Could Montana's Brady Gustafson Be the Next Carson Wentz?

[speth]

Appreciate BG's career and efforts as a Griz. He had his moments but it is not surprising that the NFL does not consider him to be NFL talent - very few are in that category. As far as Stit, it all comes down to the win loss record eventually. He has one more year. Hopefully he will come through. As far as the criticism of Delaney, I liked his offense better - at least you knew what his philosophy was.

 

[sdk.catfish]

Post by ordigger » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:04 pm

If he can be consistent, he will be better than Carson Wentz who is the most overrated QB coming out of the FCS in history.

So interesting to go back to year old posts to get a sense of recognition of a posters sanity.

 

[AZGrizFan]

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BG being the starter against UNC would guarantee nothing. It would seem to be wishful thinking by whomever you spoke. And it seems that BG did play against MSU, and played poorly in a loss.

BG was the best QB on the team. He has sufficiently healed to start against UNC. He was apparently told he would start, and then didn't. Irked some players. His backup didn't play well, resulting in a loss. The UNC would have helped get the mini rust out for BG. Would have beaten the Cats.

I will take my sources over your unknowledgeable, uninformed and uneducated guesses anytime. You don't have to agree with me, but my statement was based on considerably more than wishful thinking.

PR, for being a self proclaimed smart person, it is pure speculation on both you and your sources part in assuming a victory if BG started against UNC. You are making it sound like it would have been a slam dunk, and I am afraid to tell you it was far from that. It is also nothing but speculation that they would have beaten the cats based on the ol' "he wouldn't have been rusty" excuse. Could they have won at UNC if BG played...maybe....maybe not.

When I get info from players, in fact starters, on the team, I feel confident in my info. No, I didn't say it was a slam dunk. However, it is far from speculation.

I find it interesting how often that people who have no information and haven't talked to anyone in the know, and who often don't have much knowledge of the game, can declare that people who have good information are wrong. You are one of the worst offenders. Just because you don't know what's going on with the program doesn't mean that some of the rest of us don't know. You don't have to agree; in fact, you can disagree. But don't me my info is wrong or speculation. It isn't.

I suppose you are going to tell PlayerDad that he doesn't know what he's talking about with the o-line. Ha. I used to love the posters who told me I was wrong about what O'Day had done or said, when I had just talked to him or texted him (and verified that my info was correct).

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

[dupuyer griz]

Was wondering when this would show up.


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[HelenaHandBasket]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

 

[AZGrizFan]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

:lol:

A two-fer!

 

[PlayerRep]

Have you talked to any of the team about this subject? Not wishful thinking at all.

BG being the starter against UNC would guarantee nothing. It would seem to be wishful thinking by whomever you spoke. And it seems that BG did play against MSU, and played poorly in a loss.

BG was the best QB on the team. He has sufficiently healed to start against UNC. He was apparently told he would start, and then didn't. Irked some players. His backup didn't play well, resulting in a loss. The UNC would have helped get the mini rust out for BG. Would have beaten the Cats.

I will take my sources over your unknowledgeable, uninformed and uneducated guesses anytime. You don't have to agree with me, but my statement was based on considerably more than wishful thinking.

So you are saying Stitt's decision likely cost Griz two wins and a playoff bid....

No. Selle's. Ha.

 

[PlayerRep]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

 

[casewinter13]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

Players thinking he should've started certainly isn't speculation-it's opinion. Assuming he would've won is also opinion and the definition of speculation... How do you get a law degree and not know that? Educated guesses are still guesses.

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[HelenaHandBasket]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

I guess that makes it a fact that they would have won. Let me give you another...

assumption
[uh-suhmp-shuh n]

noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition

Those players can speculate, conject, assume, guess, and surmise all they want. But that does not mean the final outcomes of either game would have been any different if BG would have started and played at UNC. Hell, it is even possible that they could have lost worse. Not quite sure how this is so difficult to grasp. I don't disagree that players may feel that BG should have started, but that is an independent and nonsupporting argument as to whether they win.

 

[uofmman1122]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

Don't put this on the players, man.

YOU said this:

[...]BG should have been the qb in the No Colo game. UM would have won that game and the Cat game. How's that? Is that what you were expecting?

 

[PlayerRep]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

 

[PlayerRep]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

Don't put this on the players, man.

YOU said this:

[...]BG should have been the qb in the No Colo game. UM would have won that game and the Cat game. How's that? Is that what you were expecting?

Players told me. That's what I based my opinion on.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

This still does not prove that the Griz win the last 2 games if BG starts at UNC.

 

[PlayerRep]

You might want to look up the definition of "speculation". I do not think that word means what you think it means.

spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

con·jec·ture
kənˈjekCHər
noun
1.
an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

synonyms: speculation, guesswork, surmise, fancy, presumption, assumption, theory, postulation, supposition

I threw in conjecture for free.

