runtheoption said:
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An extra helping* of cheese curds for Mr. Option today!
*One "Midwest helping", roughly equivalent to the volume of a large mixing bowl.
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An extra helping* of cheese curds for Mr. Option today!
*One "Midwest helping", roughly equivalent to the volume of a large mixing bowl.
Blgs Griz Fan
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tourist said:
If it ain't broke then don't fix it. The Griz could learn from that. Hauck moved on and Pfluffy decided he knew better. Then somewhat back to Coach Delaney. Coach Delaney retires and Haslam hears about a good offense and hires the Stitt show.
Meanwhile I imaging some of the players and many fans were think what's next during those years.
I have said before that I think the Griz need to decide what brand of football is played at the University of Montana. Then set a course and stick with it.
It's like a business plan, a construction blueprint, a medical care plan. Decide what the hell it is and stay the course but allow for minor plan amendments if needed.
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Bisonfanatical
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One of the best posts I have read ... anywhere ... in a long time.
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runtheoption said:
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You are Montana, you hired Bob Stitt, and you are wondering where things went wrong? That was a huge mistake from day one that was very obvious to anyone paying attention. That would be like NDSU hiring chip kelly . . . A complete 180 in the style of football that your brand is known for.
4theluvofgriz
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Herd said:
While you are right about our hiring of Bob Stitt (but don't try telling that to AZGrizFan cause Stitt still lives in his head), the first gaff was hiring a retired old career position coach for a year on an interim basis to "provide stability" to our program, completing the ruination by granting his wishes to keep coaching the team for two more seasons. By the time he left, after his three seasons of poor recruiting, the program was well on its way South when fly-sweep Bob was hired to finish our demise.
There was no need to hire Delaney as an interim head coach. We should have conducted a national search and hired a solid young FBS assistant coach. If we had done so, I believe we would be back dominating our conference again by now, and looking forward to trying to unseat your Bison as national champions.
Blgs Griz Fan said:
Honest question (because it’s been 9 years and I don’t remember): Who (on or off Hauck’s ‘09 staff) would have been that “Kielman” guy who would have kept it going without blowing it up and going an entirely different direction like Pflu did?
As I recall, there were not a few eGrizzers glad to see BH go. They were tired of his "dull" football style and losing two NC games. They were hollering for a return to the "Air Read" era, and were happy with the style that Pflu brought in. Pflu was a successful coach here. I think if he had not been fired, the Griz would have dominated with the open, finesse style of Pflu, rather than BH's power style. IOW, I think the UM program would have continued & even improved under Pflu's style.
But, of course, that all got torpedoed & the Griz have been swirling around since, unclear what style they want, or even if they were aware of any styles at all, to select from. I don't think style selection was as important as bringing in a coach to return to program stability, whatever the style.
A previous post nailed the program's problem: be like NDSU, go w/ a style & stick w/ it, but despite BH's early naysayers, I believe his power style is similar to NDSU's. Ok, "dull" games, but now it's all about winning & I believe MT, in hiring BH, must commit to the same style that produced all the wins of that era. When I say commit, I mean in perpetuity, like NDSU.
But, of course, that all got torpedoed & the Griz have been swirling around since, unclear what style they want, or even if they were aware of any styles at all, to select from. I don't think style selection was as important as bringing in a coach to return to program stability, whatever the style.
A previous post nailed the program's problem: be like NDSU, go w/ a style & stick w/ it, but despite BH's early naysayers, I believe his power style is similar to NDSU's. Ok, "dull" games, but now it's all about winning & I believe MT, in hiring BH, must commit to the same style that produced all the wins of that era. When I say commit, I mean in perpetuity, like NDSU.
Hammersmith
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IMO, the answer to the original question is different than anything that's been posted. I don't think it will be a scandal. NDSU had a couple of those about a decade back, and I think the institutional memory is still clear enough to not let the program make the same mistakes. A new president that is a strong academic could do it, but I think watching UND struggle with one of those not too long ago will keep the decision-makers from that mistake. And a president that respects the role of athletics at a school like NDSU will make the right choice of AD, who will make the right choice of head coach.
