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Chalich is the type of QB this offense was made for.

AZGrizFan said:
Yukon said:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunRainey/status/795733127595331584[/tweet]

A team playing 2 QB's doesn't have a starter....rarely does this work.
Could be Stitt playing games with NOCO or Brady. Hard to say. The Chad Chalich transformation has been impressive, I think Stitt knows QBs better than 95% of D-1 coaches....so I'd be optimistic if we went 2-QB going forward.


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reinell30 said:
So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

No one is criticizing the WR's because they are level headed about this. Even the best WR's drop balls sometimes. I mean I remember one time Wes Welker dropped a wide open pass in a pretty big game for the patriots and it cost the game. It was in the news a bit because Brady's wife ended up freaking out about it or something...

The problem is when you criticize the lack of production an offense has solely on the QB when he put it in the hands of his receivers numerous times and they didn't produce. If the WR's don't drop those passes against EWU there is a chance we win that game...
 
Eriul said:
reinell30 said:
So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

No one is criticizing the WR's because they are level headed about this. Even the best WR's drop balls sometimes. I mean I remember one time Wes Welker dropped a wide open pass in a pretty big game for the patriots and it cost the game. It was in the news a bit because Brady's wife ended up freaking out about it or something...

The problem is when you criticize the lack of production an offense has solely on the QB when he put it in the hands of his receivers numerous times and they didn't produce. If the WR's don't drop those passes against EWU there is a chance we win that game...


Bad catching in one game is what is being referred too. If you want to talk bad offense, I do not blame Gus solely, I blame a lot on Stitt 1st. Then Gus and bad over throws, continuously! Then Stitt 3rd for not changing him out with Chalich so he can collect his thoughts. I am not blaming the receivers at all. I just pointed out the obvious of their drops in the EW game and Jamaal Jones drops of past years.
Gus throwing left and right is awesome, it is going up the field that puzzles me so much with him. Over throw after over throw. How long does a coach stay with a QB doing this? Stitt's answer has been to have him throw the ball left and right and make the receivers do all the work. Yes, Gus throws it left and right faster then Chalich, but CVhalich is more accurate down field.
 
brewskis said:
AZGrizFan said:
Yukon said:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunRainey/status/795733127595331584[/tweet]

A team playing 2 QB's doesn't have a starter....rarely does this work.
Could be Stitt playing games with NOCO or Brady. Hard to say. The Chad Chalich transformation has been impressive, I think Stitt knows QBs better than 95% of D-1 coaches....so I'd be optimistic if we went 2-QB going forward.


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Using two QB's and thus adding more dimension (as well as more for opposing defenses to prepare for) moving into the playoffs not to mention some additional defensive wrinkles seems to me to be a staff planning on a pretty good playoff run especially considering we will be playing teams we have played before. Doesn't mean we don't have starter. I think stitt is "playing games" with more than just NOCO. Hell he could even be playing games with egriz................
 
brewskis said:
I think Stitt knows QBs better than 95% of D-1 coaches...
Wow. I don't even know where to start on that.

What Stitt is doing is finally acknowledging what coaches have long known, that when a player is having a bad game, you get him out to break that rhythm. The "cold hand" is just as true in sports as the "hot hand." Last year, Stitt refused to acknowledge that, and we lost games because of it. This coach is on a steep D-1 learning curve.
 
UMGriz75 said:
brewskis said:
I think Stitt knows QBs better than 95% of D-1 coaches...
Wow. I don't even know where to start on that.

What Stitt is doing is finally acknowledging what coaches have long known, that when a player is having a bad game, you get him out to break that rhythm. The "cold hand" is just as true in sports as the "hot hand." Last year, Stitt refused to acknowledge that, and we lost games because of it. This coach is on a steep D-1 learning curve.
Ok.
 
reinell30 said:
Eriul said:
reinell30 said:
So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

No one is criticizing the WR's because they are level headed about this. Even the best WR's drop balls sometimes. I mean I remember one time Wes Welker dropped a wide open pass in a pretty big game for the patriots and it cost the game. It was in the news a bit because Brady's wife ended up freaking out about it or something...

The problem is when you criticize the lack of production an offense has solely on the QB when he put it in the hands of his receivers numerous times and they didn't produce. If the WR's don't drop those passes against EWU there is a chance we win that game...


