Central Ty Gregorak discussion thread

[PlayerRep]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Again, in my concern, no comparison is being made between 2015 and 2016. The comparison is 2016 to 2016, with only one variable. TG as DC, TG not a DC. Don't know why you can't grasp that. Stop talking about 2015. That is not what I'm saying or doing. Jeez, even worse than dense. No wonder 75 runs circles around you so easily.

 

[grizindabox]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Again, in my concern, no comparison is being made between 2015 and 2016. The comparison is 2016 to 2016, with only one variable. TG as DC, TG not a DC. Don't know why you can't grasp that. Stop talking about 2015. That is not what I'm saying or doing. Jeez, even worse than dense. No wonder 75 runs circles around you so easily.

so you think the defense will be worse in 2016 without TG than with TG.....OK.....I think the Cats defense will be worse with TG than without TG......anyone else want to play....I think the Griz defense will be better without TG....this is fun...

 

[PlayerRep]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Again, in my concern, no comparison is being made between 2015 and 2016. The comparison is 2016 to 2016, with only one variable. TG as DC, TG not a DC. Don't know why you can't grasp that. Stop talking about 2015. That is not what I'm saying or doing. Jeez, even worse than dense. No wonder 75 runs circles around you so easily.

so you think the defense will be worse in 2016 without TG than with TG.....OK.....I think the Cats defense will be worse with TG than without TG......anyone else want to play....I think the Griz defense will be better without TG....this is fun...

No, I am concerned that the UM D may not be as good in 2016 as it would have been with TG.

I wonder if you can get anyone, except an Alpha type, to agree with you that the Cat D in 2016 will be worse with TG than it would have been without him. You really are being silly now, but that's probably better than dense.

 

[grizindabox]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Again, in my concern, no comparison is being made between 2015 and 2016. The comparison is 2016 to 2016, with only one variable. TG as DC, TG not a DC. Don't know why you can't grasp that. Stop talking about 2015. That is not what I'm saying or doing. Jeez, even worse than dense. No wonder 75 runs circles around you so easily.

so you think the defense will be worse in 2016 without TG than with TG.....OK.....I think the Cats defense will be worse with TG than without TG......anyone else want to play....I think the Griz defense will be better without TG....this is fun...

No, I am concerned that the UM D may not be as good in 2016 as it would have been with TG.

I wonder if you can get anyone, except an Alpha type, to agree with you that the Cat D in 2016 will be worse with TG than it would have been without him. You really are being silly now, but that's probably better than dense.

point is....a statement that says the Cat defense will be worse with TG carries as much weight as your statement that the Griz defense will be worse without him....they are both worthless....get it silly man.....

 

[PlayerRep]

Again, in my concern, no comparison is being made between 2015 and 2016. The comparison is 2016 to 2016, with only one variable. TG as DC, TG not a DC. Don't know why you can't grasp that. Stop talking about 2015. That is not what I'm saying or doing. Jeez, even worse than dense. No wonder 75 runs circles around you so easily.

so you think the defense will be worse in 2016 without TG than with TG.....OK.....I think the Cats defense will be worse with TG than without TG......anyone else want to play....I think the Griz defense will be better without TG....this is fun...

No, I am concerned that the UM D may not be as good in 2016 as it would have been with TG.

I wonder if you can get anyone, except an Alpha type, to agree with you that the Cat D in 2016 will be worse with TG than it would have been without him. You really are being silly now, but that's probably better than dense.

point is....a statement that says the Cat defense will be worse with TG carries as much weight as your statement that the Griz defense will be worse without him....they are both worthless....get it silly man.....

Not true. A statement make by someone who is knowledgeable about football, as opposed to someone who is not knowledgeable about football, carries more weight. I don't know of a single person, except you, who believes the Cat D will be worse because they hired TG to be the DC. That is a ridiculous statement by you.

 

[grizindabox]

so you think the defense will be worse in 2016 without TG than with TG.....OK.....I think the Cats defense will be worse with TG than without TG......anyone else want to play....I think the Griz defense will be better without TG....this is fun...

No, I am concerned that the UM D may not be as good in 2016 as it would have been with TG.

I wonder if you can get anyone, except an Alpha type, to agree with you that the Cat D in 2016 will be worse with TG than it would have been without him. You really are being silly now, but that's probably better than dense.

point is....a statement that says the Cat defense will be worse with TG carries as much weight as your statement that the Griz defense will be worse without him....they are both worthless....get it silly man.....