The more realistic reasons for a collapse, I think, are the following, from least likely to most. First, state politics. ND is most definitely a small state, and politics get more petty as the stakes decrease(doubt that? check out small town politics; you won't believe how stupid and petty they can get). NDSU has been caught in the political crossfire before, and it could happen again. Much of the population, money and power in the state is focused in Fargo, and that torks off some legislators that represent the western part of the state. Add in that ND is very much a red state, and it seems like a big chunk of the red party here seems to be anti-education or at least anti-higher-ed educators. But I don't really think it will go this way.
More likely, an FBS move. The doors are closed for the moment, but things could change in the future. A couple years back it was looking possible, but there wasn't enough movement at the P5 level to cause a big enough shakeup to reach NDSU's level. I'm not seeing anything on the horizon that could change things, but I'm no expert, and I don't care enough to become one.
I think the most likely scenario doesn't come from NDSU or even other programs. I think it will come from society. If the science on CTE comes back the way I think it will, NDSU will be forced to change more than most. We are proud of the type of smash-mouth football we play over here, but I was just re-watching some games and I looked at them through the lens of brain safety. I didn't like what I saw. NDSU tries to wear you down by smashing your line again and again until you physically and mentally break. I think it will be that repetitive, small/medium impact that will shown to cause the worst damage. When society tries to change football to make it safer, the changes to the game will hit NDSU right in our strengths. I suspect NDSU will cope and change with the times, but I also suspect other programs will cope and change faster because the new form of football will be closer to what they already play than what NDSU does. But this is just my opinion.
The more realistic reasons for a collapse, I think, are the following, from least likely to most. First, state politics. ND is most definitely a small state, and politics get more petty as the stakes decrease(doubt that? check out small town politics; you won't believe how stupid and petty they can get). NDSU has been caught in the political crossfire before, and it could happen again. Much of the population, money and power in the state is focused in Fargo, and that torks off some legislators that represent the western part of the state. Add in that ND is very much a red state, and it seems like a big chunk of the red party here seems to be anti-education or at least anti-higher-ed educators. But I don't really think it will go this way.
More likely, an FBS move. The doors are closed for the moment, but things could change in the future. A couple years back it was looking possible, but there wasn't enough movement at the P5 level to cause a big enough shakeup to reach NDSU's level. I'm not seeing anything on the horizon that could change things, but I'm no expert, and I don't care enough to become one.
I think the most likely scenario doesn't come from NDSU or even other programs. I think it will come from society. If the science on CTE comes back the way I think it will, NDSU will be forced to change more than most. We are proud of the type of smash-mouth football we play over here, but I was just re-watching some games and I looked at them through the lens of brain safety. I didn't like what I saw. NDSU tries to wear you down by smashing your line again and again until you physically and mentally break. I think it will be that repetitive, small/medium impact that will shown to cause the worst damage. When society tries to change football to make it safer, the changes to the game will hit NDSU right in our strengths. I suspect NDSU will cope and change with the times, but I also suspect other programs will cope and change faster because the new form of football will be closer to what they already play than what NDSU does. But this is just my opinion.
4theluvofgriz
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AZGrizFan said:
The success of NDSU is more about the system than it is about Kleiman. Is he a great coach? Hell yes he is. But there are many head coaches who could have inherited that program and produced the same results. Success begets success, just like our 4 Griz head coaches (Read, Dennehy,Glenn, & Hauck) who inherited great rosters and kept the dynasty going.
2011BisonAlumni
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RayWill said:
Easy
1.) Players tend to enjoy playing for programs that win and over the past 50 years, very few teams have won as much as NDSU.
2.) NDSU, as an academic institution, is very strong.
3.) The FM area is a great college community. Three universities within a few miles from each other. Fantastic downtown scene.
4theluvofgriz said:
I’ll be honest I don’t follow NDSU football closely enough to know whether Kielman changed the “system” or by how much. My question was more related to the poster I was responding to, who felt that UM needed to determine a style and stick with it, regardless of who the coach was...Obviously the style here shifted dramatically from Read to Dennehy to Glenn to Hauck, so I’m not sure that the argument is even logical....we saw 25 years of unprecedented success for four different schemes...sure the changes were maybe fairly subtle at first, but certainly not by the time BH’s first tenure came to an end. His later teams looked nothing like Read’s or Denneny’s....
