Bob Stitt has Earned a New Contract

[i_the_sky]

HELL NO! The Smellykats haven't beaten one good team all year! And the Grizzlies own the Kitty-box!!! If we lose we stay home.And Stitt loses loses his job!"NUFF SAID"!!! I expect the Grizzlies will win BIG! Anything less means hiring Bobby Hauck back or someone equal who will take the pay.

 

[PlayerRep]

About the Delaney/Stitt stuff, STATS had us ranked high, but Massey had us a lot lower.

Final Massey/STATS ratings:
2012: 33 STATS: Unranked
2013: 18 STATS: 8
2014: 21 STATS: 12
2015: 17 STATS: 14
2016: 32 STATS: Unranked
2017: 18 STATS: Unranked

Maybe the truth is in between? But it does at least sort of support AZ's take that we were over-ranked before and under-ranked now.

FWIW, MSU is ranked 31 in Massey right now.

By the end of the season, the polls tend to match up with the rankings of the playoff selection committee combined with success in the playoffs. My goal for UM is to make the playoffs and advance, not be rated high by a computer program. Note that Massey has UM at a 18 in 2013 and 2017. In 2013, UM was a top 8 seed in the playoffs. In 2017, UM is wondering if it will make the playoffs, even with a win over the Cats. Sorry to break it to you, but the playoff selection committee and its polls are more important than Massey's computer program.

 

[PlayerRep]

Note how similar the Playoff Selection Rankings and Stats Poll were last week. Exact same top 10. A few teams were ranked up 1 or down 1 in the two, but that was the only difference.

Playoff Selection Committee, last week:

1. JMU
2. JSU
3. UCA
4. NDSU
5. SHSU
6. Elon
7. SDSU
8. Wofford
9. South Dakota
10. North Carolina A&T

Stats Poll, last week:

1 James Madison

2 Jacksonville State

3 Central Arkansas

4 Sam Houston State

5 North Dakota State

6 South Dakota State

7 Elon

8 Wofford

9 North Carolina A&T

10 South Dakota

 

[AZGrizFan]

About the Delaney/Stitt stuff, STATS had us ranked high, but Massey had us a lot lower.

Final Massey/STATS ratings:
2012: 33 STATS: Unranked
2013: 18 STATS: 8
2014: 21 STATS: 12
2015: 17 STATS: 14
2016: 32 STATS: Unranked
2017: 18 STATS: Unranked

Maybe the truth is in between? But it does at least sort of support AZ's take that we were over-ranked before and under-ranked now.

FWIW, MSU is ranked 31 in Massey right now.

By the end of the season, the polls tend to match up with the rankings of the playoff selection committee combined with success in the playoffs. My goal for UM is to make the playoffs and advance, not be rated high by a computer program. Note that Massey has UM at a 18 in 2013 and 2017. In 2013, UM was a top 8 seed in the playoffs. In 2017, UM is wondering if it will make the playoffs, even with a win over the Cats. Sorry to break it to you, but the playoff selection committee and its polls are more important than Massey's computer program.

The Massey stuff supports my argument that pollsters are idiots. 18 in 2013, polls have then 8th. 18th in 2017, polls have them TWENTY EIGHTH. And being a top 8 seed doesn't mean shit if you don't perform in the playoffs--which Delaney-coached teams didn't...thus the "overrated" for their talent comment. Either they were overrated, or they underperformed....one is a coaching issue, one isn't. I'll let you figure it out since I never played the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

While this is not apples to apples, this week's Massey ratings are much different than the Playoff Selection and Stats.

For example, West. Ill. is 5th, So. Utah is 6, Weber St. 8, No. Iowa 10, Del. 14, Yale 15, NC A&T 17. In Stats poll, Del. and Yale aren't even in top 25. No. Iowa is 24, Weber and So. Utah are 12 and 14.

Thus, I think the computer rankings can't be compared to the polls, as some of the computer ranked teams are completely different than the polls (and at least this year, the Playoff Selection Committee top 10).

 

[PlayerRep]

About the Delaney/Stitt stuff, STATS had us ranked high, but Massey had us a lot lower.

Final Massey/STATS ratings:
2012: 33 STATS: Unranked
2013: 18 STATS: 8
2014: 21 STATS: 12
2015: 17 STATS: 14
2016: 32 STATS: Unranked
2017: 18 STATS: Unranked

Maybe the truth is in between? But it does at least sort of support AZ's take that we were over-ranked before and under-ranked now.

FWIW, MSU is ranked 31 in Massey right now.

By the end of the season, the polls tend to match up with the rankings of the playoff selection committee combined with success in the playoffs. My goal for UM is to make the playoffs and advance, not be rated high by a computer program. Note that Massey has UM at a 18 in 2013 and 2017. In 2013, UM was a top 8 seed in the playoffs. In 2017, UM is wondering if it will make the playoffs, even with a win over the Cats. Sorry to break it to you, but the playoff selection committee and its polls are more important than Massey's computer program.