Not true. A statement make by someone who is knowledgeable about football, as opposed to someone who is not knowledgeable about football, carries more weight. I don't know of a single person, except you, who believes the Cat D will be worse because they hired TG to be the DC. That is a ridiculous statement by you.

I know it was a ridiculous statement....that was the entire point of that statement.....and it is as worthless as your statement.....get it now silly man.....

 

[Ursa Major]

We'll see how the Griz D performs next year. This confirms why I voted for Eriul as best female poster.

Gee. I didn't know qualifications included always agreeing with you. I guess "female" posters aren't entitled to their own opinions. What in the world would any of us know about football??

Without your approval, PR, I don't know how I can go on . . .

Plus 1!!! I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a female poster on this board and deal with the misogyny and being ignored!

You hang in there, sugar pants!

 

[cmtgrizzly]

As I am sure you are all aware there are coaches still on this team that know exactly how TG ran the defense. If Stitt wanted to run the defense that way he could have probably made some concessions and kept TG here and still could run the defense the Gregorak way without him. Right or wrong Stitt doesn't want to run that defense. I see no reason to assume the defense will be worse just because TG is gone. The young guys stepping in may be better than the guys leaving and the new DC maybe better than TG. In any case, I think almost all of us are appreciative of the job he did and wish him good luck except when he plays us. Enjoy your memories of the TG defense but I think it's time to say goodbye to the coach and these arguments about whether we will be better or worse on defense and instead look forward with hope that our defense will be better than ever.

 

[PlayerRep]

No, I am concerned that the UM D may not be as good in 2016 as it would have been with TG.

I wonder if you can get anyone, except an Alpha type, to agree with you that the Cat D in 2016 will be worse with TG than it would have been without him. You really are being silly now, but that's probably better than dense.

point is....a statement that says the Cat defense will be worse with TG carries as much weight as your statement that the Griz defense will be worse without him....they are both worthless....get it silly man.....

Not true. A statement make by someone who is knowledgeable about football, as opposed to someone who is not knowledgeable about football, carries more weight. I don't know of a single person, except you, who believes the Cat D will be worse because they hired TG to be the DC. That is a ridiculous statement by you.

I know it was a ridiculous statement....that was the entire point of that statement.....and it is as worthless as your statement.....get it now silly man.....

You still don't get it. Your statement was ridiculous; mine was not.

 

[grizindabox]

point is....a statement that says the Cat defense will be worse with TG carries as much weight as your statement that the Griz defense will be worse without him....they are both worthless....get it silly man.....

Not true. A statement make by someone who is knowledgeable about football, as opposed to someone who is not knowledgeable about football, carries more weight. I don't know of a single person, except you, who believes the Cat D will be worse because they hired TG to be the DC. That is a ridiculous statement by you.

I know it was a ridiculous statement....that was the entire point of that statement.....and it is as worthless as your statement.....get it now silly man.....

You still don't get it. Your statement was ridiculous; mine was not.

Actually you still don't get it.....your statement was asinine....mine was mocking.....

 

[doc3kgt]

PR, please list the reasons the Griz D won't be as good next year with TG gone.

I said I was "concerned" about that, not that it will occur. Maybe the new DC will be the world's best DC. Possible reasons for concern. TG has been the DC for several years, has been with the Griz even longer, and has improved the defense each year. Some have said he is the best DC in the conference. I haven't looked around, so don't know. He is a very good linebacker coach. No one disputes that. He was very popular with the players. He is a very good motivator. Players have said he always had their backs. I believe players played very hard for him. He is a good recruiter. Other coaches may leave as a result of his departure. Players may or may not have to learn new defenses and techniques. Sometime that is not hard; sometimes it is. He will likely know the strengths and weaknesses of the defense and individual players. He will have ideas on how the defense can be attacked. New coaches, or a new DC, may make different personnel choices. That may impact the morale of some on the defense. I need to leave for dinner now, but I'm sure I could think of others.

In addition, I played the game. Ha. I had a new DC and new position coach for my senior year. I know the impact that had on the defense and individuals. Some were negative; some were positive. And while not just because of changes in the DC and some position coaches, our senior year D was not nearly as good as the prior year's D.

