Chalich is the type of QB this offense was made for.

[zirge]

geez, i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned were terrifically thrown balls and catches especially those made in the northend zone for touchdowns............ which i have a nice upper side view just to see how well they were thrown where only the receiver could get to it.
this guy played excellent and, as a fan, was very impressed with his throwing ability and the outstanding catches made by all the receivers due to those throws.
it was a fun game to watch with more taste than vanilla. chad thanks for changing the flavor.

Could you just answer the question? I answered yours.

to me i did, "i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned........" to say that he throws better rolling out to the left better than to the right based on the play that you mentioned, i would have to say that there is not enough evidence to comment.
my point was to point out one of his abilities that i saw that was very impressive to me, if you want to take away from that that he did'nt do this rolling out to the opposite side that is your right. i just don't see what that has to do with my first observation, based on the premise of him making a great play using this one outstaning ability
again, i thought chad played a great game, made some beautiful thrown balls, gave our receivers chances to make some incredible catches, kept our 3 and outs to a minimum, didn't throw the ball away a half a dozen times due to, like you said in another post on this thread, a myriad of reasons or variables. whether it was brady or any other of our qb, it doesn't matter if that is what you are seeing in our games. i was glad for the change, so were several other fans where i sit. they were not writing brady or any other of our qb's off they were just happy to see a different execution of our plays designed or not, improvising is a part of the game and can be used positively when necessary if you have the skills ie we were glad to see that one of those decisions was not throwing the ball away several times a game.

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.[/quote]

dude, i get it, but we are only talking one play here. there is not enough evidence to make comparisons on such a broad spectrum you present. neither qb is 100% of anything so why are we discussing this one play in comparison to plays that we have seen in several games.
to me, the roll out (scramble) paid more dividends than not in this particular game.
hopefully we will see chad again this saturday against a more powerful opponent and then we can continue this conversation with more evidence to compare or defend, however you look at it.

 

[PlayerRep]

Could you just answer the question? I answered yours.

to me i did, "i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned........" to say that he throws better rolling out to the left better than to the right based on the play that you mentioned, i would have to say that there is not enough evidence to comment.
my point was to point out one of his abilities that i saw that was very impressive to me, if you want to take away from that that he did'nt do this rolling out to the opposite side that is your right. i just don't see what that has to do with my first observation, based on the premise of him making a great play using this one outstaning ability
again, i thought chad played a great game, made some beautiful thrown balls, gave our receivers chances to make some incredible catches, kept our 3 and outs to a minimum, didn't throw the ball away a half a dozen times due to, like you said in another post on this thread, a myriad of reasons or variables. whether it was brady or any other of our qb, it doesn't matter if that is what you are seeing in our games. i was glad for the change, so were several other fans where i sit. they were not writing brady or any other of our qb's off they were just happy to see a different execution of our plays designed or not, improvising is a part of the game and can be used positively when necessary if you have the skills ie we were glad to see that one of those decisions was not throwing the ball away several times a game.

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.[/quote]

dude, i get it, but we are only talking one play here. there is not enough evidence to make comparisons on such a broad spectrum you present. neither qb is 100% of anything so why are we discussing this one play in comparison to plays that we have seen in several games.
to me, the roll out (scramble) paid more dividends than not in this particular game.
hopefully we will see chad again this saturday against a more powerful opponent and then we can continue this conversation with more evidence to compare or defend, however you look at it.

Dude, I know what was being talked about. You singled out a play. I commented on the play, and said it was a nice play. I asked you about another play. You keep refusing to answer my question about the other play. What is so hard about answering the question?

I am not necessarily trying to make comparisons, but you are.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer the simple question, just tell me, and our "discussion" will end.

 

[Eriul]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

And how did he do against NDSU 2? NDSU2 was a far better defender than NDSU1, which featured that hopeless DB, #5. He put up 16 against EWU this year when they were allowing 33. Was unable to keep us in the game against their less than stellar defense.

And chalich has yet to play against a good defense. NDSU defense stomped every team in the playoffs last year. It's what championship defenses do. I mean last year the broncos defense made cam newton look like a college player in the super bowl. 3 years a go peyton manning looked like he shouldn't touch a football again when the Seahawks crushed the broncos in the super bowl.