Bad catching in one game is what is being referred too. If you want to talk bad offense, I do not blame Gus solely, I blame a lot on Stitt 1st. Then Gus and bad over throws, continuously! Then Stitt 3rd for not changing him out with Chalich so he can collect his thoughts. I am not blaming the receivers at all. I just pointed out the obvious of their drops in the EW game and Jamaal Jones drops of past years.
Gus throwing left and right is awesome, it is going up the field that puzzles me so much with him. Over throw after over throw. How long does a coach stay with a QB doing this? Stitt's answer has been to have him throw the ball left and right and make the receivers do all the work. Yes, Gus throws it left and right faster then Chalich, but CVhalich is more accurate down field.


You want the coach to pull our QB because he was overthrowing...I didn't count the drops but apparently at least 3 drops happened that game

Gus was 45/63... That's 71.4% completion percent
If you take out the 3 drops he is 45/60 which is an even 75%

For comparisons sake... only 2 QB's in the FBS are averaging better than 71.4%. Not even Washington's Browning who is a passing efficiency monster has that good of a %. Only 1 player in the FCS is averaging more than 71% completion percent. Not even EWU's QB is averaging 71%. Gus is averaging 67% which is top 25 in the FCS.

So... think your expectations for our QB are a little too high? You blame him for overthrowing a few times while still maintaining a VERY GOOD passing efficiency but you don't blame the WR's for dropping balls to their hands? This is the problem with EVERYONE who thinks Gus is having "bad games" when he misses a few throws. EVERY QB MISSES A FEW THROWS. Overall Gus has been very good for us this year and is putting up one of the best passing years the Griz has ever seen. Only on Egriz would people still be bitching about that.
 
havgrizfan said:
mtgrizrule said:
Applause to Chalich and the WR's for record breaking performances. With that said, Stitt, nor anyone expected Chalich to have that kind of game. Just as nobody expected Simis to have against UND. However, in listening to past Stitt interviews, pregame, and post game, I did notice a little different demeanor and sense of thinking from Stitt, than in the past.

Normally, when asked about the qb situation, his status quo answer has always been something like, "Brady is the man, etc". When asked about this after the ISU game, Stitt did not give that status quo answer. He praised all 3 qbs (Phillips being the 3rd) for who they are and their abilities. He gave a rather long encouraging neutral answer. At the very least, Chalich did enough for Stitt and his coaches to dissect game film thoroughly, and maybe consider allowing Chalich more snaps, maybe a few series that are all his.

To me, his answer in post game was surprising and definitely not the standard quote Stitt response. Then again, I might be reading too much into this. I found it very surprising though. That is a credit to each of the GRIZ qb's, especially Chalich and Gustafson.

As for Chalich's performance, I feel he did one critical thing Stitt has been wanting GRIZ QB's do more often. That is to trust your WR's to make plays, more often. Chalich did that a lot against ISU. Brady plays more guarded, it seems. Chalich and his WRs looked a lot like what EWU has done the last several years with their QB's and WR's. Then again, Brady throws hard darts for the most part, regardless of distance or personnel. Chalich throws somewhat good coverage plays with more loft and touch than Gustafson. That kind of pass gives WR's better chances to win jump balls and use their skills more. Not many DB's are going to win jump ball lob like passes in single coverage, sometimes double coverage against a somewhat tall athletic, strong WR.

It was encouraging that those kind of passes were thrown to the bigger WR's, verses trying those kind of passes to JLM. Yes, when and who a QB throws those kind of passes to do make a huge difference. If the offense can continue to better utilize our WR's and their various skill sets, this offense will be hard to stop, regardless of who QB is.

Now, let's hope the Defense finds their consistency great game again.

"Brady would have been the guy had he not been banged up," Stitt said. "We've got to get Brady back healthy and when he is he'll be back in there."

To me, the way Stitt answered the post game question was much different than his normal response. I honestly believe Stitt will figure out a way to get Chalich more involved the last 2 games. It certainly would give defenses more to prepare for than just preparing for Brady. We are lucky to have both of them. Like Stitt, I am confident in each of them. Either way, this offense needs to consistently convert the yards into points, no matter who the qb is.
 
Eriul said:
reinell30 said:
Eriul said:
reinell30 said:
So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

No one is criticizing the WR's because they are level headed about this. Even the best WR's drop balls sometimes. I mean I remember one time Wes Welker dropped a wide open pass in a pretty big game for the patriots and it cost the game. It was in the news a bit because Brady's wife ended up freaking out about it or something...

The problem is when you criticize the lack of production an offense has solely on the QB when he put it in the hands of his receivers numerous times and they didn't produce. If the WR's don't drop those passes against EWU there is a chance we win that game...


