Bison - loaded again

[CDAGRIZ]

Thought this was going to be about baked potatoes.
I don't care much for the endzone dancing fans from UND-Fargo. Their level of insecurity is pretty hilarious, though.

see you still can't get enough of ndsu. Chirping in on every post. Pot calling kettle.

Which website is this? Oh, that's right: eGriz.com
Thanks for stopping by.

and yet another thread started about ndsu, by a griz fan. That's all.

Thanks so much for stopping by to monitor which threads are started on eGriz.com. Your need for approval is duly noted. I think you will respond, and get into a spat about the UND T-Buffs on eGriz.com.

 

[Zirg]

NDSU has always been a Minnesota-heavy team. Minnesota is a 1-AA treasure trove. You have a state with 5 times the population of Montana but with no 1-AA teams and the only 1-A school barely makes a dent. Irregardless of how good or (usually) poor the Gophers are, they recruit Michigan and Florida and Ohio and Illinois more than they do Minnesota. There are dozens and dozens of overlooked players in Minnesota. All 4 of the Dakota teams (and Northern Iowa) usually have lots of Minnesotans. MSU use to recruit Minnesota heavily in the Salomanson (former NDSU coach) era too, but Montana has never tried to tap into this goldmine that is paying off for many of our rivals.


33 Minnesotans on the 2018 NDSU roster,btw.

 

[Hawkeyebowhunter]

NDSU has always been a Minnesota-heavy team. Minnesota is a 1-AA treasure trove. You have a state with 5 times the population of Montana but with no 1-AA teams and the only 1-A school barely makes a dent. Irregardless of how good or (usually) poor the Gophers are, they recruit Michigan and Florida and Ohio and Illinois more than they do Minnesota. There are dozens and dozens of overlooked players in Minnesota. All 4 of the Dakota teams (and Northern Iowa) usually have lots of Minnesotans. MSU use to recruit Minnesota heavily in the Salomanson (former NDSU coach) era too, but Montana has never tried to tap into this goldmine that is paying off for many of our rivals.


33 Minnesotans on the 2018 NDSU roster,btw.

As a Hawk fan, f*ck the goofer's and that nose picker of a coach they have.

Somehow Iowa has 2 D1 schools, whereas states with a significantly higher population (Minnesota and Wisconsin) only have 1. Makes it tough, as Iowa isn't exactly a recruiting hotbed.

NDSU does things the right way. The LOS is dominated. QB's protecting the ball and a hungry defense. Even if Klieman does leave, name 1 FCS high level assistant who wouldn't want to go there for a few years to either keep the train going, or put a few titles behind their name in the hopes of lobbying for an FBS coordinator job...

 

[fanofzoo]

F*UCK the bison

 

[4theluvofgriz]

If it ain't broke then don't fix it. The Griz could learn from that. Hauck moved on and Pfluffy decided he knew better. Then somewhat back to Coach Delaney. Coach Delaney retires and Haslam hears about a good offense and hires the Stitt show.
Meanwhile I imaging some of the players and many fans were think what's next during those years.
I have said before that I think the Griz need to decide what brand of football is played at the University of Montana. Then set a course and stick with it.
It's like a business plan, a construction blueprint, a medical care plan. Decide what the hell it is and stay the course but allow for minor plan amendments if needed.

Honest question (because it’s been 9 years and I don’t remember): Who (on or off Hauck’s ‘09 staff) would have been that “Kielman” guy who would have kept it going without blowing it up and going an entirely different direction like Pflu did?

The success of NDSU is more about the system than it is about Kleiman. Is he a great coach? Hell yes he is. But there are many head coaches who could have inherited that program and produced the same results. Success begets success, just like our 4 Griz head coaches (Read, Dennehy,Glenn, & Hauck) who inherited great rosters and kept the dynasty going.

I’ll be honest I don’t follow NDSU football closely enough to know whether Kielman changed the “system” or by how much. My question was more related to the poster I was responding to, who felt that UM needed to determine a style and stick with it, regardless of who the coach was...Obviously the style here shifted dramatically from Read to Dennehy to Glenn to Hauck, so I’m not sure that the argument is even logical....we saw 25 years of unprecedented success for four different schemes...sure the changes were maybe fairly subtle at first, but certainly not by the time BH’s first tenure came to an end. His later teams looked nothing like Read’s or Denneny’s....

Ultimately it's all about the athletes, and not the system, with the exception that an offense like Stitt's with no running game will never be the answer. If you can't run the ball, you will never beat the top FCS teams in the playoffs. During our dynasty years, we always had more All-Conference type players than any other Big Sky team. But, an often-missed reason why we were better was our depth. While most FCS teams had big drop-offs in talent level with their reserves, Montana went two and often three-deep with talented players at most positions. So, when the inevitable injuries happened to all conference teams, the talent differences became even greater, giving us huge advantages as the season progressed. That is not a factor on our current roster. We no longer dominate the all-conference teams, and our depth is just not there any longer. Bobby will fix that in time.