Players thinking BG should have started and would have won the game is neither speculation, conjecture, lacking firm evidence, guesswork, etc. HHH, you just proved yourself wrong, in fact completely wrong. Thx.

I guess that makes it a fact that they would have won. Let me give you another...

assumption
[uh-suhmp-shuh n]

noun
1.
something taken for granted; a supposition

Those players can speculate, conject, assume, guess, and surmise all they want. But that does not mean the final outcomes of either game would have been any different if BG would have started and played at UNC. Hell, it is even possible that they could have lost worse. Not quite sure how this is so difficult to grasp. I don't disagree that players may feel that BG should have started, but that is an independent and nonsupporting argument as to whether they win.

I never said it was a "fact". The fact is that you don't have any good or inside information on the subject, and what you are saying is pure speculation and conjecture. You prove yourself wrong frequently. Often make a fool of yourself. You are one of several posters whoI think don't have a clue about football or Griz football. This is yet another example.

 

[PlayerRep]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

This still does not prove that the Griz win the last 2 games if BG starts at UNC.

Almost nothing said on this board can be proved. However, what I posted does prove that you have no clue what you are talking about on football or Griz football, or on this subject. Let's see if you can "prove" me wrong. Ha. What an idiot you are.

 

[casewinter13]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

None of those stats undo the definitions of speculation, assumption or opinion. They're still making assumptions without any possible way of knowing. Words have meanings...this is a weird point to try and argue.

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[HelenaHandBasket]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

This still does not prove that the Griz win the last 2 games if BG starts at UNC.

Almost nothing said on this board can be proved. However, what I posted does prove that you have no clue what you are talking about on football or Griz football, or on this subject. Let's see if you can "prove" me wrong. Ha. What an idiot you are.

You stated the Griz would have won if BG started at UNC to which I called that nothing but speculation, which it is. You then stated that is how the players feel to support your statement. I never debated that players felt that way, what I said was that no matter how they feel, it is still speculative by all, which it is. It doesn't even matter what I do or don't know. You then try to talk about all the sacks that Chalich took, which once again does not have any bearing whatsoever on what the outcome would have been had BG started. Not sure what you want me to prove you wrong about other than you not understanding what opinion, speculation, conjecture, and assumption are. Seems to me you are the idiot.

 

[PlayerRep]

Chalich was sacked 9 times in his 2 starts. Against UNC, sacked 6 times, on 172 yards passing. The Griz had 15 other sacks on the seasons. If all of those were BG, then was less than 2 sacks per game. BG was sacked 3 times only once. Chalich left the pocket too soon frequently and gave up passing opportunities.

This still does not prove that the Griz win the last 2 games if BG starts at UNC.

Almost nothing said on this board can be proved. However, what I posted does prove that you have no clue what you are talking about on football or Griz football, or on this subject. Let's see if you can "prove" me wrong. Ha. What an idiot you are.

You stated the Griz would have won if BG started at UNC to which I called that nothing but speculation, which it is. You then stated that is how the players feel to support your statement. I never debated that players felt that way, what I said was that no matter how they feel, it is still speculative by all, which it is. It doesn't even matter what I do or don't know. You then try to talk about all the sacks that Chalich took, which once again does not have any bearing whatsoever on what the outcome would have been had BG started. Not sure what you want me to prove you wrong about other than you not understanding what opinion, speculation, conjecture, and assumption are. Seems to me you are the idiot.

As I said, I will take the views of players over your uninformed and unknowledgeable speculation anytime. Feel free to babble on. You are the one speculating, not me.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

This still does not prove that the Griz win the last 2 games if BG starts at UNC.

Almost nothing said on this board can be proved. However, what I posted does prove that you have no clue what you are talking about on football or Griz football, or on this subject. Let's see if you can "prove" me wrong. Ha. What an idiot you are.

You stated the Griz would have won if BG started at UNC to which I called that nothing but speculation, which it is. You then stated that is how the players feel to support your statement. I never debated that players felt that way, what I said was that no matter how they feel, it is still speculative by all, which it is. It doesn't even matter what I do or don't know. You then try to talk about all the sacks that Chalich took, which once again does not have any bearing whatsoever on what the outcome would have been had BG started. Not sure what you want me to prove you wrong about other than you not understanding what opinion, speculation, conjecture, and assumption are. Seems to me you are the idiot.

As I said, I will take the views of players over your uninformed and unknowledgeable speculation anytime. Feel free to babble on. You are the one speculating, not me.

You do realize that even if the players feel that way, it is still speculation on there part. And by you stating what they told you, is just you stating their opinion. Which of course does not mean they win either of those games if BG starts at UNC. It just seems to make you feel good because a couple players shared there opinion, assumption, speculation, that they could have won both games. It doesn't change the reality that they didn't.