Chalich is the type of QB this offense was made for.

[AZGrizFan]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

 

[RayWill]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Looked good against CPSLO. Coverage breakdowns were responsible for at least one of the turnovers. Not a great defense but slightly above average. SUU was decent defensively and he looked pretty good there too. Although I like Chalich. Wish we had him for one more year.

 

[Eriul]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

 

[George Ferguson]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Again AZ, I love you, but come on. His first ever start. And yes, I'm well aware NDSU made adjustments and kicked the Griz' ass when it mattered in the playoffs. I was there actually. But, it still counts as BG having a good game.

Bottom line, at the end of the day, this is just the usual Egriz banter. And I like Egriz banter or I wouldn't participate. But even if there was 10,000 people posting on here calling for Brady's scapl, instead of five, it wouldn't matter. We all know who will start when he's given a clean bill of health. How do we know? Because the guy that makes that decision, well actually two guys, because Selle is given a lot of input, already said who Montana's starting QB continues to be. So the discussion, like everything else on this board involving decisions that can only be made by the coaching staff, is rendered moot.

 

[RayWill]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

People said the same things about DD.

 

[AZGrizFan]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Again AZ, I love you, but come on. His first ever start. And yes, I'm well aware NDSU made adjustments and kicked the Griz' ass when it mattered in the playoffs. I was there actually. But, it still counts as BG having a good game.

Bottom line, at the end of the day, this is just the usual Egriz banter. And I like Egriz banter or I wouldn't participate. But even if there was 10,000 people posting on here calling for Brady's scapl, instead of five, it wouldn't matter. We all know who will start when he's given a clean bill of health. How do we know? Because the guy that makes that decision, well actually two guys, because Selle is given a lot of input, already said who Montana's starting QB continues to be. So the discussion, like everything else on this board involving decisions that can only be made by the coaching staff, is rendered moot.

Well no shit Sherlock. I'm no PR....I don't hAve that kind of pull I Stitt's office...[emoji16]


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[zirge]

Yes, sometimes, but I thought he left the pocket and stopped looking for the pass too soon on several occasions. So we don't agree on the "nothing else" comment. Also, I think BG stands in the pocket nicely and makes some good throws by staying in the pocket. Better vision downfield when in the pocket.

Seems that Chalich had pretty decent vision down the field yesterday. Chalich may move too soon, and BG may sit in the pocket nicely. But I also watch BG throw more balls away sitting in the pocket when Chalich didn't because he either made positive yards by either running or extending the play until someone came open. I get it, they are different QB's. I just think that the mobility shown by Chalich makes more things happen than BG sitting in the pocket, especially behind this OL. I also get that Stitt will play BG when healthy. So I am just hoping that in the future, the QB can be more mobile, because I think it will be a positive for the offense.

i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.

It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

geez, i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned were terrifically thrown balls and catches especially those made in the northend zone for touchdowns............ which i have a nice upper side view just to see how well they were thrown where only the receiver could get to it.
this guy played excellent and, as a fan, was very impressed with his throwing ability and the outstanding catches made by all the receivers due to those throws.
it was a fun game to watch with more taste than vanilla. chad thanks for changing the flavor.

 

[kemajic]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

And how did he do against NDSU 2? NDSU2 was a far better defender than NDSU1, which featured that hopeless DB, #5. He put up 16 against EWU this year when they were allowing 33. Was unable to keep us in the game against their less than stellar defense.

 

[PlayerRep]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

I don't know any qb's like that. Certainly not BG. He runs on occasion. He doesn't get sacked much. In fact, how do you explain that Chalich, throwing way fewer passes than BG does, got sacked more than BG has in any game this season (and that doesn't include the early fumble, which would have been a sack). BG doesn't have happy feet. One could make an argument that Chalich did on some plays, tho. By staying in the pocket, BG does get through his progressions. By flushing early, Chalich didn't get through his possessions at times. Note, however, that I liked Chalich's performance overall on Saturday. Thought he was terrific.

