Bison player suspended over banned substance

[CDAGRIZ]

I’ll agree with you CDA

IF the NCAA elects to investigate

and...

IF the NCAA decides Ben Newman is a booster

and...

IF the NCAA decides he gave an improper benefit

THEN NDSU could be in trouble


Quite a few “if’s” that need to transpire

Back in the year you graduated, I'd have 100% agreed. Now, that doesn't seem like a lot of ifs at all. I think the first one is all it would take. And PR is right that he wouldn't necessarily have to be a booster.

 

[PlayerRep]

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Here is an Outside Consultant agreement from USC. You may be interested in the second to last para above the signature line, sub (2).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...5/misc_non_event/14_15_Outside_Consultant.pdf

Again, nobody has said Newman did, just that the NCAA may be interested in whether he did, particularly when there are failed drug tests and heavy suspensions involved.

Bingo. You nailed that one. See below. Subsection 2. This 2011 guy obviously doesn't know that he's dealing with one of the top lawyers in southern CA and one of the best amateur comedians (o an athletic message board).

"In addition, I certify that (1) I am not an agent (e.g. sports agent, marketing agent or financial advisor to athletes) or any such agent’s employee, representative or affiliate (including “runners”), (2) I have not, and will not, arrange, provide or promise any benefits to any USC student-athlete or prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) or done so on behalf of anyone else, and (3) I have not, and will not, have any contact with any USC prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) while performing my job responsibilities as an outside consultant."

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

Nope but having a cousin who plays for the team and knowing several former players very well and working with one, I feel like I know a hell of a lot more than most, and especially more than Certified Dumb Ass does.

Yes, you probably do know more. However, I doubt that the university, and its formal or informal investigators, are telling the players and the locker room what they are doing and what they have found.

And, if the ncaa were to make an initial inquiry, I doubt that the university would disclose that or tell the players. In UM's situation, the ncaa has been investigating UM for 6 months before UM made a public announcement, and the investigation had been kept very quiet. I'm guessing I know more about UM's ncaa investigation and ncaa investigations in general than you do. Dp does CDA.

The NCAA elected to investigate UM due to very serious sexual assault allegations.

Not saying it is impossible, but I see very little likelihood the NCAA will investigate the fact some kid took too much caffeine and his mom bitched about how it was unfair that he didn’t listen to the rules established by the NCAA for the ingestion if caffeine.

The two situations between UM and NDSU are night and day different.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Here is an Outside Consultant agreement from USC. You may be interested in the second to last para above the signature line, sub (2).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...5/misc_non_event/14_15_Outside_Consultant.pdf

Again, nobody has said Newman did, just that the NCAA may be interested in whether he did, particularly when there are failed drug tests and heavy suspensions involved.

Bingo. You nailed that one. See below. Subsection 2. This 2011 guy obviously doesn't know that he's dealing with one of the top lawyers in southern CA and one of the best amateur comedians (o an athletic message board).

"In addition, I certify that (1) I am not an agent (e.g. sports agent, marketing agent or financial advisor to athletes) or any such agent’s employee, representative or affiliate (including “runners”), (2) I have not, and will not, arrange, provide or promise any benefits to any USC student-athlete or prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) or done so on behalf of anyone else, and (3) I have not, and will not, have any contact with any USC prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) while performing my job responsibilities as an outside consultant."

I already told you I get it.

What you are referencing is the same thing you already discussed and again, not one single person has stated Brock received an improper benefit.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Here is an Outside Consultant agreement from USC. You may be interested in the second to last para above the signature line, sub (2).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...5/misc_non_event/14_15_Outside_Consultant.pdf

Again, nobody has said Newman did, just that the NCAA may be interested in whether he did, particularly when there are failed drug tests and heavy suspensions involved.

Bingo. You nailed that one. See below. Subsection 2. This 2011 guy obviously doesn't know that he's dealing with one of the top lawyers in southern CA and one of the best amateur comedians (o an athletic message board).

"In addition, I certify that (1) I am not an agent (e.g. sports agent, marketing agent or financial advisor to athletes) or any such agent’s employee, representative or affiliate (including “runners”), (2) I have not, and will not, arrange, provide or promise any benefits to any USC student-athlete or prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) or done so on behalf of anyone else, and (3) I have not, and will not, have any contact with any USC prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) while performing my job responsibilities as an outside consultant."

Every ambulance chaser is right on everything. Just ask them.

I could show you something that was pink and you’d try to tell me it was black.