 

[NativeGriz]

If it ain't broke then don't fix it. The Griz could learn from that. Hauck moved on and Pfluffy decided he knew better. Then somewhat back to Coach Delaney. Coach Delaney retires and Haslam hears about a good offense and hires the Stitt show.
Meanwhile I imaging some of the players and many fans were think what's next during those years.
I have said before that I think the Griz need to decide what brand of football is played at the University of Montana. Then set a course and stick with it.
It's like a business plan, a construction blueprint, a medical care plan. Decide what the hell it is and stay the course but allow for minor plan amendments if needed.

Honest question (because it’s been 9 years and I don’t remember): Who (on or off Hauck’s ‘09 staff) would have been that “Kielman” guy who would have kept it going without blowing it up and going an entirely different direction like Pflu did?

The success of NDSU is more about the system than it is about Kleiman. Is he a great coach? Hell yes he is. But there are many head coaches who could have inherited that program and produced the same results. Success begets success, just like our 4 Griz head coaches (Read, Dennehy,Glenn, & Hauck) who inherited great rosters and kept the dynasty going.

I’ll be honest I don’t follow NDSU football closely enough to know whether Kielman changed the “system” or by how much. My question was more related to the poster I was responding to, who felt that UM needed to determine a style and stick with it, regardless of who the coach was...Obviously the style here shifted dramatically from Read to Dennehy to Glenn to Hauck, so I’m not sure that the argument is even logical....we saw 25 years of unprecedented success for four different schemes...sure the changes were maybe fairly subtle at first, but certainly not by the time BH’s first tenure came to an end. His later teams looked nothing like Read’s or Denneny’s....

I partially agree except Read to Dennehy was no change. Dennehy to Glenn, not a lot of change after they dumped the first OC Glenn hired. Glenn to Hauck was a big change, but Hauck did an amazing job of recruiting his first year and he had a good coaching staff. After that we had a huge change in style every time and every time the new coach tried to run his O using players recruited for the old style instead of slowly changing using the strength of the current players. I think Phlu was on his way to being a UM coaching legend until RE got involved. Personally I love Hauck (though not his DC pick) coming back, but I do not predict a lot of first year success this time around. I will consider it a good year if we break 500.
As for Bison, I 100% agree, they, like EWU benefit in a big way recruiting near/in states with large populations with much less competition.

 

[CamCam79]

The question is what will make it end?

Usually special runs like North Dakota State's have pivotal characters like star quarterbacks or stud linemen with peerless leadership skills or a head coach with no rival.

Consider though that North Dakota State replaced QB Brock Jensen with Carson Wentz and replaced Wentz with Easton Stick, the No. 1 FCS draft prospect for 2019. NDSU has replaced it's All-American linemen with more All-American lineman. Craig Bohl leaves for Wyoming, yet Chris Klieman still keeps piling up national championships. If losing your coach and your pillar players the program is built on does not derail you, what will?

Massive scandal.

Not holding up your end of the deal you made with the devil.

A shortage of Tatertot hotdish. :lol:

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

NDSU has always been a Minnesota-heavy team. Minnesota is a 1-AA treasure trove. You have a state with 5 times the population of Montana but with no 1-AA teams and the only 1-A school barely makes a dent. Irregardless of how good or (usually) poor the Gophers are, they recruit Michigan and Florida and Ohio and Illinois more than they do Minnesota. There are dozens and dozens of overlooked players in Minnesota. All 4 of the Dakota teams (and Northern Iowa) usually have lots of Minnesotans. MSU use to recruit Minnesota heavily in the Salomanson (former NDSU coach) era too, but Montana has never tried to tap into this goldmine that is paying off for many of our rivals.


33 Minnesotans on the 2018 NDSU roster,btw.

Well to be fair it isn’t just the football team but a university as a whole. Many kids come to NDSU from Minnesota and play because their grandparents, parents, aunts or uncles went to school there. 46% of the enrolled students are from Minnesota as opposed to 41% from North Dakota.

Sure is a big advantage to the football team. Minnesota has a lot of talent and players from there seem to buy into the brand of football NDSU offers.

I also think academics is a big part of the equation. NDSU seems to recruit players who can handle the mental side of the game. The defensive schemes employed at NDSU are complex and require a lot of discipline. Offensively, the west coast/power/pro scheme NDSU runs is also mentally demanding, especially for the QB and lineman. The engineering programs at NDSU are truly top notch as are the AG programs and we have landed some great guys because of it. Joe Haeg, lineman for the Colts, comes to mind as he chose a walk on at NDSU primarily because of their engineering program.

