Calling it right now, 8-3 regular season

[mikegriz]

Flame away. This might've been the best team in the conference we lost to and they were pumped up by being at their home opener, surprised with new unis/helmets, and on a roll. And yet we took them to the wire.

Yes, errors, yes bad stuff and big concerns. This team will get better, I see a big winning streak starting next week.

I'll start by saying that I hope you are right. Unfortunately, I don't think you are. Yes, they played much better than the week before. However, that isn't saying much, and unless Coach Delaney makes some serious changes in pass defense the rest of the world's got our number and (much as I hate to say it) I see a 5-6 season coming. I hope you are right and I am wrong, but that's how I'm seeing it.

 

[PlayerRep]

I just find it comical that the same posters bitching about playing Fort Lewis, Western State, etc., etc. and not playing REAL competition are now bitching because we're losing to REAL competition. :lol: :lol:

And many of them were complaining that Bobby couldn't win the big one (and was a bad coach).

 

[Tokyogriz]

This team is going to finish 6-5 IMO. MSU is going to take this team to the woodshed and they will also have another meltdown against an inferior team.

But like I said before with the non stop (and mostly unwarranted attacks) on UM Football for the last year just getting through the season and trying to maintain UM Football as a program is an accomplishment and more important than just winning games.

The EWU loss does show quite a bit about the team unfortunately, both the players and COACHES. The sooner coach D retires and we get a coach who is in this for the long haul the better.

 

[AZGrizFan]

This team is going to finish 6-5 IMO. MSU is going to take this team to the woodshed and they will also have another meltdown against an inferior team.

But like I said before with the non stop (and mostly unwarranted attacks) on UM Football for the last year just getting through the season and trying to maintain UM Football as a program is an accomplishment and more important than just winning games.

The EWU loss does show quite a bit about the team unfortunately, both the players and COACHES. The sooner coach D retires and we get a coach who is in this for the long haul the better.

The MSU team I watched play SUU on Saturday isn't taking anybody to the woodshed this year. :? :? :?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

I think we'll either go 8-3 or 7-4. In either case, I think we go to the playoffs and have a reasonable chance of knocking off some higher seeds.

We're a very young team with a first-year coaching staff. We lost some NFL-caliber players on defense. It was never gonna be smooth sailing, but smooth sailing doesn't build character. It's the choppy seas that do that.

 

[kurtismichael]

I think we'll either go 8-3 or 7-4. In either case, I think we go to the playoffs and have a reasonable chance of knocking off some higher seeds.

We're a very young team with a first-year coaching staff. We lost some NFL-caliber players on defense. It was never gonna be smooth sailing, but smooth sailing doesn't build character. It's the choppy seas that do that.

:clap: :thumb:

 

[tnt]

I just find it comical that the same posters bitching about playing Fort Lewis, Western State, etc., etc. and not playing REAL competition are now bitching because we're losing to REAL competition. :lol: :lol:

And many of them were complaining that Bobby couldn't win the big one (and was a bad coach).

Bobby was a bad coach and didn't have the flexibility or ability to win the big one. We knew this was going to be a tough/bad year BEFORE the firings, suspensions etc. The simple fact is we have lot better team than was expected by most. The coaching staff has started to restore the discipline and class that was slipping away. While some question coaching decisions, the fact is had they has gone the OTHER sat. way they would have been genius. Mix it up pass more or protect the team from unnecessary turn overs at it matures - easy to second guess. While the fan base was hoping for a drop down quarter back, it appears we should have been looking for drop down corners.....

8 and 3 is MORE than possible.........

 

[Grizzoola]

This team is going to finish 6-5 IMO. MSU is going to take this team to the woodshed and they will also have another meltdown against an inferior team.

But like I said before with the non stop (and mostly unwarranted attacks) on UM Football for the last year just getting through the season and trying to maintain UM Football as a program is an accomplishment and more important than just winning games.

The EWU loss does show quite a bit about the team unfortunately, both the players and COACHES. The sooner coach D retires and we get a coach who is in this for the long haul the better.

The MSU team I watched play SUU on Saturday isn't taking anybody to the woodshed this year. :? :? :?

Amen to that.

 

[AZGrizFan]

While the fan base was hoping for a drop down quarter back, it appears we should have been looking for drop down corners.....

The staff knew this was going to be an area of concern...that's why they went out and got two DB drop downs. We have one drop down corner who never leaves the field (Godwin) and a unfortunately drop down safety who's career has been ended by a neck/spine injury.

Kevin Frank or Marlin Miles would certainly help out about now....our best corner is a converted WR, and our backup safety is a converted LB. :? :?

