Chalich is the type of QB this offense was made for.

[HelenaHandBasket]

I would also like to say that I am not trying to advocate for either QB. I am just stating that a QB with more mobility than BG would be a positive for this offense. No matter how this year plays out, I hope to see this more in the future.

And a QB who makes terrific calls and reads, stands in the pocket and makes nice throws, and has the confidence of his offense and his coaches, is also positive for this offense.

Seems that I never stated anything to the contrary.

 

[Ursus1]

Chalich was way more accurate on long balls. Did not over throw as much as Brady. Chalich did not throw horizontal throws as well as Brady does. Chalich legs kept many plays alive. Brady has faced better secondaries. That was my take, I know Stitt will go with Brady and if he is "good Brady" the offense cab succeed, but when "bad Brady" shows up the offense will struggle....I just hope Stitt can tell what Brady shows up and if "Bad Brady" he isn't too stubborn to give Chalich a shot. After Saturday, I think he has shown the ability. But my guess.....stubborn

 

[zirge]

I don't agree that Chalich extended drives because he can run. I just skimmed the play-by-play chart quickly. He didn't pick up any first downs running on 3d down or 4th down. He didn't pick up a first down on 2 runs on 3d down. Most of his runs/scrambles were on 1st down. He didn't have any called runs; all scrambles. I can see zero drives that he extended by running/scrambling, altho there may have been one or two that he scrambled and found a receiver on 3d down. That doesn't mean that BG wouldn't have hit a receiver from in the pocket on the same play.

Rush for minus 4 and fumble. Only run in first 4 drives. Threw pick in 4th drive.

Rushed for 6 on 1st down.

3d and 2 - rushed for no gain; sack on next play

Rushed for 4 on 1st down.

Rushed for 13 on 2d down, for a 1st down.

Rushed for 3 on 1st down.

Rushed for 17 on 1st down, for a 1st down.

2d and 11-sack.

2d and 2-sack.

3d and 6, got 2 yards, punt.

3d and goal for zero.

4th and goal for TD.

2d and 13, rushed for 20

1st and 10, rushed for 3.

I did this quickly, and may not have gotten everything right. But you get the point.

What I get is Chalich made positive plays in the run game at times there was nothing else there. He also extended many plays with his mobility which allowed receivers to come free and complete a pass for a positive play when nothing else was there. These are plays that BG can not make. If BG were playing, most of them would be a throw away negative run. One of the big struggles of the offense is being in long distance situations, and those runs on first and second down kept the offense out of long distance situations. One example that I am confident, is that BG would never have extended the play and made that first TD pass.

Yes, sometimes, but I thought he left the pocket and stopped looking for the pass too soon on several occasions. So we don't agree on the "nothing else" comment. Also, I think BG stands in the pocket nicely and makes some good throws by staying in the pocket. Better vision downfield when in the pocket.

Seems that Chalich had pretty decent vision down the field yesterday. Chalich may move too soon, and BG may sit in the pocket nicely. But I also watch BG throw more balls away sitting in the pocket when Chalich didn't because he either made positive yards by either running or extending the play until someone came open. I get it, they are different QB's. I just think that the mobility shown by Chalich makes more things happen than BG sitting in the pocket, especially behind this OL. I also get that Stitt will play BG when healthy. So I am just hoping that in the future, the QB can be more mobile, because I think it will be a positive for the offense.

i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.

 

[stubbins]

I would also like to say that I am not trying to advocate for either QB. I am just stating that a QB with more mobility than BG would be a positive for this offense. No matter how this year plays out, I hope to see this more in the future.

This...

We've known for awhile that a JJ type qb would help this offense...

It does not matter this year...we have what we have...who is better? I'd say Brady, but more importantly is what we have in year 3, to have ready for year 4....

 

[PlayerRep]

Those drives would likely have been "extended" on 2d or 3d down too, so no

You can't assume that would be the case.

Sure, I can. Many things happen on 2d down and 3d down. You can't assume that a drive was extended by a qb run on first down.

 

[PlayerRep]

Hav, maybe so but you are overlooking what the mobility of Chalich provided that BG is just incapable of. Chalich was able to extend plays and drives because he can run. I realize that none of those plays was a designed QB run. I don't think anyone is expecting a Lamar Jackson type QB, but I am confident that a QB with more mobility than BG would be much more effective in this offense.