 

[PlayerRep]

Seems that Chalich had pretty decent vision down the field yesterday. Chalich may move too soon, and BG may sit in the pocket nicely. But I also watch BG throw more balls away sitting in the pocket when Chalich didn't because he either made positive yards by either running or extending the play until someone came open. I get it, they are different QB's. I just think that the mobility shown by Chalich makes more things happen than BG sitting in the pocket, especially behind this OL. I also get that Stitt will play BG when healthy. So I am just hoping that in the future, the QB can be more mobile, because I think it will be a positive for the offense.

i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.

It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

geez, i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned were terrifically thrown balls and catches especially those made in the northend zone for touchdowns............ which i have a nice upper side view just to see how well they were thrown where only the receiver could get to it.
this guy played excellent and, as a fan, was very impressed with his throwing ability and the outstanding catches made by all the receivers due to those throws.
it was a fun game to watch with more taste than vanilla. chad thanks for changing the flavor.

Could you just answer the question? I answered yours.

 

[UMGriz75]

And yes, I'm well aware NDSU made adjustments and kicked the Griz' ass when it mattered in the playoffs. I was there actually. But, it still counts as BG having a good game.

If that was a "good" game, then it is easy to see why you and Eruil believe he cannot have a "bad" game. You have redefined the meaning of the words to accommodate your views of Brady Gustafson.

 

[RayWill]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

And how did he do against NDSU 2? NDSU2 was a far better defender than NDSU1, which featured that hopeless DB, #5. He put up 16 against EWU this year when they were allowing 33. Was unable to keep us in the game against their less than stellar defense.

Liek both Qb's but to be fair four dropped TD passes by the receivers on well thrown balls are't the QB fault

 

[AZGrizFan]

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

I don't know any qb's like that. Certainly not BG. He runs on occasion. He doesn't get sacked much. In fact, how do you explain that Chalich, throwing way fewer passes than BG does, got sacked more than BG has in any game this season (and that doesn't include the early fumble, which would have been a sack). BG doesn't have happy feet. One could make an argument that Chalich did on some plays, tho. By staying in the pocket, BG does get through his progressions. By flushing early, Chalich didn't get through his possessions at times.

Then you are blind to the truth. Or is he just sailing passes repeatedly 10 feet over receivers heads because he lacks talent? Which is it?

 

[PlayerRep]

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

I don't know any qb's like that. Certainly not BG. He runs on occasion. He doesn't get sacked much. In fact, how do you explain that Chalich, throwing way fewer passes than BG does, got sacked more than BG has in any game this season (and that doesn't include the early fumble, which would have been a sack). BG doesn't have happy feet. One could make an argument that Chalich did on some plays, tho. By staying in the pocket, BG does get through his progressions. By flushing early, Chalich didn't get through his possessions at times.

Then you are blind to the truth. Or is he just sailing passes repeatedly 10 feet over receivers heads because he lacks talent? Which is it?

That was only 1 of multiple things mentioned in the post. But if that's the one you want to discuss, that's okay. Which passes in particular are you talking about? BG intentionally throws some balls long, because he is not comfortable with the situation and is throwing the ball away, according to the coaches. Sometimes the receivers have made mistakes and run the wrong route, according to the coaches. Sometimes he's feeling early pressure from the rush, and he throws the ball long to avoid a sack, according to the coaches. Sometimes he and the receivers have miscommunicated, according to the coaches. Sometimes he's just made a bad throw. This mix varies by game. Sometimes BG is very accurate; sometimes less accurate. When receivers have nice separation, he's usually more accurate.

If you attended games more than an occasional game in person, knew some of the coaches, and knew some of the players and their families, you would know things like this.

 

[timjayko]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

And how did he do against NDSU 2? NDSU2 was a far better defender than NDSU1, which featured that hopeless DB, #5. He put up 16 against EWU this year when they were allowing 33. Was unable to keep us in the game against their less than stellar defense.