As far as the ewu game... you can't honestly be stupid enough to blame Brady for the consistent dropped balls that happened including multiple td passes...

 

[PlayerRep]

And I'll ask the question a second time, since it got ignored the first time: Will someone, ANYONE, point out a game to me where BG had a good game against an above average defense? Because all we ever hear is "well yeah, Chalich looked good, but it was against Idaho STATE!" Newsflash: the only teams BG has looked really good against are Suck State and MVSU.

Misleading question seeing as how we don't play quality defenses often. This year the only good defenses we faces are Saint Francis and UNI. He did well against Saint Francis. Notice we put 520 yards on saint francis and they average 255 yards allowed every other game. UNI he didnt do fantastic but he did fine. He also played good against NDSU game 1 last year. I can't see the defensive stats for last year but I think its safe to assume NDSU was a top 25 defense.

And how did he do against NDSU 2? NDSU2 was a far better defender than NDSU1, which featured that hopeless DB, #5. He put up 16 against EWU this year when they were allowing 33. Was unable to keep us in the game against their less than stellar defense.

And chalich has yet to play against a good defense. NDSU defense stomped every team in the playoffs last year. It's what championship defenses do. I mean last year the broncos defense made cam newton look like a college player in the super bowl. 3 years a go peyton manning looked like he shouldn't touch a football again when the Seahawks crushed the broncos in the super bowl.

As far as the ewu game... you can't honestly be stupid enough to blame Brady for the consistent dropped balls that happened including multiple td passes...

Or the holding penalty on the medium throw/catch to no. 80, when we would have had a first down on the EWU 15, and he got hurt. This was in the 3d quarter. Score was 10-21. A TD then would have been a momentum builder. Instead a punt.

 

[zirge]

to me i did, "i would have to say that several other passes other than the one you mentioned........" to say that he throws better rolling out to the left better than to the right based on the play that you mentioned, i would have to say that there is not enough evidence to comment.
my point was to point out one of his abilities that i saw that was very impressive to me, if you want to take away from that that he did'nt do this rolling out to the opposite side that is your right. i just don't see what that has to do with my first observation, based on the premise of him making a great play using this one outstaning ability
again, i thought chad played a great game, made some beautiful thrown balls, gave our receivers chances to make some incredible catches, kept our 3 and outs to a minimum, didn't throw the ball away a half a dozen times due to, like you said in another post on this thread, a myriad of reasons or variables. whether it was brady or any other of our qb, it doesn't matter if that is what you are seeing in our games. i was glad for the change, so were several other fans where i sit. they were not writing brady or any other of our qb's off they were just happy to see a different execution of our plays designed or not, improvising is a part of the game and can be used positively when necessary if you have the skills ie we were glad to see that one of those decisions was not throwing the ball away several times a game.

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.[/quote]

dude, i get it, but we are only talking one play here. there is not enough evidence to make comparisons on such a broad spectrum you present. neither qb is 100% of anything so why are we discussing this one play in comparison to plays that we have seen in several games.
to me, the roll out (scramble) paid more dividends than not in this particular game.
hopefully we will see chad again this saturday against a more powerful opponent and then we can continue this conversation with more evidence to compare or defend, however you look at it.

Dude, I know what was being talked about. You singled out a play. I commented on the play, and said it was a nice play. I asked you about another play. You keep refusing to answer my question about the other play. What is so hard about answering the question?

I am not necessarily trying to make comparisons, but you are.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer the simple question, just tell me, and our "discussion" will end.

i believe you started the comparisons with:
Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.

i do not know what chad was looking at or his intentions when he made the play you are referring to,
therefore, i did not see why or how the play occurred, unlike the play that i referred to as he was intentionally throwing to calhoun. not all throws are equal due to many variables, however, if the primary goal is to make completions then chad and calhoun deserve recognition on that particular throw.
incomplete throws will invariably occur as the case you point out, it was a incomplete pass but i cannot comment on why or how or if this is a flaw in chad's football skills or whatever you are looking for.

 

[retiredfan]

I think this was great news to see Chalich fill in so well, it shows that we have more than 1 capable QB to fit the bill.