Bad catching in one game is what is being referred too. If you want to talk bad offense, I do not blame Gus solely, I blame a lot on Stitt 1st. Then Gus and bad over throws, continuously! Then Stitt 3rd for not changing him out with Chalich so he can collect his thoughts. I am not blaming the receivers at all. I just pointed out the obvious of their drops in the EW game and Jamaal Jones drops of past years.
Gus throwing left and right is awesome, it is going up the field that puzzles me so much with him. Over throw after over throw. How long does a coach stay with a QB doing this? Stitt's answer has been to have him throw the ball left and right and make the receivers do all the work. Yes, Gus throws it left and right faster then Chalich, but CVhalich is more accurate down field.


You want the coach to pull our QB because he was overthrowing...I didn't count the drops but apparently at least 3 drops happened that game

Gus was 45/63... That's 71.4% completion percent
If you take out the 3 drops he is 45/60 which is an even 75%

For comparisons sake... only 2 QB's in the FBS are averaging better than 71.4%. Not even Washington's Browning who is a passing efficiency monster has that good of a %. Only 1 player in the FCS is averaging more than 71% completion percent. Not even EWU's QB is averaging 71%. Gus is averaging 67% which is top 25 in the FCS.

So... think your expectations for our QB are a little too high? You blame him for overthrowing a few times while still maintaining a VERY GOOD passing efficiency but you don't blame the WR's for dropping balls to their hands? This is the problem with EVERYONE who thinks Gus is having "bad games" when he misses a few throws. EVERY QB MISSES A FEW THROWS. Overall Gus has been very good for us this year and is putting up one of the best passing years the Griz has ever seen. Only on Egriz would people still be bitching about that.

And then there are the occasional or more than occasional wrong routes? At EWU, a slot receiver was supposed to run a quick slant from about the 8 or so. BG set up to throw quickly. No receiver. Receiver ran an out. Despite there be a shorter receiver, BG reacted well and through a pass to the "out" receiver. The receiver made a great catch for TD.

I agree that BG has thrown some bad balls and high balls. However, some of bad/high balls have throw-aways, or receiver mistakes or miscommunications. I agree with Eriul that when a QB is completing about 70% of his passes in games, and throwing for about 400 yards, he is doing quite well--even if he is missing some throws (and assuming he's not throwing too many picks).
 
UMGriz75 said:
Lots of sideways passes, while perhaps padding the percentages, don't by themselves gain yards.

Sideways passes are not easy throws. In fact, BG's sideway throws have been better, perhaps much better, than Chalich's. Some of Chalich's caused the receiver to have to slow or reach back, which throws off the running and blocking and negatively impacts yardage.
 
PlayerRep said:
Eriul said:
reinell30 said:
Eriul said:
No one is criticizing the WR's because they are level headed about this. Even the best WR's drop balls sometimes. I mean I remember one time Wes Welker dropped a wide open pass in a pretty big game for the patriots and it cost the game. It was in the news a bit because Brady's wife ended up freaking out about it or something...

The problem is when you criticize the lack of production an offense has solely on the QB when he put it in the hands of his receivers numerous times and they didn't produce. If the WR's don't drop those passes against EWU there is a chance we win that game...


Bad catching in one game is what is being referred too. If you want to talk bad offense, I do not blame Gus solely, I blame a lot on Stitt 1st. Then Gus and bad over throws, continuously! Then Stitt 3rd for not changing him out with Chalich so he can collect his thoughts. I am not blaming the receivers at all. I just pointed out the obvious of their drops in the EW game and Jamaal Jones drops of past years.
Gus throwing left and right is awesome, it is going up the field that puzzles me so much with him. Over throw after over throw. How long does a coach stay with a QB doing this? Stitt's answer has been to have him throw the ball left and right and make the receivers do all the work. Yes, Gus throws it left and right faster then Chalich, but CVhalich is more accurate down field.


You want the coach to pull our QB because he was overthrowing...I didn't count the drops but apparently at least 3 drops happened that game

Gus was 45/63... That's 71.4% completion percent
If you take out the 3 drops he is 45/60 which is an even 75%

For comparisons sake... only 2 QB's in the FBS are averaging better than 71.4%. Not even Washington's Browning who is a passing efficiency monster has that good of a %. Only 1 player in the FCS is averaging more than 71% completion percent. Not even EWU's QB is averaging 71%. Gus is averaging 67% which is top 25 in the FCS.

