Central Ty Gregorak discussion thread

[Umista]

Why make a big deal out of not having the same or similar idea another poster has? Ms maroon seems to be able to defend her points and why not let it go? Good-better-best ideas will go on forever. The entire point is Gregorak is long gone. We can all speculate for years but until we have a good grip on the new D coach all we seem to be doing is peeing into the wind!

As the dumbest poster on this entire board I think everyone (almost) has good opinions and ideas concerning most of the topics we beat to death. Other than the silly trolls that dirty up this board 99% of us hope for a great Griz team not only for next year but forever. Yes it is fun to argue about stuff that most of us can't see underneath and really don't know and understand the Griz football program so we continue to blow and glow about things we are guessing at. Unfortunate for many of the people involved (players-coaches) many rumors and outright lies fly by like snowflakes....but that is simply part of this blog all of us like to read. So as I sit in my Montana cabin with the snow flakes falling I am part of this. Yup, Go Griz!

 

[bigsky33]

My point...you can't compare next year's defensive performance with this year's performance for a multitude of reasons and then say it would have been better or worse if TG was the coordinator....that is just stupid....

Sure I can. l and everyone will make that comparison. However, what I actually said wasvthat I was concerned that the D wouldn't be as good next year as it would have been with TG. You can kick and scream and argue all you want, but that won't mean that anything you say is correct. It looks like you are already making excuses for a worse D next year.

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Sure I can. l and everyone will make that comparison. However, what I actually said wasvthat I was concerned that the D wouldn't be as good next year as it would have been with TG. You can kick and scream and argue all you want, but that won't mean that anything you say is correct. It looks like you are already making excuses for a worse D next year.

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

 

[grizindabox]

My point...you can't compare next year's defensive performance with this year's performance for a multitude of reasons and then say it would have been better or worse if TG was the coordinator....that is just stupid....

Sure I can. l and everyone will make that comparison. However, what I actually said wasvthat I was concerned that the D wouldn't be as good next year as it would have been with TG. You can kick and scream and argue all you want, but that won't mean that anything you say is correct. It looks like you are already making excuses for a worse D next year.

which is something that could never be proved....

There are many reasons that the defense could be worse next year.....new starters....younger starters....different starters....playing against better offenses.....

The reasons the defense could be worse out number the reasons the defense could be better.....

No excuses here.....just reality....but to pinpoint that the defense will be worse just because of TG is a poor assumption....

Nope, you are not correct. Changing coordinators, both on offense and defense, as well as other coaches, often have significant impacts on teams. Don't know why you seem to be unaware of that, or won't admit.

Not saying a coordinator change doesn't impact....but to point at that single thing as a reason is faulty....there is nothing to say that the defense wouldn't have been worse if TG had stayed.....sometimes a change can even be good....

 

[PlayerRep]

Sure I can. l and everyone will make that comparison. However, what I actually said wasvthat I was concerned that the D wouldn't be as good next year as it would have been with TG. You can kick and scream and argue all you want, but that won't mean that anything you say is correct. It looks like you are already making excuses for a worse D next year.

which is something that could never be proved....

There are many reasons that the defense could be worse next year.....new starters....younger starters....different starters....playing against better offenses.....

The reasons the defense could be worse out number the reasons the defense could be better.....

No excuses here.....just reality....but to pinpoint that the defense will be worse just because of TG is a poor assumption....

Nope, you are not correct. Changing coordinators, both on offense and defense, as well as other coaches, often have significant impacts on teams. Don't know why you seem to be unaware of that, or won't admit.

Not saying a coordinator change doesn't impact....but to point at that single thing as a reason is faulty....there is nothing to say that the defense wouldn't have been worse if TG had stayed.....sometimes a change can even be good....

Don't be so dense. I am saying I am concerned that the defense may be worse next year than it would have been if TG had remained as the DC. There is only one variable. TG as DC this year; TG not as DC next year. Nothing I said is faulty. It is my view, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the reasoning. The point is not whether the defense next year is better or worse than this year. That is not the point. The personnel doesn't matter with regard to my point.

 

[PlayerRep]

Why make a big deal out of not having the same or similar idea another poster has? Ms maroon seems to be able to defend her points and why not let it go? Good-better-best ideas will go on forever. The entire point is Gregorak is long gone. We can all speculate for years but until we have a good grip on the new D coach all we seem to be doing is peeing into the wind!

As the dumbest poster on this entire board I think everyone (almost) has good opinions and ideas concerning most of the topics we beat to death. Other than the silly trolls that dirty up this board 99% of us hope for a great Griz team not only for next year but forever. Yes it is fun to argue about stuff that most of us can't see underneath and really don't know and understand the Griz football program so we continue to blow and glow about things we are guessing at. Unfortunate for many of the people involved (players-coaches) many rumors and outright lies fly by like snowflakes....but that is simply part of this blog all of us like to read. So as I sit in my Montana cabin with the snow flakes falling I am part of this. Yup, Go Griz!

What are you talking about? I am entitled to agree or disagree with anyone or any post. I merely said the following. Feel free to explain how my posts supports anything you said in your post. There is nothing wrong with what I said.

"We'll see how the Griz D performs next year. This confirms why I voted for Eriul as best female poster."

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

 

[Grizzoola]

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern:

1. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year.

2. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know.

3. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that.

4. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him.

5. He is a good recruiter.

6. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure.

7. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is.

8. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked.

9. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

I've parsed your "reasons" into intelligible form. They are all vapid, w/o substantive evidence. But, you're entitled to your opinion, for that is all it is.

 

[grzz]

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

Honest question PR. Do you think Ty was a better defensive coordinator for the Griz than Breske?

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern:

1. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year.

2. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know.

3. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that.

4. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him.

5. He is a good recruiter.

6. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure.

7. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is.

8. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked.

9. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

I've parsed your "reasons" into intelligible form. They are all vapid, w/o substantive evidence. But, you're entitled to your opinion, for that is all it is.

Actually, they are all valid and good. And, as we both know, some played the game, and you didn't---and don't have a clue.

 

[PlayerRep]

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

Honest question PR. Do you think Ty was a better defensive coordinator for the Griz than Breske?

Don't know. Never tried to compare. Probably Breske as he was older and had more experience, but TG is on way up and getting more experience. I liked Breske, but he probably wasn't perfect in all situations. How would you rate Breske's work at NDSU in 2009? "NDSU was ranked near the bottom of the Division I Football Championship Subdivision statistics in scoring defense and total defense for most of this season."

 

[grizindabox]

which is something that could never be proved....

There are many reasons that the defense could be worse next year.....new starters....younger starters....different starters....playing against better offenses.....

The reasons the defense could be worse out number the reasons the defense could be better.....

No excuses here.....just reality....but to pinpoint that the defense will be worse just because of TG is a poor assumption....

Nope, you are not correct. Changing coordinators, both on offense and defense, as well as other coaches, often have significant impacts on teams. Don't know why you seem to be unaware of that, or won't admit.

Not saying a coordinator change doesn't impact....but to point at that single thing as a reason is faulty....there is nothing to say that the defense wouldn't have been worse if TG had stayed.....sometimes a change can even be good....

Don't be so dense. I am saying I am concerned that the defense may be worse next year than it would have been if TG had remained as the DC. There is only one variable. TG as DC this year; TG not as DC next year. Nothing I said is faulty. It is my view, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the reasoning. The point is not whether the defense next year is better or worse than this year. That is not the point. The personnel doesn't matter with regard to my point.

so you are concerned about something that can never be proven....and to say TG is the only variable is incorrect....there will be different players and opponents....guess those variables don't count....talk about being dense....and how does personnel not play into whether a defense is better or worse...

 

[Addicted2Mediocracy]

Playa?
You ever had a girlfriend ?
And don't make up a story like you do about having played football.

 

[PlayerRep]

Nope, you are not correct. Changing coordinators, both on offense and defense, as well as other coaches, often have significant impacts on teams. Don't know why you seem to be unaware of that, or won't admit.

Not saying a coordinator change doesn't impact....but to point at that single thing as a reason is faulty....there is nothing to say that the defense wouldn't have been worse if TG had stayed.....sometimes a change can even be good....

Don't be so dense. I am saying I am concerned that the defense may be worse next year than it would have been if TG had remained as the DC. There is only one variable. TG as DC this year; TG not as DC next year. Nothing I said is faulty. It is my view, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with the reasoning. The point is not whether the defense next year is better or worse than this year. That is not the point. The personnel doesn't matter with regard to my point.

so you are concerned about something that can never be proven....and to say TG is the only variable is incorrect....there will be different players and opponents....guess those variables don't count....talk about being dense....and how does personnel not play into whether a defense is better or worse...

Nope, you are dense. Almost everything discussed on egriz about football can't be "proven". So what? Many things in the world can't be proven, but they are discussed and debated anyway. Yes, in what I am saying, the only variable is TG. That's the premise. The other things you mention are not variable. Take next year's team and opponents, and make one change: TG for the DC. That's the only variable in what I'm saying. I'm not comparing this year's team to next year's. Like I said, you are dense.

 

[grzz]

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

Honest question PR. Do you think Ty was a better defensive coordinator for the Griz than Breske?

Don't know. Never tried to compare. Probably Breske as he was older and had more experience, but TG is on way up and getting more experience. I liked Breske, but he probably wasn't perfect in all situations. How would you rate Breske's work at NDSU in 2009? "NDSU was ranked near the bottom of the Division I Football Championship Subdivision statistics in scoring defense and total defense for most of this season."

Thanks old neighbor. The NDSU season was odd, every year over both stints at UM were pretty good. I think his defense immediately before Ty took over was probably schematically better than Ty's four years, but Ty maintained it well.

 

[grizindabox]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

So by no statistical measure did the D improve. In actuality they declined in 2015. Parents? That's a nice touch.....

 

[Addicted2Mediocracy]

Wow! A dropped mic!
£#it gets crazy up in this mug.
The in'dense'ity on this board is amazing!!

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

The premise to my argument is that egriz would be a better place next season if Playa decided to become a Cat fan and never post again.

 

[PlayerRep]

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

By the measure of most Griz fans who actually attended games and followed the team closely. Did you attend any games? By the measure of other coaches. By the measure of multiple players and their parents. Just because you hold a grudge because your son didn't get to play for the defense, doesn't justify anything you say. In fact, it severely undercuts what you say.

So by no statistical measure did the D improve. In actuality they declined in 2015. Parents? That's a nice touch.....

Read the 2015 defensive stats, and you'll see various improvement there, as well as what I already pointed out. And when you cite out a cherry-picked stat or two, stop using stats that aren't on a per game basis (teams with longer seasons will give up more yards). And, also factor in the additional pressure the D was under this season, due to the hurry up, failure to convert on 4th down, interceptions, TOP, etc.