The Massey stuff supports my argument that pollsters are idiots. 18 in 2013, polls have then 8th. 18th in 2017, polls have them TWENTY EIGHTH. And being a top 8 seed doesn't mean shit if you don't perform in the playoffs--which Delaney-coached teams didn't...thus the "overrated" for their talent comment. Either they were overrated, or they underperformed....one is a coaching issue, one isn't. I'll let you figure it out since I never played the game.

No, the Massey stuff indicates that the computer rankings are way off in some cases. Also, it's clear, this year and in the past, that the Playoff Selection Committee's views match up with the polls and don't agree at all with Massey. And, another view is this shows that Massey and the computers, and people who are agree with them, are idiots. Ha.

At least, when Delaney had a qb on the team who had throw a few passes in a college game, his teams could get into the playoffs. Let's hope the trend line on that one doesn't continue this year.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Note how similar the Playoff Selection Rankings and Stats Poll were last week. Exact same top 10. A few teams were ranked up 1 or down 1 in the two, but that was the only difference.

Playoff Selection Committee, last week:

1. JMU
2. JSU
3. UCA
4. NDSU
5. SHSU
6. Elon
7. SDSU
8. Wofford
9. South Dakota
10. North Carolina A&T

Stats Poll, last week:

1 James Madison

2 Jacksonville State

3 Central Arkansas

4 Sam Houston State

5 North Dakota State

6 South Dakota State

7 Elon

8 Wofford

9 North Carolina A&T

10 South Dakota

 

[AZGrizFan]

About the Delaney/Stitt stuff, STATS had us ranked high, but Massey had us a lot lower.

Final Massey/STATS ratings:
2012: 33 STATS: Unranked
2013: 18 STATS: 8
2014: 21 STATS: 12
2015: 17 STATS: 14
2016: 32 STATS: Unranked
2017: 18 STATS: Unranked

Maybe the truth is in between? But it does at least sort of support AZ's take that we were over-ranked before and under-ranked now.

FWIW, MSU is ranked 31 in Massey right now.

By the end of the season, the polls tend to match up with the rankings of the playoff selection committee combined with success in the playoffs. My goal for UM is to make the playoffs and advance, not be rated high by a computer program. Note that Massey has UM at a 18 in 2013 and 2017. In 2013, UM was a top 8 seed in the playoffs. In 2017, UM is wondering if it will make the playoffs, even with a win over the Cats. Sorry to break it to you, but the playoff selection committee and its polls are more important than Massey's computer program.

The Massey stuff supports my argument that pollsters are idiots. 18 in 2013, polls have then 8th. 18th in 2017, polls have them TWENTY EIGHTH. And being a top 8 seed doesn't mean shit if you don't perform in the playoffs--which Delaney-coached teams didn't...thus the "overrated" for their talent comment. Either they were overrated, or they underperformed....one is a coaching issue, one isn't. I'll let you figure it out since I never played the game.

No, the Massey stuff indicates that the computer rankings are way off in some cases. Also, it's clear, this year and in the past, that the Playoff Selection Committee's views match up with the polls and don't agree at all with Massey. And, another view is this shows that Massey and the computers, and people who are agree with them, are idiots. Ha.

At least, when Delaney had a qb on the team who had throw a few passes in a college game, his teams could get into the playoffs. Let's hope the trend line on that one doesn't continue this year.

Seeded teams don't lose to unseeded teams AT HOME. Delaney's teams were over-rated/over ranked for their performance/coaching level.

Stitt already has as many playoff victories as Delaney. When we make the playoffs this year he'll have as many playoff appearances as Delaney. When we win the first game he'll have MORE playoff victories than Delaney in his first three years. If Delaney is your bar, Stitt will have exceeded that bar in about the next 12 days.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

Yes! He has recruited very well. We are poised to make the playoffs and most importantly he has the locker room. The team appears unified this year (looking in from the outside) which was my concern in past seasons. I believe Coach Stitt deserves an extension and I’m glad to have this staff. I like the direction we are going.

In the alternative, does anyone think the program would be better served starting over, losing some commits and team stability, and then rebuilding for at least a couple more seasons under someone else?

This.

Therein lies the question. Do you think Bob Stitt has the coaching skill sets to produce a championship level team in the FCS? The jury is still out on that question for me.

 

[garizzalies]

AZ, dude I think you should pump the breaks a bit. Maybe Brint over-served you koolaid. I have seen several posts from you about “when...” UM beats the cats, wins a playoff game, etc. Maybe they will but I don’t understand how you can be so sure

 

[PlayerRep]

By the end of the season, the polls tend to match up with the rankings of the playoff selection committee combined with success in the playoffs. My goal for UM is to make the playoffs and advance, not be rated high by a computer program. Note that Massey has UM at a 18 in 2013 and 2017. In 2013, UM was a top 8 seed in the playoffs. In 2017, UM is wondering if it will make the playoffs, even with a win over the Cats. Sorry to break it to you, but the playoff selection committee and its polls are more important than Massey's computer program.