This is what I think. I also admit that the D could get better or be better due to a new DC. Don't think so, tho.

+1

TG improved the Griz D each year? By what measure? There was a significant drop in most defensive statistics in terms of National rankings in 2015. Rushing D, Total Yards, Scoring etc. Even your beloved "points per game" rank dropped to the mid '50s nationally. Last year it was one of the Griz strengths being ranked like 25th in the nation. I agree with you that nobody knows what will happen with the D in 2016......

Is this a function of the D? or having a sub par offense that put more pressure on the Offense? Not saying it is one way or the other, but the griz haven't been known for having a great offense for a while.

 

[doc3kgt]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Ever think that the reason you feel the defense wasn't as good this year isn't because of TG, but because of that stitt storm of an offense this year? Stitt even admited in an interview that his offense (when it isn't rolling) puts a ton of pressure on the defense.... Only time will tell, but I don't think slitt's system is going to be as great as everyone thinks.

 

[uofmman1122]

Well playa....almost everyone was concerned about the defense being worse even if TG didn't leave...also, TG leaving isn't the only variable....no matter how many times you try to say it is....if you are attempting to base the defensive performance on TG leaving only.....it is a right for that to be your premise....no matter how misguided it is.....if you want to call someone dense that calls out the flaws of your premise....then call me dense....doesn't change the fact that you are being an idiot.....

/drops mic

Ever think that the reason you feel the defense wasn't as good this year isn't because of TG, but because of that stitt storm of an offense this year? Stitt even admited in an interview that his offense (when it isn't rolling) puts a ton of pressure on the defense.... Only time will tell, but I don't think slitt's system is going to be as great as everyone thinks.

This is silly, and you needn't look any further than Ty's predecessor for proof.

Pflu's offense was very similar to Stitt's offense in that we almost always lost the TOP battle. Despite the late-season flurry (and even during it) the 2011 team had streaks where it would go stone cold and 3-and-out quite a bit. We were also all told before Pflu rolled out his offense that it would kill the defense.

And yet our best 2 defenses in the last 6 years were Breske defenses, and although we had Tru for both those years, you'd be hard pressed to find many who think the last three years' teams were lacking sufficient talent.

I won't pretend to know whether or not our defense will be better or worse next year, but I have faith in Stitt to find a capable replacement.

Also, you're a cat fan (and one of the bigger homer cat fans that posts on this board), so saying "I don't think Stitt's system is going to be as great as everyone thinks" as if you're being objective is just silly. You're inclined to not think so, and have been parroting that since you first started posting about Stitt. That he's already proven you wrong is besides the point, but you haven't shown any reason why you wouldn't think the same even if Jim Harbaugh became our coach.

We get that you think he's going to fail. You can just announce it now and save repeating yourself by not posting again until August. :lol:

 

[Umista]

Lets all give doc3 the clap for his radical anti stitt posts. Another of the msu bloaters that sneak on our board and add nothing but dope. Meanwhile msu continues to lose every year...Yes, they even steal from us but things will NEVER CHANGE.

 

[MsMaroon]

We'll see how the Griz D performs next year. This confirms why I voted for Eriul as best female poster.

Gee. I didn't know qualifications included always agreeing with you. I guess "female" posters aren't entitled to their own opinions. What in the world would any of us know about football??

Without your approval, PR, I don't know how I can go on . . .

Plus 1!!! I can't imagine how difficult it is to be a female poster on this board and deal with the misogyny and being ignored!

You hang in there, sugar pants!

Thanks, Boo Boo. **sniff**

 

[Buttegrizzle]

MsMaroon you must be crushed not getting PRs validation.

I'm thinking Ty G. jumped a little too quick. He could be heading to Oregon State about now...
And no one would question it.

 

[EverettGriz]

MsMaroon you must be crushed not getting PRs validation.

I'm thinking Ty G. jumped a little too quick. He could be heading to Oregon State about now...
And no one would question it.

Gotta hand it to PR: he continues to stretch the field in douche baggery.

 

[bgbigdog]

Lets all give doc3 the clap for his radical anti stitt posts. Another of the msu bloaters that sneak on our board and add nothing but dope. Meanwhile msu continues to lose every year...Yes, they even steal from us but things will NEVER CHANGE.

So are we banding guy like he was on BN or what? Pretty sure that clap thing would be redundant anyway. All in favor of banding?