So... think your expectations for our QB are a little too high? You blame him for overthrowing a few times while still maintaining a VERY GOOD passing efficiency but you don't blame the WR's for dropping balls to their hands? This is the problem with EVERYONE who thinks Gus is having "bad games" when he misses a few throws. EVERY QB MISSES A FEW THROWS. Overall Gus has been very good for us this year and is putting up one of the best passing years the Griz has ever seen. Only on Egriz would people still be bitching about that.

And then there are the occasional or more than occasional wrong routes? At EWU, a slot receiver was supposed to run a quick slant from about the 8 or so. BG set up to throw quickly. No receiver. Receiver ran an out. Despite there be a shorter receiver, BG reacted well and through a pass to the "out" receiver. The receiver made a great catch for TD.

I agree that BG has thrown some bad balls and high balls. However, some of bad/high balls have throw-aways, or receiver mistakes or miscommunications. I agree with Eriul that when a QB is completing about 70% of his passes in games, and throwing for about 400 yards, he is doing quite well--even if he is missing some throws (and assuming he's not throwing too many picks).

This. Brady will finish his career with the 2nd highest YPG for Montana currently at 305.1(DD 318). This season Brady is averaging 324. He has a career completion % of 63%; 67% this year. DD finished with 67%.

It boggles me that this isn't good enough for some people
 
PlayerRep said:
UMGriz75 said:
Lots of sideways passes, while perhaps padding the percentages, don't by themselves gain yards.

Sideways passes are not easy throws. In fact, BG's sideway throws have been better, perhaps much better, than Chalich's. Some of Chalich's caused the receiver to have to slow or reach back, which throws off the running and blocking and negatively impacts yardage.

I'm sure that will be fixed with Chalich getting more reps.

He did pretty good for his first start?
 
UMGriz75 said:
brewskis said:
I think Stitt knows QBs better than 95% of D-1 coaches...
Wow. I don't even know where to start on that.

What Stitt is doing is finally acknowledging what coaches have long known, that when a player is having a bad game, you get him out to break that rhythm. The "cold hand" is just as true in sports as the "hot hand." Last year, Stitt refused to acknowledge that, and we lost games because of it. This coach is on a steep D-1 learning curve.

The only thing Stitt has acknowledged is that his starting quarterback suffered an injury to his throwing shoulder and pectoral muscle during the Eastern Washington game and missed three practices as a result last week. Therefore, they got Chalich ready to go. Brady has not been benched, and saying "maybe" we'll go with both quarterbacks, is not even remotely closely to "getting the cold hand out" If Brady would have practiced all three days last week, we would never even know what Chad would have done against ISU, because he never would have started.

On the other hand, I did hear Stitt say this on Saturday night.

"Brady would have been the guy had he not been banged up," Stitt said. "We've got to get Brady back healthy and when he is he'll be back in there."
 
UMcheer2000 said:
PlayerRep said:
UMGriz75 said:
Lots of sideways passes, while perhaps padding the percentages, don't by themselves gain yards.

Sideways passes are not easy throws. In fact, BG's sideway throws have been better, perhaps much better, than Chalich's. Some of Chalich's caused the receiver to have to slow or reach back, which throws off the running and blocking and negatively impacts yardage.

I'm sure that will be fixed with Chalich getting more reps.

He did pretty good for his first start?

Chalich took every first team rep available in practice last week. And in Stitt's system, the backup QB actually gets a lot of reps in practice. Chalich has had a TON of reps in the last two years. That's also why he knows the playbook like the back of his hand. As Stitt said on Saturday night. Lack of reps weren't a factor.
 
havgrizfan said:
Brady has not been benched, and saying "maybe" we'll go with both quarterbacks, is not even remotely closely to "getting the cold hand out" If Brady would have practiced all three days last week, we would never even know what Chad would have done against ISU, because he never would have started.
Two points:
1) Why use two quarterbacks all of a sudden?
2) You're begging the question as to Stitt's strategy. We would never have known what Chad would have done because of Stitt's policy of never putting a relief QB in a position to know what they would have done until he is forced to. That's not a system of knowledgeable rotation; its a system of forced non-choices.
 
PlayerRep said:
fanofzoo said:
Does a mobile QB take a little pressure off of the O line ?

Or add to the pressure? Most sacks given up all season, right, and with fewer passes.


Your comment seems to blame the QB for the sacks, Maybe the line sucked more than usual.
 
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