Overall though it is scheme. Just recruiting tough guys to play a style of football that has proven to be the most effective in terms of winning games. Run the ball, play defense and control the clock. Most college programs don’t do this.

 

[garizzalies]

There’s that phrase again: “AG Program.”

We hear the same thing from Cat People.

Do farmers seriously need to be taught how to spread shit around?

 

[garizzalies]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

I've said this for years. There is literally a track that steers the train. I don't think they even have to shovel coal anymore.

 

[garizzalies]

They don’t anymore!
Not only is it on tracks, but some computer can drive it from anywhere on the earth.
As far as I can tell, the only thing the engineer does is honk the horn, but he even sucks at that because I’m alway pantomiming for him to let out a toot when he flies by, and he usually fails and waves instead, thinking he’s returning the gesture. So dumb

 

[Silenoz]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

I've said this for years. There is literally a track that steers the train. I don't think they even have to shovel coal anymore.

Bring back more coal trains. MAGA.

 

[EverettGriz]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

I've said this for years. There is literally a track that steers the train. I don't think they even have to shovel coal anymore.

Yeah, that ain't coal they're shoveling from that "pond" out back.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

I've said this for years. There is literally a track that steers the train. I don't think they even have to shovel coal anymore.

Yeah, that ain't coal they're shoveling from that "pond" out back.

Trophy browns.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

There’s that phrase again: “AG Program.”

We hear the same thing from Cat People.

Do farmers seriously need to be taught how to spread shit around?

Yes pretty evolving field and you certainly have a competitive edge in the areas of Ag Systems Management, AG Engineering, AG Econ. Several large companies, ADM, Cargill, DuPont recruit students at NDSU for careers outside of “spreading shit” and offer extremely high salaries.

I’ll just say this. Liberal arts degrees are next to worthless in today’s society. Unless you have money from mommy and daddy, it simply makes next to zero sense, financially speaking, to get a degree in communications, journalism etc versus going into a high demand field like nursing, pharmacy and engineering.

My two cents. If UM offered degrees in fields that matter, it would have a booming enrollment because the campus is georgeous and the community of Missoula, combined with geographic area, is great.

 

[MTGRZ]

There’s that phrase again: “AG Program.”

We hear the same thing from Cat People.

Do farmers seriously need to be taught how to spread shit around?

Yes pretty evolving field and you certainly have a competitive edge in the areas of Ag Systems Management, AG Engineering, AG Econ. Several large companies, ADM, Cargill, DuPont recruit students at NDSU for careers outside of “spreading shit” and offer extremely high salaries.

I’ll just say this. Liberal arts degrees are next to worthless in today’s society. Unless you have money from mommy and daddy, it simply makes next to zero sense, financially speaking, to get a degree in communications, journalism etc versus going into a high demand field like nursing, pharmacy and engineering.

You're not wrong....but you're not right.

 

[2011BisonAlumni]

There’s that phrase again: “AG Program.”

We hear the same thing from Cat People.

Do farmers seriously need to be taught how to spread shit around?

Yes pretty evolving field and you certainly have a competitive edge in the areas of Ag Systems Management, AG Engineering, AG Econ. Several large companies, ADM, Cargill, DuPont recruit students at NDSU for careers outside of “spreading shit” and offer extremely high salaries.

I’ll just say this. Liberal arts degrees are next to worthless in today’s society. Unless you have money from mommy and daddy, it simply makes next to zero sense, financially speaking, to get a degree in communications, journalism etc versus going into a high demand field like nursing, pharmacy and engineering.

You're not wrong....but you're not right.

Ha well done! That liberal arts education shows well!

Isn’t anything against UM. Georgeous campus. Great college town.....but if I’m paying for my own education, I’m going to look into a field where my education pays off immediately. I know UM has a good B school and strong science programs but outside of that, what is the allure academically? Journalism and communication? Save your money...

 

[garizzalies]

There’s that phrase again: “AG Program.”

We hear the same thing from Cat People.

Do farmers seriously need to be taught how to spread shit around?

Yes pretty evolving field and you certainly have a competitive edge in the areas of Ag Systems Management, AG Engineering, AG Econ. Several large companies, ADM, Cargill, DuPont recruit students at NDSU for careers outside of “spreading shit” and offer extremely high salaries.

So it’s like a business school on farmer’s_only.com

 

[Yukon]

And I don’t understand why undsu’ers and cat people are so proud of “engineering” degrees. I mean come on, the trains practically drive themselves

I've said this for years. There is literally a track that steers the train. I don't think they even have to shovel coal anymore.

Bring back more coal trains. MAGA.

got one down here in Colorado (However, it did just cause a 54,000 acre fire)