I don't agree that Chalich extended drives because he can run. I just skimmed the play-by-play chart quickly. He didn't pick up any first downs running on 3d down or 4th down. He didn't pick up a first down on 2 runs on 3d down. Most of his runs/scrambles were on 1st down. He didn't have any called runs; all scrambles. I can see zero drives that he extended by running/scrambling, altho there may have been one or two that he scrambled and found a receiver on 3d down. That doesn't mean that BG wouldn't have hit a receiver from in the pocket on the same play.

Rush for minus 4 and fumble. Only run in first 4 drives. Threw pick in 4th drive.

Rushed for 6 on 1st down.

3d and 2 - rushed for no gain; sack on next play

Rushed for 4 on 1st down.

Rushed for 13 on 2d down, for a 1st down.

Rushed for 3 on 1st down.

Rushed for 17 on 1st down, for a 1st down.

2d and 11-sack.

2d and 2-sack.

3d and 6, got 2 yards, punt.

3d and goal for zero.

4th and goal for TD.

2d and 13, rushed for 20

1st and 10, rushed for 3.

I did this quickly, and may not have gotten everything right. But you get the point.

Boy this is a dumb post. Your saying if you rush for a first down on first down that doesn't extend a drive? Wow what game did u watch? Not to mention his 20 yd gain on 2nd and 13. But beyond his rushing yards he was able to extend plays with his legs and make money throw down field on a hand full of third downs. Nice attempt at spin though.

Good post, some people can't see clearly when they have an agenda.

Do you think the play by play supports the assertion that Chalch extended drives by running? Just give hones answer of yes or no.

 

[PlayerRep]

I would also like to say that I am not trying to advocate for either QB. I am just stating that a QB with more mobility than BG would be a positive for this offense. No matter how this year plays out, I hope to see this more in the future.

And a QB who makes terrific calls and reads, stands in the pocket and makes nice throws, and has the confidence of his offense and his coaches, is also positive for this offense.

Seems that I never stated anything to the contrary.

I didn't say you did.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Those drives would likely have been "extended" on 2d or 3d down too, so no

You can't assume that would be the case.

Sure, I can. Many things happen on 2d down and 3d down. You can't assume that a drive was extended by a qb run on first down.

Well, if the run was enough to gain a first down, it was indeed extended, which looking at your listed plays, he did at least 3 times. And this does not account for any pass completions on plays he extended by virtue of his mobility.

 

[PlayerRep]

What I get is Chalich made positive plays in the run game at times there was nothing else there. He also extended many plays with his mobility which allowed receivers to come free and complete a pass for a positive play when nothing else was there. These are plays that BG can not make. If BG were playing, most of them would be a throw away negative run. One of the big struggles of the offense is being in long distance situations, and those runs on first and second down kept the offense out of long distance situations. One example that I am confident, is that BG would never have extended the play and made that first TD pass.

Yes, sometimes, but I thought he left the pocket and stopped looking for the pass too soon on several occasions. So we don't agree on the "nothing else" comment. Also, I think BG stands in the pocket nicely and makes some good throws by staying in the pocket. Better vision downfield when in the pocket.

Seems that Chalich had pretty decent vision down the field yesterday. Chalich may move too soon, and BG may sit in the pocket nicely. But I also watch BG throw more balls away sitting in the pocket when Chalich didn't because he either made positive yards by either running or extending the play until someone came open. I get it, they are different QB's. I just think that the mobility shown by Chalich makes more things happen than BG sitting in the pocket, especially behind this OL. I also get that Stitt will play BG when healthy. So I am just hoping that in the future, the QB can be more mobile, because I think it will be a positive for the offense.

i would just like to add that the throw to calhoun along the bengals sideline while throwing on the run across his body was a thing of beauty. calhoun made a great catch on a great throw under pressure.
chalich throws a beautiful ball..........and the wr's showed their love for it as well and played exceptional. at least that was the feeling of being present at the game and being a fan.

It was a very nice throw and terrific catch. How would you rate Chalich's throw running to his left in the second half, going south in front of UM bench, when he completely missed the receiver and bounced the ball off of a defender behind the receiver?

 

[G-BEARS]

Chalich was way more accurate on long balls. Did not over throw as much as Brady. Chalich did not throw horizontal throws as well as Brady does. Chalich legs kept many plays alive. Brady has faced better secondaries. That was my take, I know Stitt will go with Brady and if he is "good Brady" the offense cab succeed, but when "bad Brady" shows up the offense will struggle....I just hope Stitt can tell what Brady shows up and if "Bad Brady" he isn't too stubborn to give Chalich a shot. After Saturday, I think he has shown the ability. But my guess.....stubborn

This whole post pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly. And the bold part could be very important if we are to have any success in the playoffs IF we make it.

