Blue Bloods FCS pre-season AA Teams

[SoldierGriz]

If teams who have 6th place conference finishes can't get players on all-American teams, how did the Griz get 4 first team All-Americans on its 6th place conference team after last season? Maybe because the dumbasses at Hero Sport don't pick the main all-American teams.

PR - where did you get 4x first team last year? Just curious.

https://fcsinsider.com/news/2022/12/20/football-2022-stats-perform-fcs-all-america-team

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

We are now going to hold it AGAINST Bobby Hauck that he is one of the best special teams coaches in the country? I'm sorry, what? That is absolutely a part of what makes Hauck a strong coach, especially at the FCS level. Not a lot of coaches are great at coaching special teams, and even most people whose job is to coordinate special teams thinks of it as a crappy assignment. We, thankfully, have a coach who embraces that part of the game and excels at it. We always have a strong punting game. We always have strong returners. And we always do a pretty good job in kick coverage. Those are part of winning a game, not something you just write off.

We beat SEMO. I don't see how you can hold a victory against us. For everyone saying we "came out flat," a person could point to the other side of the coin and say that the staff sure managed to fire up the team for the second half. All that matters is the end result of the game, which is why I have also been happy to admit that our trend line turned downward last season.

It was a hell of a 2nd half. That's a fact.

Agree we are lucky to have a very, very good special teams coach.

I'd rather we not have a repeat, ever, but man, that second half had me absolutely screaming in my living room. (I wasn't in town for the game at all).

And glad we agree there. We are very lucky to have a special teams coach who knows how to do it and doesn't treat that unit as a boring afterthought. I think if you listen to Corcoran's calls, he's actually becoming more adept at calling special teams just with whatever Hauck is going over with him. I've noticed that a bit as they go.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe Stitt and Delaney have nothing to do with year SIX of Bobby 2.0. Is it really expecting miracles given the length of time he’s been back? Or are we going to be blaming our woes on Stitt and Delaney for the next 20?

Both can be true.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok. Sure.

 

[bgbigdog]

We are now going to hold it AGAINST Bobby Hauck that he is one of the best special teams coaches in the country? I'm sorry, what? That is absolutely a part of what makes Hauck a strong coach, especially at the FCS level. Not a lot of coaches are great at coaching special teams, and even most people whose job is to coordinate special teams thinks of it as a crappy assignment. We, thankfully, have a coach who embraces that part of the game and excels at it. We always have a strong punting game. We always have strong returners. And we always do a pretty good job in kick coverage. Those are part of winning a game, not something you just write off.

We beat SEMO. I don't see how you can hold a victory against us. For everyone saying we "came out flat," a person could point to the other side of the coin and say that the staff sure managed to fire up the team for the second half. All that matters is the end result of the game, which is why I have also been happy to admit that our trend line turned downward last season.

Just to confirm, Bobby is the head football coach at Montana. Special teams are his side hustle. He didn't leave a comfortable position at more money with SDSU to come be a special teams coach. Did he? And normally, he's very good at that. But you know what, we discovered on a number of occasions last season, including two losses, that there are some good special teams coaches across the sidelines. Yeah, it can be a thankless job, but people get paid to do it. Guys who are probably also hoping for the opportunity to be a head coach one day. Guys who watch the film and scheme things up that can the difference in winning and losing. Thats the only way to reconcile the mishandled onside kicks, and though he wont take credit for it because it's an offensive play, all the blocked extra points. The frequency in which we saw those things last season, didn't happen in any previous season he's coached at Montana, ever. So yeah, the "trendline turned downward last season."

Let me just throw this out at you for fun. I still maintain SEMO gagged, big time. They were all over a Montana team that didn't have an answer at the half, and I also maintain the reason for that was Montana came out flat. The comeback was the product of a couple of returns and the awakening of a sleepwalking team. In that second half, SEMO went flat, They were a big, fast team that wasn't intimidated by WaGriz, they just thought that one was over when they returned for the second half. The following week in Fargo, the Griz took a one point lead into half, and while that's not 21, being ahead in Fargo at any point is a significant accomplishment. They were running the ball as well, which I maintain they gave up on too soon because they were playing without their "Johnson." That said, what happened in that second half? They sure didn't manage to keep the fire lit, did they? So go ahead and praise the coaches when they adjust on the fly and a plan comes together, but it's also fair to level criticisms when they don't. What happened was the worn-down defense couldn't hold up and they went away from those things that made them successful in the first half, like running the damn ball. They were on the field an entire game longer than the offense this past season. And I'm not blaming any of those kids for anything. They played their guts out. But playing with the elite is hard if you're dinged up, worn out, and missing key players.