 

[garizzalies]

How do we know the PED is caffeine, and not say cocaine or some steroids? Has there been an official announcement? I thought the ncaa treated it all the same.

Because he did not test possitive for an illegal drug or steroids. That is why Brock and his mom came out with their story.

He was tested positive for a banned stimulant by the NCAA and Brock said the product he took was a pre-workout supplement which had the stimulant in it.

Because of the privacy laws, NDSU cannot say what he tested positive for. With that being said, it is widely known the product was this:

https://www.cleanvictorysupplements.com/products/stage-one-pre-workout

Caffeine is the stimulant in the workout supplement, as it is in almost every single preworkout supplement. The NCAA puts out warnings regarding the use of caffeine and warns that the average person should not consume more than 500mg within a 3-4 hour period (equivalent of 6 cups of coffee) as it will result in a positive test for stimulants. This particular workout supplement has 250mg in a serving.

In this case, Brock easily could have put two scoops into his shake instead of one and pissed hot.

So, no? Nothing official. Just you speculating, like all your other posts. Got it.

Thus, for all we know, this could be a steroid, and all your pontificating on caffeine has been hot air. Sounds about right.

 

[PlayerRep]

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

Nope but having a cousin who plays for the team and knowing several former players very well and working with one, I feel like I know a hell of a lot more than most, and especially more than Certified Dumb Ass does.

Yes, you probably do know more. However, I doubt that the university, and its formal or informal investigators, are telling the players and the locker room what they are doing and what they have found.

And, if the ncaa were to make an initial inquiry, I doubt that the university would disclose that or tell the players. In UM's situation, the ncaa has been investigating UM for 6 months before UM made a public announcement, and the investigation had been kept very quiet. I'm guessing I know more about UM's ncaa investigation and ncaa investigations in general than you do. Dp does CDA.

The NCAA elected to investigate UM due to very serious sexual assault allegations.

Not saying it is impossible, but I see very little likelihood the NCAA will investigate the fact some kid took too much caffeine and his mom bitched about how it was unfair that he didn’t listen to the rules established by the NCAA for the ingestion if caffeine.

The two situations between UM and NDSU are night and day different.

No, the ncaa didn't ever investigate UM over any sexual assault allegation or situation. You really are an idiot. It started and ended with alleged improper benefits, of minuscule amounts, relating to the taser incident.

 

[PlayerRep]

Just looked at his twitter account and he has re-tweeted stuff from all of his clients.

How do you know what he was allowed to do and not do on other campuses? Where you in the locker room or do you personally know anyone who played for a university where he spoke on campus?

I know you like to think you are an expert but you aren’t. One week ago, you had no f***[*] clue who Ben Newman was lol.

You still suggesting something that nobody else is. Not a single person has stated he provided free and reduced supplements.

Here is an Outside Consultant agreement from USC. You may be interested in the second to last para above the signature line, sub (2).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools...5/misc_non_event/14_15_Outside_Consultant.pdf

Again, nobody has said Newman did, just that the NCAA may be interested in whether he did, particularly when there are failed drug tests and heavy suspensions involved.

Bingo. You nailed that one. See below. Subsection 2. This 2011 guy obviously doesn't know that he's dealing with one of the top lawyers in southern CA and one of the best amateur comedians (o an athletic message board).

"In addition, I certify that (1) I am not an agent (e.g. sports agent, marketing agent or financial advisor to athletes) or any such agent’s employee, representative or affiliate (including “runners”), (2) I have not, and will not, arrange, provide or promise any benefits to any USC student-athlete or prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) or done so on behalf of anyone else, and (3) I have not, and will not, have any contact with any USC prospective student-athlete (or their relatives or friends) while performing my job responsibilities as an outside consultant."

Every ambulance chaser is right on everything. Just ask them.

I could show you something that was pink and you’d try to tell me it was black.

What an idiot. You think all lawyers are ambulance chasers.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

How do we know the PED is caffeine, and not say cocaine or some steroids? Has there been an official announcement? I thought the ncaa treated it all the same.

Because he did not test possitive for an illegal drug or steroids. That is why Brock and his mom came out with their story.

He was tested positive for a banned stimulant by the NCAA and Brock said the product he took was a pre-workout supplement which had the stimulant in it.

