten and realistically get left out with SUU and MSU getting in. Not likely, but it could happen. I just don't think that the 5th ranked conference will get 5 teams in. As someone else pointed out, SUU and MSU win, Montana is the fifth team from the Big Sky. We will be on the bubble, no way I am getting too comfortable thinking we are an automatic. You just never know what the committee will do.

There is so much wrong with this post... How is the big sky "ranked 5th" yet rankings apparently don't mean anything? Listen the big sky is the best conf and everyone knows that. Do some research and find out how many at large bids there are and look at other conferences and find me more deserving teams than that number. Fact is you won't find 13...I don't quite understand how you think suu would be favored over montana based off of conference standings that don't matter...

The Big Sky is ranked 5th in terms of strength. There is no official conference rankings I am just pointing out the fact that the Big Sky is not looked upon as the top conference, not even top three. With that being said, I am just not sure the Big Sky would get five teams in. Not saying it won't happen, just my opinion. Historically, the Big Sky has been lucky to get two, and rarely, three teams in. With the expanded field, I see us getting 4 but not so sure about 5. My whole point is that if MSU and SUU win, we may end up in that five position based on who beat who. If they only take four, the Griz could be the ones left out. I am not saying that this will happen, just saying that there is a chance. I understand that the Griz at 9-3 would be hard to leave out of the playoffs, but the committee will have to make some tough choices and we have seen some head scratchers in years past. I don't think that there is anything "wrong" with my post, just trying to open up some thoughtful conversation, plain and simple. (I know, that is pretty much impossible to do on egriz).

 

[kurtismichael]

Besides the MVC and CAA what other two conferences are ranked above the Big Sky?