Liek both Qb's but to be fair four dropped TD passes by the receivers on well thrown balls are't the QB fault

Yeah and to be fair to the WR's overthrown balls by the QB (*cough BG) aren't the WR's fault either.
Too many overthrown balls by BG has cost us big play opportunities down the field this year. He could have 200-300 more yards and a couple more TD's from the air if Brady was better at consistently launching a ball up with enough air underneath it for our tall wide outs to go up and make a play. Chalich has been at great at doing this for instance last game against ISU.

Brady is not consistent enough this season IMO to be the starter. His performance in too many games this year has cost our offense, and team losses. He doesn't have very good QB awareness at times in the pocket (something a dedicated pocket passer really needs!) I can remember more than a couple times where Brady ends up getting sacked (sometimes fumbles lost too) in the pocket by a pass rusher because he's not aware enough to step up into the pocket in time, also he holds onto the ball too long and doesn't make quick decisions. Chalich was better in the pocket IMO, he was able to read and react to the pass rush. I would argue his QB awareness is greater than BG in the pocket, or at least his reflexes and reaction times in the pocket are better.


For anyone who is down talking Chalich's running ability and how he wasn't supposed to be running with the ball in this offense I argue this: Even if our playbook doesn't have read option run in it, if our QB is not spyed on pass downs and finds an open lane to run through in an improvised play if all the WR's are covered in that down, then that totally changes the mindset of a defense! After a play like that typically defenses will have to dedicate one defender on spying the QB to stop that from happening again, and guess what that does? Opens up a wide receiver, as it gives them more space to get open, and one less man who even if he is guarding the wide out is also thinking about stopping the QB from running again.

Overall I feel that Chalich is the better QB for this offense, and to be quite honest I feel like BG being the starter is more politics (he's a Montana boy, Chalich is not) than anything. If Montana starts Brady the next two games, and we end up not making the playoffs I'm going to point a finger at Stitt on this one, because I truly feel that Chalich is our best chance THIS YEAR with this team. He's a Senior just like Brady, and Brady has been given most of the opportunity, now its Chalich's chance, give him a chance to light up the score board again, Coach, next week!!

 

[reinell30]

WOW! Two completely different QB's. Chalich getting the start was way over due. I am not happy it came because Gus is injured. Chalich looked very good. He put the ball where the receiver had a chance to get it, Gus does this a lot but he also over throws too many times. Like EW QB, just get the ball in the area of the receiver and trust that they will go get it. The receivers in this game finally did just that. Both Curran and Calhoun made highlight catches. I do not think they get a chance at these balls if Gus is in there.
Chalich being able to run is a definite plus, most of the time. Yes it gives the defense something else to think about and it can get Chalich out of trouble, but it also can cause an issue if he becomes the run 1st instead pass 1st mentality. Gus does survey the field much better, doesn't stare down his receiver as noticeable as Chalich did. Gus does throw away the ball an awful lot though. I didn't see Chalich throw it away but maybe once?

I think we are lucky to have both being able to play QB for us!

Seeing some of those bench players get in was great. Did you notice our 4th string RB, JOEY COUNTS bull his way through the ISU line time and time again? Jon Nguyen was able to juke and jive enough off tackle to be effective again. O-Line blocking was horrendous in this game. Treshawn Favors doesnt' seem to be running with a purpose. I expected really big things from this young man and haven't seen it yet.