Because of the privacy laws, NDSU cannot say what he tested positive for. With that being said, it is widely known the product was this:

https://www.cleanvictorysupplements.com/products/stage-one-pre-workout

Caffeine is the stimulant in the workout supplement, as it is in almost every single preworkout supplement. The NCAA puts out warnings regarding the use of caffeine and warns that the average person should not consume more than 500mg within a 3-4 hour period (equivalent of 6 cups of coffee) as it will result in a positive test for stimulants. This particular workout supplement has 250mg in a serving.

In this case, Brock easily could have put two scoops into his shake instead of one and pissed hot.

Do they not teach math at NDSU? For a 250 mg pre-workout supplement taken pre-game to test at 500+ mgs, when the half life is 4 hours, means at least 4 scoops. This guy was really trying to rev the motor for the game. Maybe we should ask Lance Armstrong if this is an attempt to cheat? They do this to improve their performance and for no other reason.

I want to know why the most dominant program the last 10 years has players that feel they have to do this to win? Last time I saw this type of confidence in the outcome of an upcoming contest G. Gordon Liddy was breaking into a psych's Watergate office.

 

[MissoulaMarinerFan]

I've seen a few times that the supplement itself isn't banned. I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean that ingredients that make up the supplement aren't banned (unless they're over a certain amount).

As a former collegiate athlete (early 2000's), there were quite a few generic cough syrups that you couldn't take because they had over the allowable amount of whatever made up said cough syrup. The cough syrup itself wasn't banned - you just had to watch your ass about what was in said cough syrup - or at least, that is how it was explained to me.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

How do we know the PED is caffeine, and not say cocaine or some steroids? Has there been an official announcement? I thought the ncaa treated it all the same.

Because he did not test possitive for an illegal drug or steroids. That is why Brock and his mom came out with their story.

He was tested positive for a banned stimulant by the NCAA and Brock said the product he took was a pre-workout supplement which had the stimulant in it.

Because of the privacy laws, NDSU cannot say what he tested positive for. With that being said, it is widely known the product was this:

https://www.cleanvictorysupplements.com/products/stage-one-pre-workout

Caffeine is the stimulant in the workout supplement, as it is in almost every single preworkout supplement. The NCAA puts out warnings regarding the use of caffeine and warns that the average person should not consume more than 500mg within a 3-4 hour period (equivalent of 6 cups of coffee) as it will result in a positive test for stimulants. This particular workout supplement has 250mg in a serving.

In this case, Brock easily could have put two scoops into his shake instead of one and pissed hot.

Again....were not debating whether or not the substance should be banned....were talking about how big of ass hats the NCAA is, and how theyll decide to jack this up. They could say screw it, not a big deal, everyone carry on. Orrrr they could do what they frequently do, and treat this like the kid murdered someone, and see what type of money and problems they can suck out of the predominant program in the FCS. They love to send irrelevant messages.

Does the NCAA differentiate between banned substances. Like do they treat steroids worse than caffeine?

One failed drug test and a mom bitching because her son didn’t know how to follow the directions established by the NCAA for consuming caffeine does not equate to an NCAA investigation.

Sorry.

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

Dude we had a player eat a free hotdog and the NCAA went ape shit...have you not heard of the NCAA?

 

[tourist]

Evidently, this is Intermission time. God, what a break. I've lost my program, and need a clarification on the characters and plot twists presented later in the 13th page of this saga. Let's see, there are now "ambulance chasers,...G. Gordon Liddy,...Lance Armstrong,...'a top lawyer' and 'comedian',...[the colors] 'pink' and 'black',...and 'the USC'."

Life has reminded me of movies I have seen, over the years. One movie , particularly relates to the last few posts. Perhaps you'll remember the scene from "Murder By Death." Lionel Twain(Truman Capote) chastises his 'guest' writers with the following:

"You've tricked and fooled your readers for years. You've tortured us all with surprise endings that made no sense. You've introduced characters in the last five pages that were never in the book before. You've withheld clues and information that made it impossible for us to guess who did it."

Please think of your readers, especially those of us loyal readers over the years, when posting. Thanks.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Were you in the locker room? Did you see the supplement in question being given by someone to the player, and did you see where the product came from? I.e. were you in the chain of comment.

Sorry, buddy, but some of your arguments can just be thrown back in your face.

Nope but having a cousin who plays for the team and knowing several former players very well and working with one, I feel like I know a hell of a lot more than most, and especially more than Certified Dumb Ass does.

Yes, you probably do know more. However, I doubt that the university, and its formal or informal investigators, are telling the players and the locker room what they are doing and what they have found.