 

[PlayerRep]

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.[/quote]

dude, i get it, but we are only talking one play here. there is not enough evidence to make comparisons on such a broad spectrum you present. neither qb is 100% of anything so why are we discussing this one play in comparison to plays that we have seen in several games.
to me, the roll out (scramble) paid more dividends than not in this particular game.
hopefully we will see chad again this saturday against a more powerful opponent and then we can continue this conversation with more evidence to compare or defend, however you look at it.

Dude, I know what was being talked about. You singled out a play. I commented on the play, and said it was a nice play. I asked you about another play. You keep refusing to answer my question about the other play. What is so hard about answering the question?

I am not necessarily trying to make comparisons, but you are.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer the simple question, just tell me, and our "discussion" will end.

i believe you started the comparisons with:
Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.

i do not know what chad was looking at or his intentions when he made the play you are referring to,
therefore, i did not see why or how the play occurred, unlike the play that i referred to as he was intentionally throwing to calhoun. not all throws are equal due to many variables, however, if the primary goal is to make completions then chad and calhoun deserve recognition on that particular throw.
incomplete throws will invariably occur as the case you point out, it was a incomplete pass but i cannot comment on why or how or if this is a flaw in chad's football skills or whatever you are looking for.

Zirge, here is your initial post, and my response. Therein is the question you have refused to answer.

Zirge:
i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.


PR:
It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

 

[zirge]

You still didn't answer the question. What did you think of the throw rolling/scrambling left, going south and by the Griz bench, which throw missed the receiver completely and bounced off of the defender behind him (perhaps hit him in thigh pads)?

Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.[/quote]

dude, i get it, but we are only talking one play here. there is not enough evidence to make comparisons on such a broad spectrum you present. neither qb is 100% of anything so why are we discussing this one play in comparison to plays that we have seen in several games.
to me, the roll out (scramble) paid more dividends than not in this particular game.
hopefully we will see chad again this saturday against a more powerful opponent and then we can continue this conversation with more evidence to compare or defend, however you look at it.

Dude, I know what was being talked about. You singled out a play. I commented on the play, and said it was a nice play. I asked you about another play. You keep refusing to answer my question about the other play. What is so hard about answering the question?

I am not necessarily trying to make comparisons, but you are.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer the simple question, just tell me, and our "discussion" will end.

i believe you started the comparisons with:
Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.

i do not know what chad was looking at or his intentions when he made the play you are referring to,
therefore, i did not see why or how the play occurred, unlike the play that i referred to as he was intentionally throwing to calhoun. not all throws are equal due to many variables, however, if the primary goal is to make completions then chad and calhoun deserve recognition on that particular throw.
incomplete throws will invariably occur as the case you point out, it was a incomplete pass but i cannot comment on why or how or if this is a flaw in chad's football skills or whatever you are looking for.

Zirge, here is your initial post, and my response. Therein is the question you have refused to answer.

Zirge:
i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.


PR:
It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

on a 1-10 a 4 since a 10 would be a completion under pressure. again i do not know what he saw or his intentions so i am making a stab at a 4 giving it a sub par score since it was an incompletion.
are we good now?

 

[PlayerRep]

Dude, I know what was being talked about. You singled out a play. I commented on the play, and said it was a nice play. I asked you about another play. You keep refusing to answer my question about the other play. What is so hard about answering the question?

I am not necessarily trying to make comparisons, but you are.

If you are unable or unwilling to answer the simple question, just tell me, and our "discussion" will end.

i believe you started the comparisons with:
Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.

i do not know what chad was looking at or his intentions when he made the play you are referring to,
therefore, i did not see why or how the play occurred, unlike the play that i referred to as he was intentionally throwing to calhoun. not all throws are equal due to many variables, however, if the primary goal is to make completions then chad and calhoun deserve recognition on that particular throw.
incomplete throws will invariably occur as the case you point out, it was a incomplete pass but i cannot comment on why or how or if this is a flaw in chad's football skills or whatever you are looking for.

Zirge, here is your initial post, and my response. Therein is the question you have refused to answer.

Zirge:
i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.


PR:
It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

on a 1-10 a 4 since a 10 would be a completion under pressure. again i do not know what he saw or his intentions so i am making a stab at a 4 giving it a sub par score since it was an incompletion.
are we good now?

Yup. Since it was almost picked, and a pick would be 1 in my view, I would give it a 2.