 

[grizfan95]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

 

[PlayerRep]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

 

[bearister]

I do wonder if BG was able to go or did Stitt sit him out due to the past two losses, not that all his throws were bad, the WR gotta catch too. He said he was beat up a bit after EWU, did he really get hit that much?
Anyway great game for Chalich and I for one feel better about our chances in the event BG were to get injured.
A mobile QB is what this scheme needs that is for sure. Being able to scramble gives those WR time to get separation.

I'm recalling last year, when Simis threw for six touchdowns in a game, and followed that with decidedly mediocre performances. Folks on this board were more than happy to see him sit when Brady got healthy. One performance does not a starter make. Just sayin.

 

[Eriul]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

No one is arguing that having a QB who can run is better. But running the ball isn't the entire package. The 2 best QB's in the past 20 years(Brady, Manning) are everything but mobile. Manning wasn't even that physically gifted at throwing. What made Manning a good QB was the fact that he ran his offense extremely well. I think an offensive coordinator would take a Manning over Vick any day of the week.

Of course this has A LOT of parallels when it comes to our QB situation.

 

[grizfan95]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

Did Chalich do this? Gus isn't a run THREAT and that's the problem. We don't necessarily need a dual QB who runs for 100 yards but we need one who the opponent perceives as a THREAT to run as it stretches them. Seem fair? I like Gus but just wish the D was more anxious about him running as it would open up both the run and pass more.

 

[grizfan95]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

No one is arguing that having a QB who can run is better. But running the ball isn't the entire package. The 2 best QB's in the past 20 years(Brady, Manning) are everything but mobile. Manning wasn't even that physically gifted at throwing. What made Manning a good QB was the fact that he ran his offense extremely well. I think an offensive coordinator would take a Manning over Vick any day of the week.

Of course this has A LOT of parallels when it comes to our QB situation.

College and NFL are waaaaay different. At the NFL level the speed of the defense is so much faster that a running QB is neutralized. At the college level it's not, so use it to your advantage. I still bet Manning would have taken a half second off his 40 if given the chance. It's all about the defense PERECEIVING an authentic run threat that makes them more stretched.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

 

[grizfan95]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

How do you feel about a qb who doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to make the reads and progressions, or who runs too often, or who runs too often and doesn't make much yardage, or who misses good passing opportunities by flushing out of the pocket too soon and not looking downfield, or who gets hurt running?

How do you feel about a QB who is zero threat to run, or stays in the pocket and gets sacked because he can't run, or who gets happy feet and sails passes repeatedly because he feels the pressure and can't run, or who attempts to run and never makes any yardage, or who doesn't have the ability to get out of the pocket and extend a play, or who dumps off to the first receiver he looks at because he has happy feet and can't or won't go through his progressions?

 

[George Ferguson]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

Except the Griz don't run that offense. Chalich didn't run a single read-option play Saturday night. Not one single of his plays was a designed run. They were all him breaking the pocket and improvising. PR is one hundred percent right that he bailed on his reads too. Some of that is absolutely offensive line breakdowns. No question. But not all of it. And while Stitt was happier than a pig in s--t with how Chalich played Saturday night, and I was too, because he was awesome, I will bet paycheck to paycheck, he and Selle show Chalich thise things me and PR mentioned above when they watch the film.

AZ, I love you, you're one of the best posters on this board, but just an FYI. Gus is the least sacked QB in the Big Sky.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Feel sorry for anyone who truly believes a QB that is a threat to run is not more valuable than one who can't. Makes the defense respect the run in the option-read, they have to worry about turning their back to him in pass coverage, etc. It's really straightforward.

Except the Griz don't run that offense. Chalich didn't run a single read-option play Saturday night. Not one single of his plays was a designed run. They were all him breaking the pocket and improvising. PR is one hundred percent right that he bailed on his reads too. Some of that is absolutely offensive line breakdowns. No question. But not all of it. And while Stitt was happier than a pig in s--t with how Chalich played Saturday night, and I was too, because he was awesome, I will bet paycheck to paycheck, he and Selle show Chalich thise things me and PR mentioned above when they watch the film.

AZ, I love you, you're one of the best posters on this board, but just an FYI. Gus is the least sacked QB in the Big Sky.

Which speaks more to the O-line than his ability to avoid pressure. Because if it IS there, he's toast. Plain and simple.