And, if the ncaa were to make an initial inquiry, I doubt that the university would disclose that or tell the players. In UM's situation, the ncaa has been investigating UM for 6 months before UM made a public announcement, and the investigation had been kept very quiet. I'm guessing I know more about UM's ncaa investigation and ncaa investigations in general than you do. Dp does CDA.

The NCAA elected to investigate UM due to very serious sexual assault allegations.

Not saying it is impossible, but I see very little likelihood the NCAA will investigate the fact some kid took too much caffeine and his mom bitched about how it was unfair that he didn’t listen to the rules established by the NCAA for the ingestion if caffeine.

The two situations between UM and NDSU are night and day different.

That is not what happened. The NCAA did not investigate UM in relation to any sexual assault allegations, they were investigated over improper benefits, and our Limp Dick President at the time rolled over and took it.

 

[horribilisfan8184]

Evidently, this is Intermission time. God, what a break. I've lost my program, and need a clarification on the characters and plot twists presented later in the 13th page of this saga. Let's see, there are now "ambulance chasers,...G. Gordon Liddy,...Lance Armstrong,...'a top lawyer' and 'comedian',...[the colors] 'pink' and 'black',...and 'the USC'."

Life has reminded me of movies I have seen, over the years. One movie , particularly relates to the last few posts. Perhaps you'll remember the scene from "Murder By Death." Lionel Twain(Truman Capote) chastises his 'guest' writers with the following:

"You've tricked and fooled your readers for years. You've tortured us all with surprise endings that made no sense. You've introduced characters in the last five pages that were never in the book before. You've withheld clues and information that made it impossible for us to guess who did it."

Please think of your readers, especially those of us loyal readers over the years, when posting. Thanks.

If you are suggesting it is possible to color within the lines, let me just say this place is more like multi player scrabble, where everyone is just waiting for a chance to turn "ouch" into "douchebag"

 

[tourist]

That helps, thanks. Just reading along when, sometime after "ambulance chaser," the Capote scene popped into my head. Kinda like pissin' on a fire, then wondering if the fire was electrically caused. Inject some humor, and see if that helps. BTW, that's a lot of potential Scrabble points.

 

[YttriumGriz39]

And again, egriz and your conspiracy theorists are the only people suggesting the players of NDSU received an illegal benefit.

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

https://www.bennewman.net/ben-in-sports/

He seems to promote the Bizon on his homepage so...

 

[RayWill]

And again, nobody has said the players received an improper benefit. Only IF Newman gave the kids the juice for free or at a discount, the NCAA could easily determine that it was an improper benefit. Like, IF you weren't an idiot, you'd understand the difference.

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

https://www.bennewman.net/ben-in-sports/

He seems to promote the Bizon on his homepage so...

From what I understand this line from his website alone makes him a booster

he is the Performance Coach for the record setting 5-straight Division I National Football Champion North Dakota State Bison

 

[horribilisfan8184]

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

https://www.bennewman.net/ben-in-sports/

He seems to promote the Bizon on his homepage so...

From what I understand this line from his website alone makes him a booster

he is the supplement enhanced Performance Coach for the record setting 5-straight Division I National Football Champion North Dakota State Bison

FIFY Let's be precise for 2011.

 

[tourist]

Discussion on this topic by the main three seems to have disappeared like a fart in the wind about noon yesterday. What happened? That is not how to get to 17 pages. Second string, next UP!

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

That’s based on the premise he is a booster for NDSU, which I don’t agree with you that he is.

If he’s a booster for NDSU, he’s a booster for the University of Iowa, Creighton, Wake Forest, University of Nebraska, University of Missouri, Alabama, Clemson , K State etc etc

All universities where he has done performance speaking.

He has definitely been "otherwise" involved in promoting university athletics. Did he promote Bizon Football on Twitter? Cross promote with his own brand? Did he ever point to Bizon success in promoting himself? If not, giving a free or discounted anything to any player could likely be enough in and of itself to make him a booster. You can become a booster and give an improper benefit in one action.

As for the other schools: You're exactly right, and he wasn't allowed to give free samples, donuts, pop-tarts, hotdogs, or discounts on anything to those players, let alone his own supplement that triggers a PED violation.

https://www.bennewman.net/ben-in-sports/

He seems to promote the Bizon on his homepage so...

From what I understand this line from his website alone makes him a booster

he is the Performance Coach for the record setting 5-straight Division I National Football Champion North Dakota State Bison

Hes on the sidelines, at practices, talking in pre and post games wearing Beezon polos..... he looks like a coach to me.