 

[mtgrizfankb]

UND looked mid par, msu looked childish at times. we have a chance to destroy them. Sure we lost......but come late oct. This team will have more character than most griz teams. They have played in 2 tough tough games and already learned not to look ahead. I'm with ya here. We roll til we play the cats. We DESTROY the cats here this year. Cats have learned nothing and staggered around in wins.

 

[greasewood]

12-3

 

[AZGrizFan]

12-3

I like the way you think. :thumb: :thumb:

 

[wbtfg]

12-3

Might as well book that flight to Frisco right now.

 

[Hammer]

Flame away. This might've been the best team in the conference we lost to and they were pumped up by being at their home opener, surprised with new unis/helmets, and on a roll. And yet we took them to the wire.

Yes, errors, yes bad stuff and big concerns. This team will get better, I see a big winning streak starting next week.

Im in! :thumb:

 

[AZGrizFan]

12-3

Might as well book that flight to Frisco right now.

I booked mine with about 8 minutes left in the 4th quarter Saturday.

 

[Potomac Griz]

I just find it comical that the same posters bitching about playing Fort Lewis, Western State, etc., etc. and not playing REAL competition are now bitching because we're losing to REAL competition. :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but that's actually a really really bad argument to make. Bitching about playing teams that do nothing but hurt our chances of getting into the playoffs even with a win has absolutely nothing to do with people being frustrated over how the Griz have lost the past 2 games after blowing decent leads.

Comparing apples and oranges here really...

Oh and for the record, I thought Hauck was a hell of a coach. Unsure why anyone would disagree really... more wins than any other coach in Griz FB history other than Don Read, and 2nd for winning % only to Joe Glenn, and people think he was a bad coach because he didn't win a NC? Have to GET to the NC to even have a chance at winning one... no playoffs = no chance at a NC.

What I find kind of funny is how some of the people who say Hauck was a bad coach are kissing Delany's ass and saying he's a great coach. How do you explain that with your comparisons AZGrizFan?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

This team is going to finish 6-5 IMO. MSU is going to take this team to the woodshed and they will also have another meltdown against an inferior team.

But like I said before with the non stop (and mostly unwarranted attacks) on UM Football for the last year just getting through the season and trying to maintain UM Football as a program is an accomplishment and more important than just winning games.

The EWU loss does show quite a bit about the team unfortunately, both the players and COACHES. The sooner coach D retires and we get a coach who is in this for the long haul the better.

The MSU team I watched play SUU on Saturday isn't taking anybody to the woodshed this year. :? :? :?

Tokyogriz has a realistic view here. Do Griz faithful really see this team not having another 3 or 4
turnover game? It may not be against MSU but it will happen again this year, probably two more times. Of course I agree with him on Delaney The sooner the Griz get a long term coach the better. That is just common sense.

 

[AZGrizFan]

I just find it comical that the same posters bitching about playing Fort Lewis, Western State, etc., etc. and not playing REAL competition are now bitching because we're losing to REAL competition. :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but that's actually a really really bad argument to make. Bitching about playing teams that do nothing but hurt our chances of getting into the playoffs even with a win has absolutely nothing to do with people being frustrated over how the Griz have lost the past 2 games after blowing decent leads.

Comparing apples and oranges here really...

Oh and for the record, I thought Hauck was a hell of a coach. Unsure why anyone would disagree really... more wins than any other coach in Griz FB history other than Don Read, and 2nd for winning % only to Joe Glenn, and people think he was a bad coach because he didn't win a NC? Have to GET to the NC to even have a chance at winning one... no playoffs = no chance at a NC.

What I find kind of funny is how some of the people who say Hauck was a bad coach are kissing Delany's ass and saying he's a great coach. How do you explain that with your comparisons AZGrizFan?

Nobody is in jail under Delaney?

 

[Potomac Griz]

I just find it comical that the same posters bitching about playing Fort Lewis, Western State, etc., etc. and not playing REAL competition are now bitching because we're losing to REAL competition. :lol: :lol:

Sorry, but that's actually a really really bad argument to make. Bitching about playing teams that do nothing but hurt our chances of getting into the playoffs even with a win has absolutely nothing to do with people being frustrated over how the Griz have lost the past 2 games after blowing decent leads.

Comparing apples and oranges here really...

Oh and for the record, I thought Hauck was a hell of a coach. Unsure why anyone would disagree really... more wins than any other coach in Griz FB history other than Don Read, and 2nd for winning % only to Joe Glenn, and people think he was a bad coach because he didn't win a NC? Have to GET to the NC to even have a chance at winning one... no playoffs = no chance at a NC.