 

[zirge]

i believe you started the comparisons with:
Intentional throw aways for a pocket passer have to be measured against a scrambler's missed downfield looks, sacks, no or low gain runs, etc.

i do not know what chad was looking at or his intentions when he made the play you are referring to,
therefore, i did not see why or how the play occurred, unlike the play that i referred to as he was intentionally throwing to calhoun. not all throws are equal due to many variables, however, if the primary goal is to make completions then chad and calhoun deserve recognition on that particular throw.
incomplete throws will invariably occur as the case you point out, it was a incomplete pass but i cannot comment on why or how or if this is a flaw in chad's football skills or whatever you are looking for.

Zirge, here is your initial post, and my response. Therein is the question you have refused to answer.

Zirge:
i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.


PR:
It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

on a 1-10 a 4 since a 10 would be a completion under pressure. again i do not know what he saw or his intentions so i am making a stab at a 4 giving it a sub par score since it was an incompletion.
are we good now?

Yup. Since it was almost picked, and a pick would be 1 in my view, I would give it a 2.

ok, point taken.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Zirge, here is your initial post, and my response. Therein is the question you have refused to answer.

Zirge:
i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.


PR:
It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

on a 1-10 a 4 since a 10 would be a completion under pressure. again i do not know what he saw or his intentions so i am making a stab at a 4 giving it a sub par score since it was an incompletion.
are we good now?

Yup. Since it was almost picked, and a pick would be 1 in my view, I would give it a 2.

ok, point taken.

It was a throw much like Favre's in the NFC championship back across the grain and body that was so poor it couldn't be intercepted. I would give it a "1" for never do it again.

 

[hold-em]

I agree with the subject of this post.

I liked what I saw with Chad Saturday night: extending the pocket, giving receivers more time to get open, giving receivers a chance at the long ball and when all else fails--run.

If Brady is healthy for UNC Saturday, he will probably start but if Brady isn't scoring points, hand it over to Chad.

The bottom-line is about winning ball games and getting to the playoffs.

 

[Silvertip]

On Gustafson vs Chalich -Nobody likes to surrender their A for B when doing so is viewed as an admission that B was the right pick in the first place... and that nobody includes Stitt.

 

[reinell30]

So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

 

[AZGrizFan]

If Brady is healthy for UNC Saturday, he will probably start but if Brady isn't scoring points, hand it over to Chad.

Already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that if Brady is physically able to play, he'll play, unless we're up by 40. Stitt won't hand the keys off to someone else if Brady is struggling.

 

[Yukon]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunRainey/status/795733127595331584[/tweet]

 

[PlayerRep]

So many of these comments refer to the dropped TD (potentially) passes in the EW game. All I can say to this is, yes they dropped (Curran, Calhoun) them, but they didn't drop one pass from Chalich this week and several of their catches were spectacular!
How many TD passes did Jamaal Jones drop the last few years? Folks, it happened, get over it.
These young men (Curran, Calhoun) are going to have outstanding careers at UM and probably do down as two of the best to ever catch balls for the Griz!

Jones dropped very few TD passes, and in virtually every game he dropped a catchable pass, he made up for it with one or more spectacular catches. He also made multiple other great and even spectacular catches. Had our receivers been catching like Jones, Henderson and Roberts this year, UM would have work a few more games, in my view. Our receivers are young. They are talented and deep, and will improve each year.

 

[PlayerRep]

I agree with the subject of this post.

I liked what I saw with Chad Saturday night: extending the pocket, giving receivers more time to get open, giving receivers a chance at the long ball and when all else fails--run.

If Brady is healthy for UNC Saturday, he will probably start but if Brady isn't scoring points, hand it over to Chad.

The bottom-line is about winning ball games and getting to the playoffs.

Given Chalich's nice performance, and it being late in the season with our backs to the wall, I'm good with this, if it occurs.

 

[AZGrizFan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunRainey/status/795733127595331584[/tweet]

A team playing 2 QB's doesn't have a starter....rarely does this work.

 

[reinell30]

Jones dropped many (potential) TD passes. Like you said, he dropped big (gainers) passes. He did make some spectacular catches each game. Yes, Calhoun and Curran are young, but their talent is limit less!
I believe the EW game may have had a different outcome if our receivers don't drop the ball but, hind sight is 20/20.