The Massey stuff supports my argument that pollsters are idiots. 18 in 2013, polls have then 8th. 18th in 2017, polls have them TWENTY EIGHTH. And being a top 8 seed doesn't mean shit if you don't perform in the playoffs--which Delaney-coached teams didn't...thus the "overrated" for their talent comment. Either they were overrated, or they underperformed....one is a coaching issue, one isn't. I'll let you figure it out since I never played the game.

No, the Massey stuff indicates that the computer rankings are way off in some cases. Also, it's clear, this year and in the past, that the Playoff Selection Committee's views match up with the polls and don't agree at all with Massey. And, another view is this shows that Massey and the computers, and people who are agree with them, are idiots. Ha.

At least, when Delaney had a qb on the team who had throw a few passes in a college game, his teams could get into the playoffs. Let's hope the trend line on that one doesn't continue this year.

Seeded teams don't lose to unseeded teams AT HOME. Delaney's teams were over-rated/over ranked for their performance/coaching level.

Stitt already has as many playoff victories as Delaney. When we make the playoffs this year he'll have as many playoff appearances as Delaney. When we win the first game he'll have MORE playoff victories than Delaney in his first three years. If Delaney is your bar, Stitt will have exceeded that bar in about the next 12 days.

If the Griz don't make the playoffs this year, for whatever reason, Stitt will not be over the Delaney bar (which you think is low). In fact, he will be below it. That's been my main point the last several days. Where is this great upward trajectory, especially if the Griz don't win the next game? A lot is riding on the Cat game.

 

[AZGrizFan]

AZ, dude I think you should pump the breaks a bit. Maybe Brint over-served you koolaid. I have seen several posts from you about “when...” UM beats the cats, wins a playoff game, etc. Maybe they will but I don’t understand how you can be so sure

I'm from the future, dude.

 

[AZGrizFan]

If the Griz don't make the playoffs this year, for whatever reason, Sittt will not be over the Delaney bar (which you think is low). In fact, he will be below it. That's been my main point the last several days. Where is this great upward trajectory, especially if the Griz don't win the next game? A lot is riding on the Cat game.

Like I said, when we beat the 'scats and win our first playoff game this year, Stitt will have exceeded Delaney, which you seem to hold up as the standard for "upward trajectory".

 

[Stop_HammerTime69]

HELL NO! The Smellykats haven't beaten one good team all year! And the Grizzlies own the Kitty-box!!! If we lose we stay home.And Stitt loses loses his job!"NUFF SAID"!!! I expect the Grizzlies will win BIG! Anything less means hiring Bobby Hauck back or someone equal who will take the pay.

Do you spend more time inebriated than sober? Because I can't see how anyone could have another dude's dick in their mouth for as long as you have, while fully conscious.

 

[PlayerRep]

If the Griz don't make the playoffs this year, for whatever reason, Sittt will not be over the Delaney bar (which you think is low). In fact, he will be below it. That's been my main point the last several days. Where is this great upward trajectory, especially if the Griz don't win the next game? A lot is riding on the Cat game.

Like I said, when we beat the 'scats and win our first playoff game this year, Stitt will have exceeded Delaney, which you seem to hold up as the standard for "upward trajectory".

No, I don't have Delaney's teams as the standard. However, when people like you talk about how wonderful things are now, I point out that they're not yet even as good as they were when Delaney left. My bar is much higher. My bar is the Hauck years. I hope UM can get back close to the top and stay up there, but I'm not sure if that can be replicated. Nevertheless, that is my goal. Beat Cats, win conference, and advance in the playoffs. Lots of home playoff games. Making the playoffs 1 or 2 of 3 years, is not my idea of improvement. In fact, it's a total move in the wrong direction. I am still hopeful, but UM needs to beat the Cats, and UM still has a long way to go.

 

[Spanky]

Player....excellent post!

 

[garizzalies]

AZ, dude I think you should pump the breaks a bit. Maybe Brint over-served you koolaid. I have seen several posts from you about “when...” UM beats the cats, wins a playoff game, etc. Maybe they will but I don’t understand how you can be so sure

I'm from the future, dude.

That actually makes more sense than the stats you’ve been throwing around

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Here's how this thread works:

The proposition was that Stitt deserves a new contract, regardless of what happens on Saturday. Come on in, state your opinion, and then get the hell out. There will be no ongoing debate.

Sincerely,

John Donvan, Moderator

I always knew you were a shanty Irish bastard

It's Donvan, not Donovan. Isn't that, like, Dutch or something?

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Fear is mankind’s greatest motivator; always has been, always will.

I'm pretty sure that, when it comes to job performance, that theory was disproved in about 1930.

 

[retiredpopo]

no way no how Stitt will get replaced no matter what the outcome of Saturday's game.....there is a big money crunch and we can not afford to hire a better coach.......of course there is no way will not crush the cats I foresee a beat down of the poor cats.