And finally, for Montana to do anything this season, and this has already been said, there needs to be credible offensive production. Every.single.game. Yards, points, and TOP so the defense doesn't play a whole game more than they should. You're absolutely right in the fact that you don't write off those elements of the game that get you wins. I'm hopeful that the specials return to the expected level of excellence, and even more so around finding an offensive scheme that allows the stars they have to shine. Anything less, and it will be another disappointing season. If that happens, that's squarely on Hauck, the head coach. If they can fix the things that are wrong, and they win, it's his triumph, because he's the head coach. Not because he's the special teams coach.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

We are now going to hold it AGAINST Bobby Hauck that he is one of the best special teams coaches in the country? I'm sorry, what? That is absolutely a part of what makes Hauck a strong coach, especially at the FCS level. Not a lot of coaches are great at coaching special teams, and even most people whose job is to coordinate special teams thinks of it as a crappy assignment. We, thankfully, have a coach who embraces that part of the game and excels at it. We always have a strong punting game. We always have strong returners. And we always do a pretty good job in kick coverage. Those are part of winning a game, not something you just write off.

We beat SEMO. I don't see how you can hold a victory against us. For everyone saying we "came out flat," a person could point to the other side of the coin and say that the staff sure managed to fire up the team for the second half. All that matters is the end result of the game, which is why I have also been happy to admit that our trend line turned downward last season.

Just to confirm, Bobby is the head football coach at Montana. Special teams are his side hustle. He didn't leave a comfortable position at more money with SDSU to come be a special teams coach. Did he? And normally, he's very good at that. But you know what, we discovered on a number of occasions last season, including two losses, that there are some good special teams coaches across the sidelines. Yeah, it can be a thankless job, but people get paid to do it. Guys who are probably also hoping for the opportunity to be a head coach one day. Guys who watch the film and scheme things up that can the difference in winning and losing. Thats the only way to reconcile the mishandled onside kicks, and though he wont take credit for it because it's an offensive play, all the blocked extra points. The frequency in which we saw those things last season, didn't happen in any previous season he's coached at Montana, ever. So yeah, the "trendline turned downward last season."

Let me just throw this out at you for fun. I still maintain SEMO gagged, big time. They were all over a Montana team that didn't have an answer at the half, and I also maintain the reason for that was Montana came out flat. The comeback was the product of a couple of returns and the awakening of a sleepwalking team. In that second half, SEMO went flat, They were a big, fast team that wasn't intimidated by WaGriz, they just thought that one was over when they returned for the second half. The following week in Fargo, the Griz took a one point lead into half, and while that's not 21, being ahead in Fargo at any point is a significant accomplishment. They were running the ball as well, which I maintain they gave up on too soon because they were playing without their "Johnson." That said, what happened in that second half? They sure didn't manage to keep the fire lit, did they? So go ahead and praise the coaches when they adjust on the fly and a plan comes together, but it's also fair to level criticisms when they don't. What happened was the worn-down defense couldn't hold up and they went away from those things that made them successful in the first half, like running the damn ball. They were on the field an entire game longer than the offense this past season. And I'm not blaming any of those kids for anything. They played their guts out. But playing with the elite is hard if you're dinged up, worn out, and missing key players.

And finally, for Montana to do anything this season, and this has already been said, there needs to be credible offensive production. Every.single.game. Yards, points, and TOP so the defense doesn't play a whole game more than they should. You're absolutely right in the fact that you don't write off those elements of the game that get you wins. I'm hopeful that the specials return to the expected level of excellence, and even more so around finding an offensive scheme that allows the stars they have to shine. Anything less, and it will be another disappointing season. If that happens, that's squarely on Hauck, the head coach. If they can fix the things that are wrong, and they win, it's his triumph, because he's the head coach. Not because he's the special teams coach.