 

[TxGriz]

"The most popular player on any roster is the backup quarterback." ~ Lou Holtz

 

[RayWill]

WOW! Two completely different QB's. Chalich getting the start was way over due. I am not happy it came because Gus is injured. Chalich looked very good. He put the ball where the receiver had a chance to get it, Gus does this a lot but he also over throws too many times. Like EW QB, just get the ball in the area of the receiver and trust that they will go get it. The receivers in this game finally did just that. Both Curran and Calhoun made highlight catches. I do not think they get a chance at these balls if Gus is in there.
Chalich being able to run is a definite plus, most of the time. Yes it gives the defense something else to think about and it can get Chalich out of trouble, but it also can cause an issue if he becomes the run 1st instead pass 1st mentality. Gus does survey the field much better, doesn't stare down his receiver as noticeable as Chalich did. Gus does throw away the ball an awful lot though. I didn't see Chalich throw it away but maybe once?

I think we are lucky to have both being able to play QB for us!

Seeing some of those bench players get in was great. Did you notice our 4th string RB, JOEY COUNTS bull his way through the ISU line time and time again? Jon Nguyen was able to juke and jive enough off tackle to be effective again. O-Line blocking was horrendous in this game. Treshawn Favors doesnt' seem to be running with a purpose. I expected really big things from this young man and haven't seen it yet.

Agree with this entire post. I would love to see Chalich this week as well. At least a few series if he isn't getting it done go back to Brady

 

[zirge]

i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.

It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

geez, i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned were terrifically thrown balls and catches especially those made in the northend zone for touchdowns............ which i have a nice upper side view just to see how well they were thrown where only the receiver could get to it.
this guy played excellent and, as a fan, was very impressed with his throwing ability and the outstanding catches made by all the receivers due to those throws.
it was a fun game to watch with more taste than vanilla. chad thanks for changing the flavor.

Could you just answer the question? I answered yours.

to me i did, "i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned........" to say that he throws better rolling out to the left better than to the right based on the play that you mentioned, i would have to say that there is not enough evidence to comment.
my point was to point out one of his abilities that i saw that was very impressive to me, if you want to take away from that that he did'nt do this rolling out to the opposite side that is your right. i just don't see what that has to do with my first observation, based on the premise of him making a great play using this one outstaning ability
again, i thought chad played a great game, made some beautiful thrown balls, gave our receivers chances to make some incredible catches, kept our 3 and outs to a minimum, didn't throw the ball away a half a dozen times due to, like you said in another post on this thread, a myriad of reasons or variables. whether it was brady or any other of our qb, it doesn't matter if that is what you are seeing in our games. i was glad for the change, so were several other fans where i sit. they were not writing brady or any other of our qb's off they were just happy to see a different execution of our plays designed or not, improvising is a part of the game and can be used positively when necessary if you have the skills ie we were glad to see that one of those decisions was not throwing the ball away several times a game.

 

[PlayerRep]

It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

geez, i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned were terrifically thrown balls and catches especially those made in the northend zone for touchdowns............ which i have a nice upper side view just to see how well they were thrown where only the receiver could get to it.
this guy played excellent and, as a fan, was very impressed with his throwing ability and the outstanding catches made by all the receivers due to those throws.
it was a fun game to watch with more taste than vanilla. chad thanks for changing the flavor.

Could you just answer the question? I answered yours.

to me i did, "i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned........" to say that he throws better rolling out to the left better than to the right based on the play that you mentioned, i would have to say that there is not enough evidence to comment.
my point was to point out one of his abilities that i saw that was very impressive to me, if you want to take away from that that he did'nt do this rolling out to the opposite side that is your right. i just don't see what that has to do with my first observation, based on the premise of him making a great play using this one outstaning ability
again, i thought chad played a great game, made some beautiful thrown balls, gave our receivers chances to make some incredible catches, kept our 3 and outs to a minimum, didn't throw the ball away a half a dozen times due to, like you said in another post on this thread, a myriad of reasons or variables. whether it was brady or any other of our qb, it doesn't matter if that is what you are seeing in our games. i was glad for the change, so were several other fans where i sit. they were not writing brady or any other of our qb's off they were just happy to see a different execution of our plays designed or not, improvising is a part of the game and can be used positively when necessary if you have the skills ie we were glad to see that one of those decisions was not throwing the ball away several times a game.

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.