What I find kind of funny is how some of the people who say Hauck was a bad coach are kissing Delany's ass and saying he's a great coach. How do you explain that with your comparisons AZGrizFan?

Nobody is in jail under Delaney?

So you are OK for blaming a college kid doing something stupid on their own time on the coaching staff, yet don't think that the coaching staff should be criticized for coaching decisions like going super conservative when they get the lead two games in a row with bad results?

K, gotcha, as long as I understand where you are coming from now

Seriously though, for the sake of argument, lets say Delaney is judge fucking dread when it comes to the law and team rules.

There's a little thing though about college age kids... many of them are idiots So even having the most strict football coach in the world isn't going to prevent them from occasionally doing stupid stuff.

I don't mean that in as harsh of a way as it comes across either... I was in that age range at one point too.. I was an idiot as well... In fact I'd say between the ages of 13 and 26, people should be considered still in their dumbass phase. After you hit about 26 you get into the "real world" phase and realize that you were an absolute fucking moron for the past 13 (give or take a few years) years of your life.

So...where am I going with this... eventually some player will fuck up big time, their name will be in the news, Florio will cackle with glee and spew out another error-laden article about it, and Cat fans will wet themselves with enjoyment seeing it. When that happens will that be Delaney's fault? In my opinion, unless he's the one whispering in the kids ear "Hey..dude...why don't you <insert idiotic college age shit here>...it'll be awesome!" then no... he's not at fault, and no he couldn't do anything to stop it from happening.

With that said... I do however think that the coaching staff is fair game for criticism when it comes to things like what we saw the past couple of games without being labeled bad fans or anything like that. If we were bad fans or bandwagon fans, or whatever other term people want to use, we wouldn't give a rats ass anymore and wouldn't even be posting about our frustration on a fan message board

 

[AZGrizFan]

So you are OK for blaming a college kid doing something stupid on their own time on the coaching staff, yet don't think that the coaching staff should be criticized for coaching decisions like going super conservative when they get the lead two games in a row with bad results?

K, gotcha, as long as I understand where you are coming from now

Seriously though, for the sake of argument, lets say Delaney is judge fucking dread when it comes to the law and team rules.

There's a little thing though about college age kids... many of them are idiots So even having the most strict football coach in the world isn't going to prevent them from occasionally doing stupid stuff.

I don't mean that in as harsh of a way as it comes across either... I was in that age range at one point too.. I was an idiot as well... In fact I'd say between the ages of 13 and 26, people should be considered still in their dumbass phase. After you hit about 26 you get into the "real world" phase and realize that you were an absolute fucking moron for the past 13 (give or take a few years) years of your life.

So...where am I going with this... eventually some player will fuck up big time, their name will be in the news, Florio will cackle with glee and spew out another error-laden article about it, and Cat fans will wet themselves with enjoyment seeing it. When that happens will that be Delaney's fault? In my opinion, unless he's the one whispering in the kids ear "Hey..dude...why don't you <insert idiotic college age shit here>...it'll be awesome!" then no... he's not at fault, and no he couldn't do anything to stop it from happening.

With that said... I do however think that the coaching staff is fair game for criticism when it comes to things like what we saw the past couple of games without being labeled bad fans or anything like that. If we were bad fans or bandwagon fans, or whatever other term people want to use, we wouldn't give a rats ass anymore and wouldn't even be posting about our frustration on a fan message board

a) I don't think the coaches are immune from cricisim for poor coaching decisions, but I don't think that's the first time we've seen a football coach in America go conservative with 5 minutes to play and a 2-score lead. A couple first downs on the 1st drive, or hell even recover the onside kick and we've all got Delaney on our shoulders heralding him as the next coming of Don Read (or Tom Osborne, given the offense ).

b) I agree about the young adult behavior...in another lifetime, long long ago I too was 19. It's a proven scientific fact that the human brain (particularly the MALE brain) frontal lobe development happens later than females and may not be fully developed until age 24-25. That fact is used to "excuse" a lot of piss poor decisions in our youth (and coincidentally explains somewhat why we feel indestructible in our youth...).

c) And no, I don't necessarily think the coach can "control" the players 24/7 or is "at fault" for players actions, however I do believe THIS: The discipline dealt out by the coach for small violations NOW has the ability to potentially PREVENT bigger things from happening later. In THAT way a coach CAN influence his players future actions. And the actions taken by Delaney IF something big happens will send a strong message to the team, the administration and the community as to whether or not those types of actions will continue to be tolerated.

Being the head coach is one thing. Being a true leader is something totally different. Leadership is a fickle and funny thing. The perceived lack of it can lead to devastating consequences....