I agree with nearly all of what you said. Yes, of course he is the head coach. My comment was in response to other posters who were treating it as a net negative that we had great special teams play. That is part of Montana football, and part of how our team wins games.

Of course he is the head football coach, and a damn good one. Of course our offense needs to be more consistently productive. Nobody would disagree with that. We came out flat against SEMO and turned it around, yes. I didn't think we came out flat against ND in the second half, my memory is that a tackle was missed and they broke off a huge run and that seemed to gut our team, and we just never got our mojo back.

 

[3-7-77]

We are now going to hold it AGAINST Bobby Hauck that he is one of the best special teams coaches in the country? I'm sorry, what? That is absolutely a part of what makes Hauck a strong coach, especially at the FCS level. Not a lot of coaches are great at coaching special teams, and even most people whose job is to coordinate special teams thinks of it as a crappy assignment. We, thankfully, have a coach who embraces that part of the game and excels at it. We always have a strong punting game. We always have strong returners. And we always do a pretty good job in kick coverage. Those are part of winning a game, not something you just write off.

We beat SEMO. I don't see how you can hold a victory against us. For everyone saying we "came out flat," a person could point to the other side of the coin and say that the staff sure managed to fire up the team for the second half. All that matters is the end result of the game, which is why I have also been happy to admit that our trend line turned downward last season.

Calm yourself, Elrod. Consider the source of the statements made. If you repeat a lie often enough, is becomes the truth.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”--Joseph Goebbels

 

[SoldierGriz]

If teams who have 6th place conference finishes can't get players on all-American teams, how did the Griz get 4 first team All-Americans on its 6th place conference team after last season? Maybe because the dumbasses at Hero Sport don't pick the main all-American teams.

PR - where did you get 4x first team last year? Just curious.

https://fcsinsider.com/news/2022/12/20/football-2022-stats-perform-fcs-all-america-team

Bump. Please post site that named 4x Griz 1st Team AA last year. Thanks.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Take your pick. Hauck, Ford, Rohrback, O’Connell, Bergen, Grossman, Flowers. Grossman and Bergen were sophomore all-Americans. Rohrbach was the FCS punter of the year, and was a frosh all-American.

I have about 15 websites, if you want me to post them. But you can surely find them yourself.

 

[ElrodGrizzly]

PR - where did you get 4x first team last year? Just curious.

https://fcsinsider.com/news/2022/12/20/football-2022-stats-perform-fcs-all-america-team

Bump. Please post site that named 4x Griz 1st Team AA last year. Thanks.

I would guess that this is what he was referencing. It is including the guys named to the "sophomore All American Team" and the freshman one.

https://gogriz.com/news/2022/12/8/football-four-griz-named-hero-sports-all-americans

 

[mthoopsfan]

Bump. Please post site that named 4x Griz 1st Team AA last year. Thanks.

I would guess that this is what he was referencing. It is including the guys named to the "sophomore All American Team" and the freshman one.

https://gogriz.com/news/2022/12/8/football-four-griz-named-hero-sports-all-americans

There were at least 6 first team Americans. I settled with 4, including O'Connell as equal to the 3 frosh/soph. O'Connell was on my all-american team.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I would guess that this is what he was referencing. It is including the guys named to the "sophomore All American Team" and the freshman one.

https://gogriz.com/news/2022/12/8/football-four-griz-named-hero-sports-all-americans

There were at least 6 first team Americans. I settled with 4, including O'Connell as equal to the 3 frosh/soph. O'Connell was on my all-american team.

:roll:

 

[garizzalies]

There were at least 6 first team Americans. I settled with 4, including O'Connell as equal to the 3 frosh/soph. O'Connell was on my all-american team.

:roll:

You tug on Superman’s cape, he puts you in your place, and you roll your eyes like a 13yro girl.

You like to sound tough but really just soft as the worn cotton of your favorite No Fear t-shirt.

 

[SoldierGriz]

:roll:

You tug on Superman’s cape, he puts you in your place, and you roll your eyes like a 13yro girl.

You like to sound tough but really just soft as the worn cotton of your favorite No Fear t-shirt.

 

[garizzalies]

You tug on Superman’s cape, he puts you in your place, and you roll your eyes like a 13yro girl.

You like to sound tough but really just soft as the worn cotton of your favorite No Fear t-shirt.